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wercal

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53. You've got guts for being honest

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:25 PM

Nov 2013

All this abortion talk points to a coming collision in abortion politics. Some on this board, perhaps even this thread, are fully in favor of 39th week abortions...and anything less is an affront to the mother's right to choose.

However, most of the nation is fixed on 26 weeks, unless there are extraordinary circumstances. IOW, the majority of the population doesn't have the stomach for a 3rd trimester abortion....so its not a popular political position.

And that window is getting tighter. Miracle babies are being born even earlier. My twin nephews were born at 23 weeks, for example. So, we have seen a movement to a 20 week limit. Its not prevalent or extremely popular...yet. But the pendulum is slowly swinging in that direction...when is the last time you heard of a law being passed extending the time limit?

Well the 20 week limit starts to collide with the mother's ability to know she is pregnant, or have pre-natal tests done that would predict a healthy pregnancy.

So the battle is coming...and it will be a nasty one.

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I think people should, in general, choose not to have abortions [View all] el_bryanto Nov 2013 OP

I give you credit for your guts... PCIntern Nov 2013 #1

I ran into that same problem ann--- Nov 2013 #2

Not your business to discourage family members. Their choice, not yours. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #48

all hypothetical baloney elehhhhna Nov 2013 #81

I'd have the baby for them! rbixby Nov 2013 #156

Yes, it is ann--- Nov 2013 #394

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Women handle an abortion HERVEPA Nov 2013 #395

If you love them and want what's best for them, you should keep you nose out of their business. MadrasT Nov 2013 #397

Pro choice means just that .. choice. ananda Nov 2013 #76

They have a right to choose against abortion for themselves. boston bean Nov 2013 #90

Making a choice "for yourself" doesn't mean making it free from all input from anyone else. Silent3 Nov 2013 #267

Limiting choice and shaming women is NOT pro choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #268

I hardly consider offering an opinion to be "limiting" or "shaming" Silent3 Nov 2013 #285

I suppose you feel this way about civil rights, gay rights? boston bean Nov 2013 #286

Can you give me an example... Silent3 Nov 2013 #303

Well, abortion is about woman autonomy and agency. boston bean Nov 2013 #307

Abortion isn't that simple -- even if for well-motivated reasons you want it to be Silent3 Nov 2013 #312

The law is very clear on when women can access an abortion boston bean Nov 2013 #314

Are you saying you're fine with the laws (at least the more liberal ones... Silent3 Nov 2013 #323

No I am not fine with any restrictions on abortion which seek to undermine boston bean Nov 2013 #324

I think we should follow Canada's lead - ZERO laws/restrictions. None. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #325

Even without criminal laws, there are "CMA policy and guidelines"... Silent3 Nov 2013 #337

of course, ffs. trust. them. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #339

That kind of trust isn't out of line with the OP for this thread. n/t Silent3 Nov 2013 #342

I don't see it that way. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #343

OK. Right now there is at least one person somewhere on a donor waiting list who needs idwiyo Nov 2013 #318

Merely expressing, as in the OP... Silent3 Nov 2013 #321

It's trying to shame and guilt-trip them into becoming one. It's about maintaning a stigma, idwiyo Nov 2013 #335

What percentage of abortions are late-term and why are they performed? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #322

Laws have to cover unusual circumstances. Silent3 Nov 2013 #328

trust women. There should be zero restrictions. None. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #329

K&R idwiyo Nov 2013 #345

find me a late term abortion ever, that did not have to do with health of mom or health seabeyond Nov 2013 #333

pisses me off almost always men arguing abortion bring in the late term nonsense. seabeyond Nov 2013 #336

I agree with your position. One can be personally against abortion while being pro choice. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #221

If it's personal to a woman so should the feelings we all have about it. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #3

Any of us could have been aborted; you're not the only one. Brickbat Nov 2013 #4

That's true - but I think you look at it differently when you know, 100%, your Birth Mother el_bryanto Nov 2013 #5

My wife gave up her daughter to adoption when she was a teenager. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #347

I fail to see what your mother not wanting you has to do with abortion? She made a choice. Other OregonBlue Nov 2013 #373

+1. I was an unplanned child. My parents never made any secret of it. n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #6

People are sick and tired of being told they are "immoral" or evil for wanting an abortion. ieoeja Nov 2013 #7

I suppose because it feels dishonest. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #9

Double down... procon Nov 2013 #8

I agree with you LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #10

Do you know for sure that you all were unwanted pregnancies..because some very young girls would.. Tikki Nov 2013 #11

From what I understand that is my Brothers situation el_bryanto Nov 2013 #12

You have never connected with your birthmother, pretty hard to be 100% then.. Tikki Nov 2013 #13

I agree with you. My grandmothers baby was stolen from her notadmblnd Nov 2013 #222

So you don't know if you were unwanted. Your birth mother may have had a terminal illness riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #86

Why do you think what you think should matter. boston bean Nov 2013 #14

+1 leftstreet Nov 2013 #16

Is how people vote my business? Or am I allowed to have an opinion on how people should vote? nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #17

ah yeah you can have an opinion. boston bean Nov 2013 #18

Can I express that opinion? nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #19

I don't want to hear about your opinion on abortion boston bean Nov 2013 #21

Of course you are - this is a discussion board el_bryanto Nov 2013 #25

Make no doubt about it, your personal opinion on abortion boston bean Nov 2013 #44

And, if I understand you correctly, people who have that opinion should keep it to themselves el_bryanto Nov 2013 #50

What I am saying is your OP is hard to equate with anything boston bean Nov 2013 #52

So Pro Choice, to you, is a matter of having the right opinion about abortion el_bryanto Nov 2013 #55

Pro choice to me means keeping my nose out other womens choices. boston bean Nov 2013 #60

I guess I see two issues here el_bryanto Nov 2013 #65

People who are pro choice don't say they think women, in general, should not boston bean Nov 2013 #69

OK I think I understand where you are coming from el_bryanto Nov 2013 #72

To be pro choice one knows the decision they make is for THEMSELVES boston bean Nov 2013 #75

Thank you for clarifying. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #78

You're welcome. Now may I ask why you chose to write "people" instead of "women" boston bean Nov 2013 #100

I should probably have written women on reflection el_bryanto Nov 2013 #101

Should we also allow posters to tell us about how they don't think gays should get married? Zorra Nov 2013 #94

I suspect they'd accuse me of being a baby-murderer for believing that Abortion should be legal el_bryanto Nov 2013 #96

thank you PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #106

I see ant union shit all the time here Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #186

You don't *have* to keep it to yourself. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #213

I don't - I welcome discussion nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #224

Good. That's what I like to hear. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #228

There is no discussion TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #340

Sorry, but I don't entirely agree... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #354

Oh for heaven's sake, that's your DAUGHTER TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #359

And no-one's got any right to tell me to keep my opinion to myself when it comes to my daughter... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #360

the only blurring of the lines I see is how some are pushing boston bean Nov 2013 #363

If you didn't want to hear his opinion, why post on the thread. vaberella Nov 2013 #327

I clicked on it and read it. boston bean Nov 2013 #330

Fine, but you said you didn't want to hear his opinion. Then ignore it.n/t vaberella Nov 2013 #332

It's a response. I'll do as I please within the bounds of what Is acceptable on DU. boston bean Nov 2013 #334

Sure you can procon Nov 2013 #45

I feel like my OP made it very clear where I stand on that. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #49

I applaud Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #137

irrational. of course, women are irrational. one womans issue you have supported? seabeyond Nov 2013 #166

I am 100% Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #168

I think he was just being honest BB tkmorris Nov 2013 #23

Indicating that choices have consequences does not invalidate the right to make the choice. sibelian Nov 2013 #64

Great comment get the red out Nov 2013 #103

people have opinions and they have every right to express those opinions cali Nov 2013 #202

You would be banned for saying you don't think gays should marry or adopt PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #218

not analogous. The OP made it clear that he supports abortion rights cali Nov 2013 #376

If this OP read: "I think, in general, gay people should not adopt children" PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #377

+1. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2013 #391

There were millions of abortions before abortions were legal frazzled Nov 2013 #15

As a medievalist, I can say that there were recipes, etc in manuscripts to help women anneboleyn Nov 2013 #209

Your expression of great concern about what you think women should do is duly noted. Zorra Nov 2013 #20

I've done that - but would take us pretty far afield to open that in this discussion. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #26

Too much discussion on Abortion dem in texas Nov 2013 #22

that's just DU for you, hahahah cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #24

Hmmmm... Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #27

Of course, I always tell the truth on message boards cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #31

Alright, so then we can't trust you to tell the truth. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #32

So, you lied in order to make some sort of point, because your feelings got hurt on the internet? Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #38

perusing down the thread to this point, we have ever anti feminist cheering the "honesty" of this seabeyond Nov 2013 #167

Well, aren't you a progressive. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #29

Yep....and now starts the labeling.... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #33

You just said you'd vote for an anti-choice candidate NuclearDem Nov 2013 #37

Where did I say that??? cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #43

Oh, it was sarcasm? NuclearDem Nov 2013 #46

Amazingly foolish arguement. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #40

Your post makes me doubt you actually vote pro-choice. People who do support Universal Human Rights idwiyo Nov 2013 #351

I respect your opinion and position. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #28

I appreciate your response el_bryanto Nov 2013 #47

Thanks for the reply. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #59

I recently posted about being an adoptee, and finding my biological kin. My birth mother's mother calimary Nov 2013 #30

Do you mind if I ask... wercal Nov 2013 #56

I hired a woman whose business was "The Adoption Specialist." calimary Nov 2013 #134

My birth family and I found each other on an online adoption search page. Marrah_G Nov 2013 #331

I was assisted by a free adoption search angel me b zola Nov 2013 #371

Thanks fo rthe info wercal Nov 2013 #372

I think, in general, you should keep your opinions on what others do to your damn self. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #34

You're welcome - it's nice to be recognized for ones skills. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #41

Link to last awful one please. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #54

I self deleted it - at PeaceNikki's request, actually el_bryanto Nov 2013 #61

Do you do not make your opinions known here about Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #105

posters would be banned for saying they don't think gays should marry or adopt PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #111

Homosexuality isn't a choice. nt. sibelian Nov 2013 #349

um... did you miss my signature? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #350

Didn't you just give your opinion on what others do ..... ? oldhippie Nov 2013 #207

so.. you're going to stalk me? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #211

No, I'm just going to use your statement to back up some points ... oldhippie Nov 2013 #217

creep. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #219

A little sensitive, are we? oldhippie Nov 2013 #225

Like when someone buys a gun, smokes, chooses to be part of a religion, other personal choices? The Straight Story Nov 2013 #398

If you were aborted you wouldn't know anything so the point is kind of mute snooper2 Nov 2013 #35

I think that given the alternative of having a baby, abortion is the better option NoOneMan Nov 2013 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Nov 2013 #39

A great thing about opinions: just because you're online doesn't mean you have to share your's. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #42

Or read it. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #107

I think some people missed what you wrote nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #51

You've got guts for being honest wercal Nov 2013 #53

I think people should, in general, keep their opinion's about other people's abortions to themselves MadrasT Nov 2013 #57

Shaming is shaming. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #58

Well said! Lars39 Nov 2013 #63

Amen JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #66

That's a well stated argument el_bryanto Nov 2013 #67

yup PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #70

^^^this^^^ progressoid Nov 2013 #108

+1 FreeState Nov 2013 #144

Adding a post here to highlight this excellent point. +10000 nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #158

+1 gollygee Nov 2013 #159

Actually, traditional doctrine was the the fetus was ensouled at the quickening, tblue37 Nov 2013 #197

Thank you for your magnificent argument. If I could K&R your post, I would. n/t myrna minx Nov 2013 #208

+infinity. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #214

Yeah, I pretty much have to agree with this. It sure comes off as shaming even if not meant to be. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #230

Well kudos to you JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #62

Why not type 'As a man I think women should do____? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #68

I don't think that would be an accurate statement of my position, so I chose not to phrase it el_bryanto Nov 2013 #73

I am a woman, and newcriminal Nov 2013 #71

I am disgusted that this passed jury (before my alert) - Can someone post results? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #74

I'd be curious to see those results as well. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #80

no, but the shaming needs to stop PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #89

You yourself don't deserve to be banned. Or at least I haven't seen anything that indicates that. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #234

Yes it is JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #84

What do I need to learn? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #92

Here, PeaceNikki, I was the alerter. Zorra Nov 2013 #104

Thanks for posting this - I was curious nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #112

Honesty and transparency are important, don't you think? nt Zorra Nov 2013 #126

Yes they are. Very important. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #128

Yeah, get back to us when you grow a uterus. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #77

I have a uterus and have had an abortion and I agree with him. When should I get back to you? renie408 Nov 2013 #82

Now is fine. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #88

I think its OK for him to have an opinion about this as long... renie408 Nov 2013 #93

Nothing wrong with that. But anyone else should have the right to tell the OP nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #236

"I think people should, in general, choose not to have blood transfusions." LanternWaste Nov 2013 #79

Thank you for your response el_bryanto Nov 2013 #85

I'd ask a creationist to butt out of a conversation regarding the geological age of the planet... LanternWaste Nov 2013 #113

Exactly! Creationism is a perfect analogy here, for more reasons than one. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #239

Well, yeah, if it is not the exact same opinion as yours, it must be stupid, right? renie408 Nov 2013 #87

True. I was a lot happier and more relieved about the abortion than the blood transfusion. n/t LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #116

Yes! Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #163

Some positions are not opinions, but simple science. And I'll take science over opinions any day LanternWaste Nov 2013 #119

While the OP mentioned being raised religiously, the OP argument wasn't phrased... Silent3 Nov 2013 #284

Oh crap.... katsy Nov 2013 #83

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #240

And you have your answer. When it comes to tolerance, the DU has some glaring issues. renie408 Nov 2013 #91

DU is a community full of passionate people el_bryanto Nov 2013 #95

The "problem" is in how we collectively frame the issue. It's far beyond personal opinion. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #242

This OP seems like an attempt to undermine the right of women to make decisions regarding pregnancy. Zorra Nov 2013 #97

I can categorically state that such was not my intention el_bryanto Nov 2013 #102

Yes, that's it. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #109

You know, we could have all been aborted BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #98

Are you a physician specializing in the reproductive health of women? TBF Nov 2013 #99

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Nov 2013 #135

If you REALLY want to see the number of abortions go down bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #114

You would be banned for saying you don't think gays should marry or adopt PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #115

So you think I should be banned? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #117

yes, I changed my mind. However, I think you're safe PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #120

I'm curious though - what percentage of the Democratic party do you think has an opinion el_bryanto Nov 2013 #123

it doesn't matter . Party platform clearly defined what our common ideals are. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #125

I do intend this to be my last post on the subject el_bryanto Nov 2013 #127

good. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #129

I'm glad to have pleased you at least briefly. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #130

Also - you didn't say that YOU wouldn't have one, you said others should not. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #131

Just out of curiosity Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #139

I would tell them to get the fuck out of legislating PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #141

Well ... Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #142

I am not in her district. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #143

In the post I linked you expressed Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #147

hold your breath PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #149

It does seem to be somewhat like a double standard... Agschmid Nov 2013 #150

When the OP filibusters for 11+ hours for choice, or Wendy Davis posts those words here, PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #170

Would you lobby for banning her from DU? n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #196

That is NOT what you wrote: boston bean Nov 2013 #133

I'm not sure how to respond to this el_bryanto Nov 2013 #136

I read the OP and you think "people" boston bean Nov 2013 #138

OK - I understand that el_bryanto Nov 2013 #146

Real moral questions are compelling and clear; religions only "struggle" when male leadership ego ancianita Nov 2013 #171

This is an interesting argument and well stated el_bryanto Nov 2013 #173

Why should you. It's not in your interests to handle what male theologists have 'tackled' before you ancianita Nov 2013 #182

I apologize for having offended, that wasn't my intention el_bryanto Nov 2013 #189

Thanks. "People" do know that "choose" in relation to abortion is about free will; therefore ancianita Nov 2013 #299

I will have to disappoint you as I have no intention of taking back my OP el_bryanto Nov 2013 #306

I don't think that people who disagree with me are necessarily wrong. They simply haven't convinced ancianita Nov 2013 #316

"Partial birth abortion" is a loaded right wing political term and not a medical term. myrna minx Nov 2013 #235

I apologize - i was using the language at Wikipedia about Biden's political positions el_bryanto Nov 2013 #241

Yes - it's a right wing shaming and political term and not a medical term. myrna minx Nov 2013 #243

I see your point - the right wing has been very successful in pushing their preferred terminology el_bryanto Nov 2013 #245

That's not our decision to make. nt Zorra Nov 2013 #121

So true, allowing anti choice sentiments if it can be categorized as not rude, boston bean Nov 2013 #124

Yes. I'm done, I'm taking a break from DU. My autonomy should not be at issue, and the continual Zorra Nov 2013 #148

I'm sorry to see you go - good luck with your break. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #151

It's my opinion that I should have no opinion about MineralMan Nov 2013 #118

I think women, in general, and specifically, should choose what suits them. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #122

ALL of us "could have been aborted" ... Scout Nov 2013 #132

Yes. My mother had three miscarriages b/n my brother and me. anneboleyn Nov 2013 #212

I wish my mother would have had the option to abort me. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #140

. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #165

Thanks, sweetie pie. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #172

I really feel for you. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #176

I am so sorry! redwitch Nov 2013 #169

Oh yeah. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #178

That is pretty rough el_bryanto Nov 2013 #177

You don't seem to realize that there is a Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #187

I can certainly understand what you are saying. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #192

But the reason you prefer "existing" to "not existing" is because you've had a halfway decent nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #300

Then for you, this has NOTHING to do with Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #355

I don't understand this response el_bryanto Nov 2013 #389

I was born and adopted Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #145

A reminder goes out that what you consider an abortion and what goes on... peace13 Nov 2013 #152

I can understand and respect your opinion, without agreeing with it. Nor do I msanthrope Nov 2013 #153

I salute your bravery Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #154

I like the fact that people are different than women. peace13 Nov 2013 #155

I think people should, in general, mind their own business. Rex Nov 2013 #157

I was adopted through Catholic Charities, back East, during the 60s...so was my older brother.... blueamy66 Nov 2013 #160

Well, I am a woman newcriminal Nov 2013 #161

Why are you so insistent on placing your feelings on others. boston bean Nov 2013 #174

That is not true. newcriminal Nov 2013 #181

No I do not. I understand some women feel sorrow. boston bean Nov 2013 #185

I agree their sorrow should not have a bearing on whether another woman has an abortion or not. newcriminal Nov 2013 #194

It is what is is to each person that has experienced it blueamy66 Nov 2013 #223

I guess I think more of women than you do. newcriminal Nov 2013 #226

What does that mean exactly? boston bean Nov 2013 #229

How I felt? newcriminal Nov 2013 #231

No, what you wrote? boston bean Nov 2013 #232

That I don't think any woman would take something like an abortion newcriminal Nov 2013 #233

having helped hundreds of pregnant get abortions, there is a wide range and for some, yes uppityperson Nov 2013 #244

I wouldn't impart shame on them for getting an abortion. newcriminal Nov 2013 #246

Don't waste your time feeling shame for "them taking it so lightly". blueamy66 Nov 2013 #251

I can waste my time on whatever I choose. newcriminal Nov 2013 #254

Shame on you, then REP Nov 2013 #252

. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #255

I am the one continuesly stating women do not take it lightly. newcriminal Nov 2013 #258

Yet you keep replying to me REP Nov 2013 #259

You replied to me. newcriminal Nov 2013 #261

Are you morally judging women who don't feel like you do about having an abortion? boston bean Nov 2013 #262

I guess you can't read either. newcriminal Nov 2013 #263

I can read. Are you calling them liars? Nt boston bean Nov 2013 #264

Yes newcriminal Nov 2013 #266

Well at least we got to the truth of your feelings..... boston bean Nov 2013 #271

I have stated that the whole time. newcriminal Nov 2013 #273

Nice to have it put so clearly. boston bean Nov 2013 #275

Wow. I need to share that with women I know who "took it lightly". They are liars, according to you uppityperson Nov 2013 #290

What should pregnant women feel when they get an abortion and why should it be difficult for them? uppityperson Nov 2013 #304

Yes, you are and have said that. Those who "take it lightly" you feel shame for. And how can you uppityperson Nov 2013 #289

It *is* birth control. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #265

In the year of 2013, Women of the United States and the rest of *world* should be free myrna minx Nov 2013 #278

