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Tarheel_Dem

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2. I don't have a metaphorical dog in the fight between the HRC & EW factions here at DU. However, I..

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 07:04 PM

Nov 2013

truly believe that HRC is our best chance to hang on to the White House after Obama. I don't see EW taking down a Chris Christie. We may very well lose the Senate in 2014, and the WH may be the only thing standing between us & total dominance of the rightwing. My fear is that any gains we've made can be quickly reversed if the WH & Senate turn GOP.

Since EW has already said she's not running, and HRC has made no declarations, I am much more concerned about the 2014 midterms. Will EW be able to pull independent and Republican votes? She benefited, significantly, from the coattails of Pres. Obama. Can she actually win an election with her name at the top of the ticket? And since she's expressed no desire to run, does she really have that fire in her belly? Bernie Sanders sure doesn't.

The one advantage I think that HRC has over EW is that she brings instant gravitas to the top of the ticket, and I believe she'll put some traditionally (non-liberal) red states in play.

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It would be easier for me to get excited about Elizabeth Warren [View all] pnwmom Nov 2013 OP

I think she could sharp_stick Nov 2013 #1

I don't have a metaphorical dog in the fight between the HRC & EW factions here at DU. However, I.. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #2

How about Clinton/Warren together :0) DonRedwood Nov 2013 #5

Look, I'll vote for the eventual nominee, but I think the VP should be someone with Executive... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #7

He's just plain awesome to me. His family background, lovely wife and adorable daughter, committed libdem4life Nov 2013 #14

I couldn't agree more. I think he has an awesome future ahead of him, and I hope it begins a..... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #17

I remember the first time I saw them interviewed, one of them joked that the only way to tell them libdem4life Nov 2013 #18

He's already publicly refused to be considered for either Pres. or VP in 2016. Chan790 Nov 2013 #19

Now you went and gave me a sad. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #29

Another V.P. possibility is Gary Locke, two-term popular governor of Washington, pnwmom Nov 2013 #23

I've said it many times but I'll say it again: Governor Martin O'Malley. PragmaticLiberal Nov 2013 #48

Julian Castro is a FANTASTIC candidate. But at the risk of totally ruining bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #37

I think that is a great idea Lns.Lns Nov 2013 #33

I believe HRC has another large advantage over EW. pnwmom Nov 2013 #22

Ditto! She doesn't have to introduce herself. I don't think there's anything people don't know. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #24

But principle matters as much as electability. Ken Burch Nov 2013 #50

A candidate who won't survive the general election won't do us any good. pnwmom Nov 2013 #52

Not one that would be open to bombing Middle Eastern countries. Ken Burch Nov 2013 #55

Seattle isn't predictive of anything nationally. pnwmom Nov 2013 #56

I'm much more confident Warren can win than Hillary. Scuba Nov 2013 #3

Do you have anything in the way of scientific proof that "She has the ability to motivate the base" Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #10

Yes, check out her fundraising record. Scuba Nov 2013 #15

That's it. That's your empirical evidence that she "motivates the base"? If that's the case..... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #20

Does Warren motivate you? Scuba Nov 2013 #21

About as much as Dennis Kucinich. Nice lady. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #26

Good that we know where you stand. Scuba Nov 2013 #30

She will stand up to the banks and Wall Street DonRedwood Nov 2013 #4

How's Chris Christie polling in confederate states? JaneyVee Nov 2013 #6

times are different, Obama would not have won in those days JI7 Nov 2013 #8

why do you want another Republican Democrat? yurbud Nov 2013 #9

I don't. I want a Democrat who will beat the real Republican pnwmom Nov 2013 #25

they don't have to be perfect--they just have to differ from Republicans on economic and foreign yurbud Nov 2013 #34

You don't think Obama differs much from Republicans? pnwmom Nov 2013 #35

I've been paying very close attention, especially since I teach at a public college and my wife yurbud Nov 2013 #39

i completely agree with you about the failures of education reform. pnwmom Nov 2013 #40

it is not even the number that matters. It is the specific issues and the harm done in each yurbud Nov 2013 #41

The country isn't John Wayne hawkish anymore. Ken Burch Nov 2013 #51

Goldwater suffered a similar trouncing. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #11

Me too gopiscrap Nov 2013 #12

Mondale did not even take Massachusetts hfojvt Nov 2013 #13

Why do you assume Hillary would be a Bill clone? Isn't it possible pnwmom Nov 2013 #27

btw, it couldn't be more obvious that this is all about Hillary for you cali Nov 2013 #43

It's all about winning for me. pnwmom Nov 2013 #44

The comment that she lacks the "fire in the belly" resonated with me. There is a level of libdem4life Nov 2013 #16

I would LOVE to see her on the SCOTUS, and I think that's a much better pnwmom Nov 2013 #28

Just imagine, we could have both of them doing what they do best...driving the Republicans libdem4life Nov 2013 #32

I am in the same place. I never MineralMan Nov 2013 #31

She has said she isn't running BainsBane Nov 2013 #36

Slow news cycle. Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #49

Yeah, I was pretty heartbroken about that too. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #38

for pity's sake. how much more are you going to beat this very dead horse with the McGovern cali Nov 2013 #42

Eagleton. nt DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #45

One, she won't be running against Nixon's campaign team Ken Burch Nov 2013 #46

It's a very different world. HuckleB Nov 2013 #47

In 72 we still had a middle class Butch McQueen Nov 2013 #53

A few decades and a lot of water under the bridge have passed Armstead Nov 2013 #54

I think George McGovern was a strong candidate. LWolf Nov 2013 #57

What I hate is having to vote for the "lesser of evils." alarimer Nov 2013 #58

In effect, what you are saying is: kentuck Nov 2013 #59

This isn't the 60s or 70s. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #60