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HooptieWagon

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174. Your source (that you don't link) is wrong.
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 03:06 PM
Nov 2013

Cooke was secretary of the union. Ruby was an employee. President was John Martin. Martin was found not guilty of killing Cooke by reason of self-defense. To use self-defense as a legal defense, you are admitting you killed the victim. It is quite impossible to claim self-defense AND someone else being the killer. Members of the union and businesses that employed them all say that there was no mob involvement in the union at that time. Whether or not it happened later is not stated. Ruby left his job at the union shortly after Cooke was killed. Its in the link I cited, which I assume you didn't bother to read.

It is not disputed that Ruby knew some gangsters. He was friends with the Campisis (sp?) who were mid-level gangsters at the time (late 30s early 40s). Its quite possible he did some errand-boy stuff for the mob from time to time, which wouldn't be unusual for a street-level hustler. But thats a long way from being a member of the mob. There is no evidence whatsoever Ruby carried out any hits for the mob or anyone else. Ruby had a long arrest record, but its all petty stuff...disturbing the peace, liquor license violations, etc. Nothing that would indicate mob activity.

I have always felt that Oswald was a set up. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #1
And you reached that conclusion after reading the Warren Commission Report, right? stopbush Nov 2013 #15
after reading all sorts of stuff gopiscrap Nov 2013 #16
Translation: NO, I have never read the WCR. stopbush Nov 2013 #20
arrogant much? grasswire Nov 2013 #54
So, let me get this straight: stopbush Nov 2013 #57
Where does it say he hasn't read it? You know what they say about people who make assumptions.... madmom Nov 2013 #81
I have actually read it twice gopiscrap Nov 2013 #85
there's an old saying.... RussBLib Nov 2013 #84
Trust me, it sounds less arrogant in the original Klingon. stopbush Nov 2013 #218
The only person who claims the poster hasn't read it is YOU. RetroLounge Nov 2013 #130
Impossible, superior lifeforms do not apologize to mental mendicants. Rex Nov 2013 #237
Are you saying...? zappaman Nov 2013 #239
Totally. Rex Nov 2013 #248
Seems to be the only way that one can communicate with others. Rex Nov 2013 #236
ah actually I have read it twice. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #68
I'm inclined to suggest that SheilaT Nov 2013 #220
Sylvia Meagher Bobcat Nov 2013 #77
Interesting. DanTex Nov 2013 #102
I hope someone knowledgeable here will answer your question. AmBlue Nov 2013 #118
John McAdams puts all the facts in one place. zappaman Nov 2013 #257
Thanks! AmBlue Nov 2013 #259
You're very welcome! zappaman Nov 2013 #260
Mary Ferrell org makes a good place to start... Octafish Nov 2013 #255
Thanks! AmBlue Nov 2013 #258
You are most welcome, AmBlue! Octafish Nov 2013 #261
I always thought Jack Ruby was the key Warpy Nov 2013 #27
Right. Ruby was diagnosed with cancer in Dec, 1966. stopbush Nov 2013 #32
You're welcome to your opinion Warpy Nov 2013 #35
It's not my "opinion" that Ruby was diagnosed with cancer in 1966. it's a fact. stopbush Nov 2013 #38
So what was Ruby's motive? MythosMaster Nov 2013 #83
All covered in the WCR and other fact-based accounts. stopbush Nov 2013 #110
The WCR and other unnamed "fact based" accounts... MythosMaster Nov 2013 #137
The official story is so hard to believe that it makes one look silly Rex Nov 2013 #171
I concur. MythosMaster Nov 2013 #188
Ruby was a Mafia operative. former9thward Nov 2013 #88
What a joke. Your proof for that claim? stopbush Nov 2013 #109
HSCA said Ruby had many key Mafia links. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #132
I've often wondered about this question and answer... KansDem Nov 2013 #228
Ruby was one of LBJ's boys. roamer65 Nov 2013 #240
So let's smear LBJ in the process of being a birther, er, JFK CTist. stopbush Nov 2013 #244
What proof? former9thward Nov 2013 #142
He knew a couple Mafia guys. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #131
Ruby had serious Mafia connections to Ruby beyond the strip club. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #133
He had even more police connections. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #135
No he did not have more police connections. former9thward Nov 2013 #143
His easy access to the DPD building HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #147
You are ignoring his mob history in Chicago. former9thward Nov 2013 #154
WTF? Someone else killed Cooke, he and Ruby were close friends. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #156
I wish the Chicago Tribune back issues were on line. former9thward Nov 2013 #159
Your source (that you don't link) is wrong. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #174
That I don't link???? former9thward Nov 2013 #180
You say the the WC didn't address many questions. I have a question for you: stopbush Nov 2013 #34
Yes, years ago Warpy Nov 2013 #36
Then you must be equipped to disprove the evidence offered in the WCR. stopbush Nov 2013 #39
interesting. i believe there were DesertFlower Nov 2013 #70
RFK Jr. said his father got the phone records of Ruby and Oswald KurtNYC Nov 2013 #72
Jack Ruby was a lone nut who killed a lone nut. There was no conspiracy and I think duffyduff Nov 2013 #145
The NYT Magazine article yesterday disputes Point #1. maxsolomon Nov 2013 #2
Maybe... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #4
Maybe... maxsolomon Nov 2013 #9
What we know about Chapman and Hinckley Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #28
The way OJ bragged about killing his wife? stopbush Nov 2013 #42
Point Taken (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #46
not really. It says Lee was controlling of Marina KurtNYC Nov 2013 #13
It has to do with Oswald's being "exceptional" Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #30
Lee Harvey Oswald and David Ferrie were both in the Civil Air Patrol. factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #3
8 years earlier, when Oswald was 16. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #47
Judyth Baker puts them both together in New Orleans KurtNYC Nov 2013 #74
Judyth Baker is a nut job. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #79
Cancun? THAT's the part of her story that you call BS on?? KurtNYC Nov 2013 #93
Nope. zappaman Nov 2013 #95
I am believer that one canlearn more from those who disagree with them KurtNYC Nov 2013 #105
She's supposedly a super-gifted genius bio-chemist... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #128
A good lie has a few truths sprinkled in to make it believable. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #97
lol. When point number 1 is as baldfaced as this, I don't need to read the rest. Schema Thing Nov 2013 #5
+1 zappaman Nov 2013 #7
Yep. Count Kurt among the uninformed and easily duped. stopbush Nov 2013 #8
#1 is way off base. All the other points are accurate, but unimportant given the CIA admission. ieoeja Nov 2013 #40
Oswald's CIA 201 file is NOT a personnel record. stopbush Nov 2013 #45
Thanks! What I saw at the time said "personnel". I didn't delve into it because I find all of this ieoeja Nov 2013 #49
Oswalds father died before he was born. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #53
An "expert marksmen". former9thward Nov 2013 #98
Your name wouldn't happen to be Richard, would it? n/t ieoeja Nov 2013 #99
I guess that is an inside joke because I don't get it. former9thward Nov 2013 #100
Oswald never attained the rank of Expert shooter in the Marines. stopbush Nov 2013 #112
Thru the maple trees? FogerRox Nov 2013 #121
Let's see you make those three shots in that time period. former9thward Nov 2013 #141
I couldn't, but plenty of people have made those shots, with accuracy stopbush Nov 2013 #152
Ohh, plenty of people. former9thward Nov 2013 #158
Try reading the WCR - you might not come off as such a fool. stopbush Nov 2013 #187
When you have to resort to name calling you lose. former9thward Nov 2013 #190
And do you go through life believing every cheap bromide out there? stopbush Nov 2013 #195
No, I like RFK rejected the Warren Report. former9thward Nov 2013 #196
Wrong again. stopbush Nov 2013 #197
No, I'm not wrong. His son said his father had a different view in private. former9thward Nov 2013 #198
Do we have evidence of RFK saying this? zappaman Nov 2013 #200
Well, I guess it is too late to ask him. former9thward Nov 2013 #201
Do you have evidence his son is telling the truth? n/t zappaman Nov 2013 #203
Do you have evidence his son is a liar? former9thward Nov 2013 #209
You mean Mr Anti-vaccination himself, RFK Jr? stopbush Nov 2013 #204
So his son is a liar according to you. former9thward Nov 2013 #208
Guess so, since as you can see clearly see zappaman Nov 2013 #210
From the link. former9thward Nov 2013 #211
Liar isn't the right word. stopbush Nov 2013 #215
Don't forget lack of evidence "proves" a conspiracy. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #129
No kidding. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #78
Just wondering... moondust Nov 2013 #6
Ever notice how the CTists find it "fishy" that the Dallas Police could nab Oswald so quickly stopbush Nov 2013 #24
Um, The Bombers Were on Video! Oswald Wasn't ProfessorGAC Nov 2013 #183
Oh, the DPD had plenty, especially as they were working with the Fed agencies from the get-go. stopbush Nov 2013 #189
While I never believed Oswald acted alone, something's fishy here. A Marine working on the U2??? Scuba Nov 2013 #10
He was assigned to Atsugi Air Force Base in Japan, home of the U2 spy plane. KurtNYC Nov 2013 #14
I was assigned to Andrews AFB, home of Air Force One. Doesn't mean I worked on it. Scuba Nov 2013 #29
You've never even met Harrison Ford... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #33
Actually, I did, but that's another story. Scuba Nov 2013 #37
Were you involved in air traffic control like Oswald was? nt hack89 Nov 2013 #51
He didn't "work" on the U2 hack89 Nov 2013 #50
Or getting to go to the USSR and come back as if nothing happened Rex Nov 2013 #167
And when, exactly, did you read the WCR? stopbush Nov 2013 #227
I'm sorry, but that is all you keep saying over and over again to people. Rex Nov 2013 #231
Only to people like you whose posts indicate they haven't read the WCR stopbush Nov 2013 #242
Most of those points oswaldactedalone Nov 2013 #11
By your user name there is nothing that could change your mind. former9thward Nov 2013 #94
Not true oswaldactedalone Nov 2013 #185
Um...no Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #12
And the award to most cogent comeback of the day goes to...Spider Jerusalem! randome Nov 2013 #17
Thanks for the factual corrective, not that it will change the minds of the easily duped. stopbush Nov 2013 #18
So Ruby wanted his dog found and cared for. KurtNYC Nov 2013 #21
That's what Ruby did say, after all. stopbush Nov 2013 #25
Ruby's own words regarding a conspiracy. zappaman Nov 2013 #26
Many issues with Howard Brennan's description and account KurtNYC Nov 2013 #19
Brennan didn't say he did. Try reading your own link. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #23
Oswald had no motive? stopbush Nov 2013 #117
Why did Ruby go to the police station armed with a pistol with every intent on coming back? Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #52
Because he went armed everywhere? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #59
Good question.. zappaman Nov 2013 #60
Ruby went to the police station several times after Oswald had been arrested as my post# 55 Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #69
Ruby went to the police station all the time. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #71
Yes Ruby associated with the police and the mafia and what do the cops do Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #73
... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #75
Security was lax even for that day and age especially considering the prisoner they held. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #96
Here are some other interesting tidbits about Ruby. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #55
Here are some interesting tidbits about the Mafia and the CIA. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #58
Which has exactly what to do with Oswald? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #63
I'm not disputing that Oswald was the gun man. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #103
He had connections to a Russian emigre in Dallas. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #107
Thats pretty much my impression. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #160
Thanks. n/t cynatnite Nov 2013 #122
Forget Oliver Stone, The Kentucky Fried Movie knew the score. JVS Nov 2013 #125