"we have the freedom *from* religion in this country" newcriminal Nov 2013 #280

You did say you feel shame for those who "took it lightly". You do judge whether or not uppityperson Nov 2013 #291

So what do you believe women should "go through" to get an abortion? myrna minx Nov 2013 #293

Can you please elaborate on a "flippant way"? Do tell what should I do before I decide to abort. idwiyo Nov 2013 #370

sing it, sister PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #282

You're doing it again! REP Nov 2013 #301

I say "some" do, and you feel shame for them. Incredible. uppityperson Nov 2013 #288

yes newcriminal Nov 2013 #294

You dare judge, shame them, call them liars. Incredible. uppityperson Nov 2013 #298

It's not for anyone BUT women to say whether they take it heavily or lightly.That is the sole point. ancianita Nov 2013 #283

I guess then they would say half-shame, you half-liar? It is incredible, what they are saying. uppityperson Nov 2013 #302

How will you decide who has taken it "so lightly"? Or will you feel shame for them all? uppityperson Nov 2013 #287

It isn't for me to decide. newcriminal Nov 2013 #296

And you are the one doing the judging and shaming. I said "some". eom uppityperson Nov 2013 #297

I don't think anyone has the right to judge until they are in that position newfie11 Nov 2013 #361

Okay. blueamy66 Nov 2013 #248

(Women) "should, in general, choose not to have abortions" chowder66 Nov 2013 #162

I probably do have more thinking to do on this el_bryanto Nov 2013 #164

"I am capable of supporting freedom of speech, for example,... chowder66 Nov 2013 #188

How would one be specific on this issue? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #195

Do or don't dig deeper, post or don't post. It's your choice. nt chowder66 Nov 2013 #198

Thank you. I don't intend to start a post on this again (at least not any time soon). el_bryanto Nov 2013 #199

I see you took admins words as not posting this stuff frequently and as long as you are not "rude" boston bean Nov 2013 #200

I haven't heard from the Admins this time around el_bryanto Nov 2013 #204

I think you hit the nail on the head Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #205

it's NOBODY'S DAMN BUSINESS. a woman & her doctor. spanone Nov 2013 #175

Well, we've managed to totally eliminate all those manbortions. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #179

. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #180

It is no one's business except a woman and Her doctor. everything lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #183

I am against abortion... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #184

I know you're desperately waiting to hear what I think, so here goes: Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #190

Any of us could have been the 30-40% that never Ilsa Nov 2013 #191

My position is that we shouldn't even be having this discussion. PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #193

i know religous folk who vote for gay rights but think homosexuality is immoral La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #201

I think people in general should either support the woman's right to choose or say nothing at all. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #203

+1 idwiyo Nov 2013 #238

Bryant, I understand your point of view and your journey Hekate Nov 2013 #206

If my grandmother hadn't had her abortions, my mother wouldn't exist REP Nov 2013 #210

If my parents hadn't had sex when they did, I wouldn't be alive gollygee Nov 2013 #215

Or to make sure his religious feelings don't get hurt REP Nov 2013 #250

I find it very sad... 3catwoman3 Nov 2013 #216

It's really none of your business at all. we can do it Nov 2013 #220

It is not a decision taken lightly by any woman; most of us, babylonsister Nov 2013 #227

Too bad crap like this OP is allowed to stand. Nice attempt at shaming. idwiyo Nov 2013 #237

Nonsense. I disagree with the OP but as a liberal I value free speech... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #247

"Free speech" doesn't exist on private boards REP Nov 2013 #249

A RIGHT to free speech does not exist here, but the PRINCIPLE of free speech... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #253

... Except when they don't. REP Nov 2013 #256

Yes we know they allow all sorts of opinions regarding women's rights. boston bean Nov 2013 #257

I don't know that they would allow someone to call for abortions to be made illegal el_bryanto Nov 2013 #269

A DUer famously called it "murder" and lives to post. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #272

well I stand corrected - but I'm not sure the right call was made in that case nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #274

I told Skinner that, too. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #277

May I inquire as to his response? boston bean Nov 2013 #279

it's been years... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #281

Bollocks. It's forced-bithers unudulterated bullshit. Would you like same racist shit here too? idwiyo Nov 2013 #308

