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Liberal_Stalwart71

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117. I'm so sick of this shit! This entire thread and threads like it don't mean SHIT!!!

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 05:37 AM

Nov 2013

We need a Congress packed full of PROGRESSIVE Democrats in BOTH chambers!!!

Hillary! Liz!! They won't mean shit if we don't have progressive Democrats in Congress!!

My God, DU!! Haven't you learned a goddamned thing in the last 5 years other than just bashing the president? Haven't you seen why he can't get shit done?!? Few progressive policies? No closing of Gitmo? No immigration policies? Hello??

Why the hell are we contemplating about Hillary and Elizabeth when we need to be focusing ALL of our energy on 2014 and taking back the House? Retaining the Senate? State legislatures? Governorships?

I don't hear the Teabaggers and ReThugs creaming themselves too much over 2016!!! They are focused!! They are obsessed with 2014!!!

FOR GODSSAKES!!! WHY ARE WE NOT MORE FOCUSED ON 2014?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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I'd prefer to see Elizabeth Warren as our next president. But if Hillary Clinton [View all] Cal33 Nov 2013 OP

Elizabeth Warren will not be running for president warrior1 Nov 2013 #1

What is funny is that whenever there is a Warren for president thread, this lie... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #4

It's not a lie...it's an informed analysis brooklynite Nov 2013 #20

"Secret letter" or not and whether she said she will not run - both are of no regard to me mazzarro Nov 2013 #23

I don't think encouraging allies to run rules out you will run as well NoOneMan Nov 2013 #24

First - it's NOT three years out.. brooklynite Nov 2013 #27

Im not pushing anything. Im annoyed at the whole Warren supports Hillary lie NoOneMan Nov 2013 #32

Warren supports Hillary nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #75

Warren encouraged Hillary to run. We have no idea who she wants to win the candidacy NoOneMan Nov 2013 #82

Im gonna guess she wants the person she is encouraging to run to win. nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #134

Why? And why is that the only person you think she wants to run? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #136

well I can think of a few reasons to encourage a person to run for office arely staircase Nov 2013 #137

Did you ever think that having a variety of candidates that represent different views... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #139

i don't think we should just give it to anyone arely staircase Nov 2013 #140

Warren really had no other choice than to support when it was put to her, did she? Whisp Nov 2013 #105

sure she did arely staircase Nov 2013 #135

The letter is no longer secret since its existence has been leaked. MADem Nov 2013 #31

"so you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?", SEN. OBAMA: "I will not." NoOneMan Nov 2013 #34

Oh please--for shame! You can read as well as I can, and you have been disingenuous. MADem Nov 2013 #39

"I am not running for president in four years. I am not running for president in 2008" - Obama NoOneMan Nov 2013 #40

Again--show me the letter Obama signed endorsing another candidate. MADem Nov 2013 #43

Show me the letter Warren signed endorsing another candidate NoOneMan Nov 2013 #45

When you encourage someone to run, that's an endorsement. You can pretend it isn't, but it is. MADem Nov 2013 #49

I guess one of us is in pretend land NoOneMan Nov 2013 #50

You don't have to reply to the same post more than once. MADem Nov 2013 #64

Ok, but instead of saying Warren endorse Clinton, you should say you bet she will NoOneMan Nov 2013 #68

She signed that letter. MADem Nov 2013 #69

The lie isn't about whether she signed it, but that signing a secret encouragement is an endorsment NoOneMan Nov 2013 #70

It's an informal endorsement, as I said. You can't formally endorse a person until MADem Nov 2013 #71

An endorsement is a public announcement by definition NoOneMan Nov 2013 #73

Look, you can play all the games you want. She signed the letter. MADem Nov 2013 #77

She signed a secret encouragement to run. She didn't publicly endorse of her as the candidate NoOneMan Nov 2013 #78

And that really BOTHERS you!!!! Waaaah, she signed a secret letter! MADem Nov 2013 #84

Using DU to spread lies should bother everyone here NoOneMan Nov 2013 #86

There you go, calling me a liar again. You really need to not do that. MADem Nov 2013 #87

I didn't call you a liar. I've proven that a specific statement you are making is a lie NoOneMan Nov 2013 #88

Google: define Political endorsement NoOneMan Nov 2013 #56

Poor Widdle Elizabeth is being LIED about...she's being BULLIED....she's being pushed into signing MADem Nov 2013 #62

You are doing the lying. She has no control over your lies. I doubt they'll affect her decision. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #63

No I'm not, but you're losing it, here. MADem Nov 2013 #67

No one is going to declare this early in the game. Not even the inevetible has declared. Whisp Nov 2013 #109

Why? Because she wants to be a US Senator and not a President. That's why. longship Nov 2013 #58

"Why don't people understand this simple thing?" I think that many of us have been Cal33 Nov 2013 #59

But Elizabeth Warren has already said she's not interested. longship Nov 2013 #60

This is what could happen when people are grasping at last straws. Cal33 Nov 2013 #65

You mean like the way Obama said he wasn't going to run? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #76

Because it's three fucking years to the election. longship Nov 2013 #89

Look, I agree with you more than you realize NoOneMan Nov 2013 #91

Thanks. longship Nov 2013 #92

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Clinton's who put this 'letter' nonsense out there themselves. Whisp Nov 2013 #11

Boxer organized the secret letter of encouragement NoOneMan Nov 2013 #12

Boxer has been a Clinton minion for a long time. Whisp Nov 2013 #14

Both Clintons have been in politics all of their adult lives. Hillary herself had said so when she Cal33 Nov 2013 #18

EVERY Democratic woman Senator--including Warren--signed it. MADem Nov 2013 #41

Obama said quite the same...that he wasn't running. Look who beat Hillary last time. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #42

Your answer is non responsive. Show me the letter Obama signed endorsing another Dem. MADem Nov 2013 #48

Show me a letter Warren signed publicly endorsing another candidate NoOneMan Nov 2013 #93

Yes, because Barbara Boxer is a big fat LIAR! MADem Nov 2013 #114

The letter Boxer had them signed in secret is no public endorsement NoOneMan Nov 2013 #115

Waaaaah! MADem Nov 2013 #118

I'd be surprised if that *didn't* lead back to the Clintons, winter is coming Nov 2013 #52

Boxer organized the secret letter of encouragement NoOneMan Nov 2013 #95

As usual, your comments are nonsensical. Beacool Nov 2013 #100

yeh, I know. The Clintons are so straight up and honest. Whisp Nov 2013 #101

You make up stuff about them all the time. Beacool Nov 2013 #106

Don't have to make stuff up, it's all on record. Whisp Nov 2013 #107

Warren is awesome. I would love to see her run. But I am behind Hillary and bluestate10 Nov 2013 #79

I'm for drafting Elizabeth. I can't imagine being inspired to work for Hillary's election. Scuba Nov 2013 #2

Yup, I feel the same. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #3

^^^This. +1 n/t Chan790 Nov 2013 #5

Do you think it possible that there will be a movement to draft Elizabeth? We still Cal33 Nov 2013 #7

"Drafting" is an exercise in futility AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #19

Agreed. HappyMe Nov 2013 #8

Yup. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #9

I am not inspired for Hillary at all. bigwillq Nov 2013 #37

Well, if she becomes the nominee, you'll have to take a holiday from here. MADem Nov 2013 #44

There have been many actively working against the President from the get go. Whisp Nov 2013 #54

Ah, Hell, what in the world is this controversy? juajen Nov 2013 #94

Yes, let's all support a DINO, because, unity, or whatever. Scuba Nov 2013 #97

"Get real" LMFAO Corruption Inc Nov 2013 #98

That's OK, there are millions who are plenty inspired and will work very hard to elect Hillary. Beacool Nov 2013 #103

Why? In case the TPP doesn't get signed before Barack leaves office? Scuba Nov 2013 #123

Why? Beacool Nov 2013 #129

No disclaimers here. LWolf Nov 2013 #6

The second sentence of the 1st paragraph is: "But if Hillary should win in the primaries, I'd Cal33 Nov 2013 #13

I'm pointing out LWolf Nov 2013 #16

No more of the same. vi5 Nov 2013 #10

I supported Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primaries, but when the nominee was chosen, Arkansas Granny Nov 2013 #15

This entire thread assumes conditions in 2016 will be just like 2013 starroute Nov 2013 #17

You've brought up many points that merit deeper thought. But the one about Hillary's Cal33 Nov 2013 #22

That might fly with the 50 year olds but not with the 30 year olds starroute Nov 2013 #66

Excuse me, but the Clinton years were the best this country experienced in my lifetime. Beacool Nov 2013 #104

I support Hillary but if Warren were the nominee I would be happy and vote for her. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #21

1,000,000,000,000,000+ %. nt bluestate10 Nov 2013 #81

Elizabeth Warren's hopes and aspirations for what she would like to do and achieve Cal33 Nov 2013 #99

that seems like a strange hope hfojvt Nov 2013 #25

One can always hope. What's wrong with that? I didn't say that I expected it would happen with Cal33 Nov 2013 #26

the trouble is, though hfojvt Nov 2013 #29

You mean you think Hillary would rush our nation into self-destruct as quickly Cal33 Nov 2013 #53

maybe more so hfojvt Nov 2013 #61

Looks like it will be the Warren people who are the PUMAs this time... SidDithers Nov 2013 #28

How will they reconcile Warren's EARLY support of Clinton's candidacy, though? MADem Nov 2013 #47

rather simple actually Bodhi BloodWave Nov 2013 #108

Well, a real leader would just not sign the letter, and discourage the MADem Nov 2013 #112

unless she actually belive it would strengthen the race neh? Bodhi BloodWave Nov 2013 #124

No, because that's not how Democratic women in the Senate do things. MADem Nov 2013 #128

I consider the "she has a D after her name, vote for her or the republicans win" game to be a scam. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #30

Because she doesn't want it One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #33

President Obama stated he didn't want to run in 2008 more than once. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #35

I saw a post here about a speech Clinton gave in SF where she blamed "both sides" tularetom Nov 2013 #36

Yes. A US president who is left of center both economically and socially is Zorra Nov 2013 #38

If Hillary wants my vote she'll have to disavow and fight against TPP. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #46

I will look at those in the primary and make my decision then. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #51

As much as I would like to see Warren in high office, unless Dems and "progressives" Skidmore Nov 2013 #55

I'm not a moderate, centrist, Neo-lib, New Democrat, or 3rd Way. I vote for progressives. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #57

I wonder if Joe Biden will run for potus. . . B Calm Nov 2013 #72

I agree. 2016 is time for the nation to start moving more toward the Left of the bluestate10 Nov 2013 #74

Warren is staying here, in MA. graywarrior Nov 2013 #80

So do I....and she'll sit in "Ted's seat" until President Clinton nominates her as Fed Chair. nt MADem Nov 2013 #85

President Clinton? HappyMe Nov 2013 #90

Yes, President Hillary Clinton. MADem Nov 2013 #113

She's NOT the president. HappyMe Nov 2013 #125

Neither was Barack Obama in 2006. MADem Nov 2013 #126

lol! HappyMe Nov 2013 #127

Maybe Deval could run for her seat. graywarrior Nov 2013 #96

Deval might just want to be Attorney General of the United States. MADem Nov 2013 #120

Without a House majority and Senate (super)majority, Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #83

Are we going to have another three years of the Left Beacool Nov 2013 #102

My concern with a Warren nomination... Deep13 Nov 2013 #110

An elected democrat can only govern "left of center" if we have a filibuster proof ecstatic Nov 2013 #111

I'd rather see.. fadedrose Nov 2013 #116

I'm so sick of this shit! This entire thread and threads like it don't mean SHIT!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #117

I can walk and chew gum at the same time. MADem Nov 2013 #119

There's 50 million Hillary threads that up daily, both pro and con. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #121

If there's no discussion, that's on you. You want discussion? Fire it up! MADem Nov 2013 #122

I've been active in politics all my life. And I've been screaming about local politics on this forum Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #130

You're correct. We've got to make sure that many more Democrats will be voting in Cal33 Nov 2013 #131

When it all comes down to it, we are on the same side. We're fighting for the same things!!!! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #132

That's wonderful that you've been active in local politics all your life. MADem Nov 2013 #133

not hillary upi402 Nov 2013 #138

But it looks like another "corporatist" is what we will get, if Elizabeth doesn't run. That's the Cal33 Nov 2013 #141