Great. So what's the alternative theory? nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #22
Mere mystery mongering. longship Nov 2013 #31
Oswald was not unusual. heckles65 Nov 2013 #41
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #91
It's not just history, either. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #44
I could not have said it better. nt longship Nov 2013 #61
Theres a whole lot of wrong in your post. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #43
The timing on the U2 stuff fits perfectly and is not disputed. KurtNYC Nov 2013 #87
I never read the WC report either maindawg Nov 2013 #48
Wrong on the facts, my friend. stopbush Nov 2013 #56
The Warren Commission deaniac21 Nov 2013 #62
as you can CLEARLY see... zappaman Nov 2013 #64
Bush or Don Draper. Hard to tell from that old photo. :) stopbush Nov 2013 #113
Yes: "I believe that Kennedy was murdered for the same reason and by the same people who murdered... villager Nov 2013 #127
America Declassified MFM008 Nov 2013 #65
"a flash and smoke"? zappaman Nov 2013 #67
Is this the guy in the RR signal tower, Lee Bowers? KurtNYC Nov 2013 #104
Yes but, meanit Nov 2013 #108
Albert Schweitzer College & the L'Abri Fellowship MinM Nov 2013 #66
AP story linking Lee Harvey Oswald with Jack Ruby MinM Nov 2013 #256
one fact the lone gunman conspirators wont touch reddread Nov 2013 #76
What about him? zappaman Nov 2013 #80
yeah, you really cant cope with his relationships. reddread Nov 2013 #86
What about him? n/t zappaman Nov 2013 #89
you must be happy to see me reddread Nov 2013 #90
Not sure what you're saying, so maybe you are confused. zappaman Nov 2013 #92
stop toying with him, that's mean. dionysus Nov 2013 #111
That he smelled bad in Zurich? Rex Nov 2013 #191
Wow. A new level of idiocy, even for the JFK CTists. stopbush Nov 2013 #119
you got me reddread Nov 2013 #120
It's no great feat to get you. But truth is more important here at DU than your BS. stopbush Nov 2013 #123
The lone gunman CANNOT be a conspiracy NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #101
a group of people propping a cover story for all their worth is reddread Nov 2013 #106
Move along folks, nothing to see here ... former9thward Nov 2013 #82
OK, I'll bite Retrograde Nov 2013 #114
He has to be driven everywhere or take the bus KurtNYC Nov 2013 #136
He had feet, didn't he? Retrograde Nov 2013 #175
FACT: Policeman ID'd Oswald having a Coke in the lunch room about a minute after the shootings. Octafish Nov 2013 #115
and Victoria Adams and Sandra Stiles use the same set of stairs that Oswald would have KurtNYC Nov 2013 #139
Accidental History:The Girl on the Stairs by Barry Ernest Octafish Nov 2013 #140
Actually 74-90 seconds....so more than a minute. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #148
That must be why I said ''about'' and said 90 seconds in the post. Picture this... Octafish Nov 2013 #150
Nothing in the diagram excludes him as the shooter. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #155
Right. The diagram is to show how how far the Warren Commission goes to pin it on Oswald. Octafish Nov 2013 #163
What's so difficult in traversing that distance in a minute and a half? stopbush Nov 2013 #219
Aha! zappaman Nov 2013 #221
And yet another Octafish JFK CT "fact" bites the dust. eom stopbush Nov 2013 #224
Actually no... zappaman Nov 2013 #225
Minsk is not a snowy hellhole. At least not by Soviet standards. JVS Nov 2013 #116
IMO the biggest cause of CTs treestar Nov 2013 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #126
11. There's solid evidence of Oswald being a CIA tool. bluedeathray Nov 2013 #134
Motive: he was a Russian agent. Rex Nov 2013 #138
The Russians wouldn't have him. The Cubans wouldn't have him. The CIA wouldn't have him. duffyduff Nov 2013 #146
Thats pretty much it. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #149
That sounds like an outrageous conspiracy. Rex Nov 2013 #165
Sure right, that is actually far less believable. Rex Nov 2013 #162
Nobody admits to associating with their agents. JVS Nov 2013 #170
The desperation to push him as a 'lone wolf' looks absurd so many decades later. Rex Nov 2013 #172
Its where all evidence points. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #176
So where is your mountain of proof? You provide nothing. Rex Nov 2013 #179
What kind of Russian agent gets trained in a toaster factory? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #151
How do you know that is what they were doing? Rex Nov 2013 #164
I agree Oswalds case is unusual. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #181
Well you go on and believe what the USSR wanted you to believe. Rex Nov 2013 #232
No case has been more examined and picked over. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #234
"What American goes to the USSR during the height of the Cold War, comes back like nothing happened" JVS Nov 2013 #168
Yes maybe a double agent. Rex Nov 2013 #169
I agree. When someone performs an assassination, there's little incentive for his... JVS Nov 2013 #173
Theres a tremendous amount of evidence he was a loner and loser. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #177
None what so ever. None. Rex Nov 2013 #178
Lots of misinformation and falsehoods in that post. duffyduff Nov 2013 #144
If you want to believe that Ruby shot Oswald and spent the rest of his life in prison KurtNYC Nov 2013 #157
For fucks sake, people murder for a lot less reasons. You people.... Logical Nov 2013 #161
Yeah and you people crack me up. Rex Nov 2013 #166
Yeah, John Wilkes Booth didn't do it either. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #153
LOL, thats how silly the CTists sound. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #182
While I Can't Completely Disagree... ProfessorGAC Nov 2013 #184
The CTs generally fall into 2 categories... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #186
Zapruder believed the fatal head shot came from behind him KurtNYC Nov 2013 #193
and he's an expert in what??? cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #249
Did John Wilkes Booth act alone? JVS Nov 2013 #192
Actually, no, but that's a whole different topic Retrograde Nov 2013 #194
He and a handful of conspirators.....yet many believed, and still do, that the leaders of the South cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #250
George DeMohrenschildt was friends with Oswald and Poppy Bush Octafish Nov 2013 #199
How do you know Bush and DeMohrenschildt were friends? zappaman Nov 2013 #202
Bush's name, kids' names, personal info was in De Mohrenschildt's address book. Octafish Nov 2013 #205
George DeMohrenschildt knew the Bouvier family when Jackie Kennedy was a child zappaman Nov 2013 #206
Yeah. Interesting how you find that a source of amusement, zappaman. Octafish Nov 2013 #214
I don't find JFK's assassination or anything about it a "source of amusement" zappaman Nov 2013 #216
And they were such good friends Bush refused to help him. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #217
Since deM and Bush were both in petroleum business HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #212
Right on Camballo Nov 2013 #207
Does Bugliosi explain why John Connally contradicts the Magic Bullet theory? KurtNYC Nov 2013 #222
Here's what I found regarding the Connally perception v. the single bullet evidence Camballo Nov 2013 #226
I started this thread to talk about why the large majority doubt parts of the WCR KurtNYC Nov 2013 #229
"Any valid theory of the assassination must account for ALL of the evidence" zappaman Nov 2013 #230
Any exception to a theory or hypothesis, disproves the hypothesis. KurtNYC Nov 2013 #241
Oops... Camballo Nov 2013 #238
Actually, Connally was correct in thinking he had been hit by the second bullet fired. stopbush Nov 2013 #245
Wow this proves Springslips Nov 2013 #213
Conspiracy theories: stopbush Nov 2013 #223
Too funny! Rex Nov 2013 #233
Anti-intellectuals Springslips Nov 2013 #263
Nixon to multiple aides on Jack Ruby. roamer65 Nov 2013 #235
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2013 #243
#2 is pretty funny undeterred Nov 2013 #246
And Oswald never regained consciousness after Ruby shot him. stopbush Nov 2013 #247
"1. No Motive." Oswald was a strange man, with a history of strange behavior. It is unrealistic struggle4progress Nov 2013 #251
Fool me once, maybe, but seven times? Forget it. ucrdem Nov 2013 #252
1 & 2: Aside from Oswald, assassins and attempted assassins of politicians have known motives, KurtNYC Nov 2013 #253
11. Forget the physical evidence. BootinUp Nov 2013 #254
I was 7 in 1963 and Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #262
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