Nice Straw man. The jury system handles nonsense like that... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #352

Don't try to backpedal now. One either supports "free speech" for all or one is a hypocrite. idwiyo Nov 2013 #368

This is a False Equivalence. Racism is, by definition, irrational. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #374

Oh, and misogyny isn't? It's perfectly rational to have a desire to force one's set of beleifs idwiyo Nov 2013 #375

I am not going to chase your goalposts... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #378

You said you support free speech, but it looks like your support for it covers abortion issue only. idwiyo Nov 2013 #379

Oddly enough, Canada was much later to fully legalize abortion. roamer65 Nov 2013 #260

But they've been 100% without ANY restriction since. None. No criminal, no civil laws restricting. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #276

i do not know what other women should do so i do not even try to suggest. a friend got an seabeyond Nov 2013 #270

Why is this a controversial point? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #292

Because many people believe that by stating this position on this issue el_bryanto Nov 2013 #295

Or, inevitably in such discussions, many believe that in a free and secular society, myrna minx Nov 2013 #313

Well yes - but if you read the OP el_bryanto Nov 2013 #315

Yes, I read your OP as well as your *deleted* poll about whether or not myrna minx Nov 2013 #320

Do you think i'm essentially a dishonest person? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #338

I have absolutely no idea who you are, so who can say? myrna minx Nov 2013 #346

As long as no one advocates for restricting a woman's right to choose, HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #305

My gay boss would agree with you Demobrat Nov 2013 #309

The personal anguish in this decision is enough disincentive on point Nov 2013 #310

I think people should, in general, butt the eff out. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #311

Oh, FFS matt819 Nov 2013 #317

There is no pro abortion/anti abortion. William769 Nov 2013 #319

I am both pro choice and pro life. vaberella Nov 2013 #326

or you could just tell her to do what is best for her and talk about her and her situation. seabeyond Nov 2013 #341

Agreed, when you put it that way. But maybe he could mean that support doesn't equal agreement. ancianita Nov 2013 #348

Uh...I don't believe it's murder. Never said such a thing. vaberella Nov 2013 #384

It odd that while just about everyone here seems to agree that abortion should hughee99 Nov 2013 #344

You have every right to express your opinion and I would not worry about anyone who tries sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #353

I agree. This thread's been a real eye-opener for me... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #357

it is about shaming/guilty. one step away from the forced vaginal probe to shame and guilt seabeyond Nov 2013 #366

The politics of Abortion is very simple for me, Women should have a right to choose and hrmjustin Nov 2013 #356

I think people, in general, should not meddle in other people's medical decisions (nt) Blecht Nov 2013 #358

+infinity!!!!!!! Nt newfie11 Nov 2013 #362

It's none of your business. RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #364

Thanks for all the thoughtful responses - i am taking a few days off from DU el_bryanto Nov 2013 #365

I understand what you are saying. LWolf Nov 2013 #367

el_bryanto Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #369

I'm doing fine - thanks for the concern - i was getting riled up a bit so took some time away el_bryanto Nov 2013 #386

I'm not a fan of abortion either. Birth control solves the issue before it starts johnlucas Nov 2013 #380

"Some lady with no health endangerment issues gets up to 9 months just before delivery & then says.. Scout Nov 2013 #381

Yeah I know birth control fails. That's why I'm not against the option for Abortion. johnlucas Nov 2013 #382

i did read your post Scout Nov 2013 #385

You may have "read" it but you certainly didn't comprehend it johnlucas Nov 2013 #396

you're just digging yourself in deeper, repeating the same nonsense. Scout Nov 2013 #399

Not really. I'm on solid ground actually. And my post makes sense johnlucas Nov 2013 #401

wow - yeah, that's some of the most ridiculous bullshit. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #383

Your subject line seems to have been intended to provoke... Orsino Nov 2013 #387

I don't think we should ever restrict access to abortion, myself. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #388

Maybe you should change the title to WOMEN should not have abortions�since ONLY women can. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2013 #390

That's been noted above and it's a fair cop - I should have used women instead of people. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #392

As an adoptee, I detest the anti-choice people who use me as a poster child for their cause me b zola Nov 2013 #393

I agree. PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #400