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NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
63. again....lol
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 10:06 AM
Nov 2013

You quoted snippets from an online news story, is that the "proof" of your position you hang your hat on ?

Your "proof" is somewhat less than impressive, I assume you read the whole story, I did. My point is that you are smart enough to see what is going on around you, ....apply what you see and experience in your world and see if there are things that don't add up to the rosy picture someone else is being paid to provide you with.

In the year that the ACA was passed into law, which included the benefit of allowing parents to keep kids on insurance policies till 26...why are there statistically more young people with insurance ? hmmm.... that's pretty complex huh. What happens to families that are currently being dropped from policies ( the tens of thousands of them) because they do not comply with the ACA, yet cannot get coverage through the ACA ?...they could suffer, but it's for the greater good huh. With the undeniable inability of the ACA websites to function even remotely correctly during the sign up phase, how confident do YOU think the general population will be that the REALLY challenging parts will operate correctly ? Like I said, the ACA requires public participation, the IRS cannot shag down enough yearly penalities to allow the ACA to operate ... a significant public participation, without it the ACA will implode. "medicare had trouble too when it first started"......is hardly the inspirational leadership that will fly with me after the decades of time, effort and treasure invested in healthcare reform preparation, so please don't link to a story with that "proof".

What you call "proof" of a position, I call regurgitating a narrow field of vision where the desire to appear informed overrides an ability to look into the full spectrum of cause and effect. I am truly one of the fortunate few, I am all but immune to the ACA tangle, which may be why it's easier for me to see the inefficiency in it's implementation, I have no skin in the "see the ACA is working" fight.

"because I say so that's why", lol..... no...because it's happening in the real world...that's why.
take care.



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Thank gawd nobody has complained about Obamacare until now. tridim Nov 2013 #1
Ain't it a shame? CTyankee Nov 2013 #2
There were so many "facts" everyone knew... Agschmid Nov 2013 #6
I believe Anthem Blue Cross are now being persued....for false information. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #28
Author of famous self help book 'Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough' Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #3
Obamacare didn't cancel her policy. Dumbass did that herself: Nine Nov 2013 #4
what I don't understand is why her coverage went up to $5,400. CTyankee Nov 2013 #5
Because she hasn't shopped around. Nine Nov 2013 #9
but as I say downthread, wouldn't the editor of that section have realized that? CTyankee Nov 2013 #10
It's an opinion piece, not a news story. Nine Nov 2013 #32
Anthem Blue Cross is the company in trouble for lying to their clients about ACA VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #29
or (C) ... surrealAmerican Nov 2013 #61
Her piece says nothing about not "shopping around" brentspeak Nov 2013 #90
Premiums which go to for-profit insurers aren't the same as taxes for nonprofit schools. Romulox Nov 2013 #11
And by the way, ACA does NOT mandate coverage for sex-change operations. Nine Nov 2013 #7
there is something very funny about her story...I'm not buying it... CTyankee Nov 2013 #8
ACA manipulates us into thinking that buying a for-profit *product* is an act of altruism. Romulox Nov 2013 #12
well, if the repubs are successful in getting rid of the ACA, it may sweep away concerns about CTyankee Nov 2013 #13
I don't agree. With the ACA, we have never been farther from true universal care. Romulox Nov 2013 #14
Of course. At the time Obama was starting to build it, it seemed like the viable CTyankee Nov 2013 #16
One can hope. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #15
hope will be ALL you will have if the ACA is ended VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #31
Hope, and no mandate. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #37
By the way, here is some information about the POOR author. Nine Nov 2013 #17
I fail to see what your post proves about the author, or how it invalidates her critique. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #18
Really? You can't see it? Nine Nov 2013 #27
You're making assumptions about her position. I'm not comfortable judging how much people should Romulox Nov 2013 #44
She is presenting herself as a middle class person financially burdened by ACA when she is not. Nine Nov 2013 #48
You don't know that. It shouldn't matter. This is mandatory corporate profit, which is wrong. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #55
You don't like ACA so you will support any criticism, even a dishonest one. Nine Nov 2013 #58
I wonder if she is just "self promoting" by writing something provocative in the NYT... CTyankee Nov 2013 #19
Agree! Better to write about something Phentex Nov 2013 #21
AHHH that makes better sense VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #33
Hope will be your medical coverage.....if they manage to end the ACA VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #30
got to break some eggs to make an omelete, NM_Birder Nov 2013 #39
You are MUCH better off...You cannot go bankrupt due to medical care. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #40
I am way better off than a lot, ...... NM_Birder Nov 2013 #42
So lets go back to having medical bankruptcies? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #43
lol...... NM_Birder Nov 2013 #49
You are wrong so...Proof please.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #54
lol. NM_Birder Nov 2013 #60
I provided proof of my position....where is yours? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #62
again....lol NM_Birder Nov 2013 #63
Unlike you I provided the link for you to read further... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #64
I read the link....dude. NM_Birder Nov 2013 #65
I AM using my brain....I am not going to use YOURS VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #66
there is more to this than that news article NM_Birder Nov 2013 #68
WTF is "your brain" talking about now? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #72
how will it be paid for ? NM_Birder Nov 2013 #69
How is the ACA funded you ask? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #73
No link ? I'm dissapointed. NM_Birder Nov 2013 #85
So? You asked...I delivered... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #86
Allow me to Appologize,...... NM_Birder Nov 2013 #70
Nice Try! BKH70041 Nov 2013 #71
Let me guess....Republican right? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #74
The ACA is law,.....you got one right NM_Birder Nov 2013 #76
Want to bet the farm on that? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #80
Name calling.... really ? NM_Birder Nov 2013 #84
and your point is...she asks like she is expecting a coherent response... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #87
Going to make yet another "guess" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #81
You ate too much paste as a kid. NM_Birder Nov 2013 #83
Evidence please... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #75
LOL..... NM_Birder Nov 2013 #77
Where is this giant group of people that cannot get ACA? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #78
I take it back...you're not funny, but the Soup Nazi still is.... NM_Birder Nov 2013 #82
What you call "blind faith" I call informed decision... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #88
One can still go bankrupt due to medical costs. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #52
I'm on Medicare and have a United Health Care supplement CTyankee Nov 2013 #41
That's some serious dreaming. gulliver Nov 2013 #89
do you understand how insurance coverage pools work? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #20
Of course. Insurance is a *for-profit* endeavor. Insurers make money by denying care. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #22
I know. I want single payer, but it's a start. and the profits are now limited thanks to ACA PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #23
It's not at all clear that "it's a start". It empowers the worst actors in healthcare Romulox Nov 2013 #24
it's a start because a lot of people who haven't been able to see a doctor will be able to PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #25
The cost of private health insurance is ultimately unsustainable. This does little to help. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #45
Not so fast... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #51
80% of a larger premium = more profit. This provision could actually drive costs higher. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #53
Right. And the "rebate" part of this doesn't enter the equation at all? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #56
Read up on how other nations implemented their national health care systems. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #67
not anymore! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #34
Unfortunately, you're wrong. That's still how insurance works. It's just that it's mandatory, now. Romulox Nov 2013 #47
Thank you. ACA manipulates the public by offering the illusion that people pay less. woo me with science Nov 2013 #36
Thank you for putting it so eloquently. I couldn't agree more. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #46
+1 The subsidies are for Insurers, not People n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #57
^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #79
people should dump Blue Cross insurance for good if they still screw people. Sunlei Nov 2013 #26
Anthem Blue Cross....not being honest brokers.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #35
Yup. And that's the big lie about ACA. Nine Nov 2013 #38
"This is a long whine/rant by a best selling author" Boo fucking hoo... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #50
Don't question her claim that this will be a heavy financial burden on her. Nine Nov 2013 #59
Yeah, I know. Authors are jerks, and don't deserve any compassion. All rich as kings, too. Romulox Nov 2013 #91
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