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Violet_Crumble

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360. And no-one's got any right to tell me to keep my opinion to myself when it comes to my daughter...

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:30 AM

Nov 2013

See, I didn't keep it a secret from my mum when I was pregnant and was considering an abortion. She had her opinion and went on to support me 100% in my decision. If I'd had an abortion, she was going to come with me, and when I decided to go ahead with the pregnancy she was there for me. That's the sort of relationship I have with my daughter now, and I find it totally bizarre that people would expect her to keep it quiet when we're open about everything else...

Personally I think the reactions of some here to the OP are really OTT and trying to portray them as an anti-choicer when they're not. Originally I didn't agree with Skinner's stance on allowing people with anti-choice views on DU because I thought it was a clear red line. But reading this thread has made me realise that some people want to blur that line and paint people as antichoicers who aren't, and that sucks...

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I think people should, in general, choose not to have abortions [View all] el_bryanto Nov 2013 OP

I give you credit for your guts... PCIntern Nov 2013 #1

I ran into that same problem ann--- Nov 2013 #2

Not your business to discourage family members. Their choice, not yours. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #48

all hypothetical baloney elehhhhna Nov 2013 #81

I'd have the baby for them! rbixby Nov 2013 #156

Yes, it is ann--- Nov 2013 #394

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Women handle an abortion HERVEPA Nov 2013 #395

If you love them and want what's best for them, you should keep you nose out of their business. MadrasT Nov 2013 #397

Pro choice means just that .. choice. ananda Nov 2013 #76

They have a right to choose against abortion for themselves. boston bean Nov 2013 #90

Making a choice "for yourself" doesn't mean making it free from all input from anyone else. Silent3 Nov 2013 #267

Limiting choice and shaming women is NOT pro choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #268

I hardly consider offering an opinion to be "limiting" or "shaming" Silent3 Nov 2013 #285

I suppose you feel this way about civil rights, gay rights? boston bean Nov 2013 #286

Can you give me an example... Silent3 Nov 2013 #303

Well, abortion is about woman autonomy and agency. boston bean Nov 2013 #307

Abortion isn't that simple -- even if for well-motivated reasons you want it to be Silent3 Nov 2013 #312

The law is very clear on when women can access an abortion boston bean Nov 2013 #314

Are you saying you're fine with the laws (at least the more liberal ones... Silent3 Nov 2013 #323

No I am not fine with any restrictions on abortion which seek to undermine boston bean Nov 2013 #324

I think we should follow Canada's lead - ZERO laws/restrictions. None. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #325

Even without criminal laws, there are "CMA policy and guidelines"... Silent3 Nov 2013 #337

of course, ffs. trust. them. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #339

That kind of trust isn't out of line with the OP for this thread. n/t Silent3 Nov 2013 #342

I don't see it that way. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #343

OK. Right now there is at least one person somewhere on a donor waiting list who needs idwiyo Nov 2013 #318

Merely expressing, as in the OP... Silent3 Nov 2013 #321

It's trying to shame and guilt-trip them into becoming one. It's about maintaning a stigma, idwiyo Nov 2013 #335

What percentage of abortions are late-term and why are they performed? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #322

Laws have to cover unusual circumstances. Silent3 Nov 2013 #328

trust women. There should be zero restrictions. None. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #329

K&R idwiyo Nov 2013 #345

find me a late term abortion ever, that did not have to do with health of mom or health seabeyond Nov 2013 #333

pisses me off almost always men arguing abortion bring in the late term nonsense. seabeyond Nov 2013 #336

I agree with your position. One can be personally against abortion while being pro choice. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #221

If it's personal to a woman so should the feelings we all have about it. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #3

Any of us could have been aborted; you're not the only one. Brickbat Nov 2013 #4

That's true - but I think you look at it differently when you know, 100%, your Birth Mother el_bryanto Nov 2013 #5

My wife gave up her daughter to adoption when she was a teenager. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #347

I fail to see what your mother not wanting you has to do with abortion? She made a choice. Other OregonBlue Nov 2013 #373

+1. I was an unplanned child. My parents never made any secret of it. n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #6

People are sick and tired of being told they are "immoral" or evil for wanting an abortion. ieoeja Nov 2013 #7

I suppose because it feels dishonest. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #9

Double down... procon Nov 2013 #8

I agree with you LiberalEsto Nov 2013 #10

Do you know for sure that you all were unwanted pregnancies..because some very young girls would.. Tikki Nov 2013 #11

From what I understand that is my Brothers situation el_bryanto Nov 2013 #12

You have never connected with your birthmother, pretty hard to be 100% then.. Tikki Nov 2013 #13

I agree with you. My grandmothers baby was stolen from her notadmblnd Nov 2013 #222

So you don't know if you were unwanted. Your birth mother may have had a terminal illness riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #86

Why do you think what you think should matter. boston bean Nov 2013 #14

+1 leftstreet Nov 2013 #16

Is how people vote my business? Or am I allowed to have an opinion on how people should vote? nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #17

ah yeah you can have an opinion. boston bean Nov 2013 #18

Can I express that opinion? nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #19

I don't want to hear about your opinion on abortion boston bean Nov 2013 #21

Of course you are - this is a discussion board el_bryanto Nov 2013 #25

Make no doubt about it, your personal opinion on abortion boston bean Nov 2013 #44

And, if I understand you correctly, people who have that opinion should keep it to themselves el_bryanto Nov 2013 #50

What I am saying is your OP is hard to equate with anything boston bean Nov 2013 #52

So Pro Choice, to you, is a matter of having the right opinion about abortion el_bryanto Nov 2013 #55

Pro choice to me means keeping my nose out other womens choices. boston bean Nov 2013 #60

I guess I see two issues here el_bryanto Nov 2013 #65

People who are pro choice don't say they think women, in general, should not boston bean Nov 2013 #69

OK I think I understand where you are coming from el_bryanto Nov 2013 #72

To be pro choice one knows the decision they make is for THEMSELVES boston bean Nov 2013 #75

Thank you for clarifying. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #78

You're welcome. Now may I ask why you chose to write "people" instead of "women" boston bean Nov 2013 #100

I should probably have written women on reflection el_bryanto Nov 2013 #101

Should we also allow posters to tell us about how they don't think gays should get married? Zorra Nov 2013 #94

I suspect they'd accuse me of being a baby-murderer for believing that Abortion should be legal el_bryanto Nov 2013 #96

thank you PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #106

I see ant union shit all the time here Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #186

You don't *have* to keep it to yourself. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #213

I don't - I welcome discussion nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #224

Good. That's what I like to hear. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #228

There is no discussion TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #340

Sorry, but I don't entirely agree... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #354

Oh for heaven's sake, that's your DAUGHTER TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #359

And no-one's got any right to tell me to keep my opinion to myself when it comes to my daughter... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #360

the only blurring of the lines I see is how some are pushing boston bean Nov 2013 #363

If you didn't want to hear his opinion, why post on the thread. vaberella Nov 2013 #327

I clicked on it and read it. boston bean Nov 2013 #330

Fine, but you said you didn't want to hear his opinion. Then ignore it.n/t vaberella Nov 2013 #332

It's a response. I'll do as I please within the bounds of what Is acceptable on DU. boston bean Nov 2013 #334

Sure you can procon Nov 2013 #45

I feel like my OP made it very clear where I stand on that. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #49

I applaud Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #137

irrational. of course, women are irrational. one womans issue you have supported? seabeyond Nov 2013 #166

I am 100% Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #168

I think he was just being honest BB tkmorris Nov 2013 #23

Indicating that choices have consequences does not invalidate the right to make the choice. sibelian Nov 2013 #64

Great comment get the red out Nov 2013 #103

people have opinions and they have every right to express those opinions cali Nov 2013 #202

You would be banned for saying you don't think gays should marry or adopt PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #218

not analogous. The OP made it clear that he supports abortion rights cali Nov 2013 #376

If this OP read: "I think, in general, gay people should not adopt children" PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #377

+1. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2013 #391

There were millions of abortions before abortions were legal frazzled Nov 2013 #15

As a medievalist, I can say that there were recipes, etc in manuscripts to help women anneboleyn Nov 2013 #209

Your expression of great concern about what you think women should do is duly noted. Zorra Nov 2013 #20

I've done that - but would take us pretty far afield to open that in this discussion. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #26

Too much discussion on Abortion dem in texas Nov 2013 #22

that's just DU for you, hahahah cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #24

Hmmmm... Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #27

Of course, I always tell the truth on message boards cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #31

Alright, so then we can't trust you to tell the truth. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #32

So, you lied in order to make some sort of point, because your feelings got hurt on the internet? Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #38

perusing down the thread to this point, we have ever anti feminist cheering the "honesty" of this seabeyond Nov 2013 #167

Well, aren't you a progressive. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #29

Yep....and now starts the labeling.... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #33

You just said you'd vote for an anti-choice candidate NuclearDem Nov 2013 #37

Where did I say that??? cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #43

Oh, it was sarcasm? NuclearDem Nov 2013 #46

Amazingly foolish arguement. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #40

Your post makes me doubt you actually vote pro-choice. People who do support Universal Human Rights idwiyo Nov 2013 #351

I respect your opinion and position. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #28

I appreciate your response el_bryanto Nov 2013 #47

Thanks for the reply. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #59

I recently posted about being an adoptee, and finding my biological kin. My birth mother's mother calimary Nov 2013 #30

Do you mind if I ask... wercal Nov 2013 #56

I hired a woman whose business was "The Adoption Specialist." calimary Nov 2013 #134

My birth family and I found each other on an online adoption search page. Marrah_G Nov 2013 #331

I was assisted by a free adoption search angel me b zola Nov 2013 #371

Thanks fo rthe info wercal Nov 2013 #372

I think, in general, you should keep your opinions on what others do to your damn self. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #34

You're welcome - it's nice to be recognized for ones skills. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #41

Link to last awful one please. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #54

I self deleted it - at PeaceNikki's request, actually el_bryanto Nov 2013 #61

Do you do not make your opinions known here about Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #105

posters would be banned for saying they don't think gays should marry or adopt PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #111

Homosexuality isn't a choice. nt. sibelian Nov 2013 #349

um... did you miss my signature? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #350

Didn't you just give your opinion on what others do ..... ? oldhippie Nov 2013 #207

so.. you're going to stalk me? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #211

No, I'm just going to use your statement to back up some points ... oldhippie Nov 2013 #217

creep. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #219

A little sensitive, are we? oldhippie Nov 2013 #225

Like when someone buys a gun, smokes, chooses to be part of a religion, other personal choices? The Straight Story Nov 2013 #398

If you were aborted you wouldn't know anything so the point is kind of mute snooper2 Nov 2013 #35

I think that given the alternative of having a baby, abortion is the better option NoOneMan Nov 2013 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Nov 2013 #39

A great thing about opinions: just because you're online doesn't mean you have to share your's. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #42

Or read it. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #107

I think some people missed what you wrote nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #51

You've got guts for being honest wercal Nov 2013 #53

I think people should, in general, keep their opinion's about other people's abortions to themselves MadrasT Nov 2013 #57

Shaming is shaming. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #58

Well said! Lars39 Nov 2013 #63

Amen JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #66

That's a well stated argument el_bryanto Nov 2013 #67

yup PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #70

^^^this^^^ progressoid Nov 2013 #108

+1 FreeState Nov 2013 #144

Adding a post here to highlight this excellent point. +10000 nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #158

+1 gollygee Nov 2013 #159

Actually, traditional doctrine was the the fetus was ensouled at the quickening, tblue37 Nov 2013 #197

Thank you for your magnificent argument. If I could K&R your post, I would. n/t myrna minx Nov 2013 #208

+infinity. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #214

Yeah, I pretty much have to agree with this. It sure comes off as shaming even if not meant to be. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #230

Well kudos to you JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #62

Why not type 'As a man I think women should do____? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #68

I don't think that would be an accurate statement of my position, so I chose not to phrase it el_bryanto Nov 2013 #73

I am a woman, and newcriminal Nov 2013 #71

I am disgusted that this passed jury (before my alert) - Can someone post results? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #74

I'd be curious to see those results as well. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #80

no, but the shaming needs to stop PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #89

You yourself don't deserve to be banned. Or at least I haven't seen anything that indicates that. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #234

Yes it is JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #84

What do I need to learn? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #92

Here, PeaceNikki, I was the alerter. Zorra Nov 2013 #104

Thanks for posting this - I was curious nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #112

Honesty and transparency are important, don't you think? nt Zorra Nov 2013 #126

Yes they are. Very important. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #128

Yeah, get back to us when you grow a uterus. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #77

I have a uterus and have had an abortion and I agree with him. When should I get back to you? renie408 Nov 2013 #82

Now is fine. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #88

I think its OK for him to have an opinion about this as long... renie408 Nov 2013 #93

Nothing wrong with that. But anyone else should have the right to tell the OP nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #236

"I think people should, in general, choose not to have blood transfusions." LanternWaste Nov 2013 #79

Thank you for your response el_bryanto Nov 2013 #85

I'd ask a creationist to butt out of a conversation regarding the geological age of the planet... LanternWaste Nov 2013 #113

Exactly! Creationism is a perfect analogy here, for more reasons than one. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #239

Well, yeah, if it is not the exact same opinion as yours, it must be stupid, right? renie408 Nov 2013 #87

True. I was a lot happier and more relieved about the abortion than the blood transfusion. n/t LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #116

Yes! Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #163

Some positions are not opinions, but simple science. And I'll take science over opinions any day LanternWaste Nov 2013 #119

While the OP mentioned being raised religiously, the OP argument wasn't phrased... Silent3 Nov 2013 #284

Oh crap.... katsy Nov 2013 #83

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #240

And you have your answer. When it comes to tolerance, the DU has some glaring issues. renie408 Nov 2013 #91

DU is a community full of passionate people el_bryanto Nov 2013 #95

The "problem" is in how we collectively frame the issue. It's far beyond personal opinion. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #242

This OP seems like an attempt to undermine the right of women to make decisions regarding pregnancy. Zorra Nov 2013 #97

I can categorically state that such was not my intention el_bryanto Nov 2013 #102

Yes, that's it. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #109

You know, we could have all been aborted BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #98

Are you a physician specializing in the reproductive health of women? TBF Nov 2013 #99

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Nov 2013 #135

If you REALLY want to see the number of abortions go down bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #114

You would be banned for saying you don't think gays should marry or adopt PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #115

So you think I should be banned? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #117

yes, I changed my mind. However, I think you're safe PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #120

I'm curious though - what percentage of the Democratic party do you think has an opinion el_bryanto Nov 2013 #123

it doesn't matter . Party platform clearly defined what our common ideals are. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #125

I do intend this to be my last post on the subject el_bryanto Nov 2013 #127

good. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #129

I'm glad to have pleased you at least briefly. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #130

Also - you didn't say that YOU wouldn't have one, you said others should not. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #131

Just out of curiosity Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #139

I would tell them to get the fuck out of legislating PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #141

Well ... Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #142

I am not in her district. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #143

In the post I linked you expressed Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #147

hold your breath PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #149

It does seem to be somewhat like a double standard... Agschmid Nov 2013 #150

When the OP filibusters for 11+ hours for choice, or Wendy Davis posts those words here, PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #170

Would you lobby for banning her from DU? n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #196

That is NOT what you wrote: boston bean Nov 2013 #133

I'm not sure how to respond to this el_bryanto Nov 2013 #136

I read the OP and you think "people" boston bean Nov 2013 #138

OK - I understand that el_bryanto Nov 2013 #146

Real moral questions are compelling and clear; religions only "struggle" when male leadership ego ancianita Nov 2013 #171

This is an interesting argument and well stated el_bryanto Nov 2013 #173

Why should you. It's not in your interests to handle what male theologists have 'tackled' before you ancianita Nov 2013 #182

I apologize for having offended, that wasn't my intention el_bryanto Nov 2013 #189

Thanks. "People" do know that "choose" in relation to abortion is about free will; therefore ancianita Nov 2013 #299

I will have to disappoint you as I have no intention of taking back my OP el_bryanto Nov 2013 #306

I don't think that people who disagree with me are necessarily wrong. They simply haven't convinced ancianita Nov 2013 #316

"Partial birth abortion" is a loaded right wing political term and not a medical term. myrna minx Nov 2013 #235

I apologize - i was using the language at Wikipedia about Biden's political positions el_bryanto Nov 2013 #241

Yes - it's a right wing shaming and political term and not a medical term. myrna minx Nov 2013 #243

I see your point - the right wing has been very successful in pushing their preferred terminology el_bryanto Nov 2013 #245

That's not our decision to make. nt Zorra Nov 2013 #121

So true, allowing anti choice sentiments if it can be categorized as not rude, boston bean Nov 2013 #124

Yes. I'm done, I'm taking a break from DU. My autonomy should not be at issue, and the continual Zorra Nov 2013 #148

I'm sorry to see you go - good luck with your break. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #151

It's my opinion that I should have no opinion about MineralMan Nov 2013 #118

I think women, in general, and specifically, should choose what suits them. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #122

ALL of us "could have been aborted" ... Scout Nov 2013 #132

Yes. My mother had three miscarriages b/n my brother and me. anneboleyn Nov 2013 #212

I wish my mother would have had the option to abort me. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #140

. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #165

Thanks, sweetie pie. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #172

I really feel for you. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #176

I am so sorry! redwitch Nov 2013 #169

Oh yeah. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #178

That is pretty rough el_bryanto Nov 2013 #177

You don't seem to realize that there is a Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #187

I can certainly understand what you are saying. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #192

But the reason you prefer "existing" to "not existing" is because you've had a halfway decent nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #300

Then for you, this has NOTHING to do with Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #355

I don't understand this response el_bryanto Nov 2013 #389

I was born and adopted Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #145

A reminder goes out that what you consider an abortion and what goes on... peace13 Nov 2013 #152

I can understand and respect your opinion, without agreeing with it. Nor do I msanthrope Nov 2013 #153

I salute your bravery Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #154

I like the fact that people are different than women. peace13 Nov 2013 #155

I think people should, in general, mind their own business. Rex Nov 2013 #157

I was adopted through Catholic Charities, back East, during the 60s...so was my older brother.... blueamy66 Nov 2013 #160

Well, I am a woman newcriminal Nov 2013 #161

Why are you so insistent on placing your feelings on others. boston bean Nov 2013 #174

That is not true. newcriminal Nov 2013 #181

No I do not. I understand some women feel sorrow. boston bean Nov 2013 #185

I agree their sorrow should not have a bearing on whether another woman has an abortion or not. newcriminal Nov 2013 #194

It is what is is to each person that has experienced it blueamy66 Nov 2013 #223

I guess I think more of women than you do. newcriminal Nov 2013 #226

What does that mean exactly? boston bean Nov 2013 #229

How I felt? newcriminal Nov 2013 #231

No, what you wrote? boston bean Nov 2013 #232

That I don't think any woman would take something like an abortion newcriminal Nov 2013 #233

having helped hundreds of pregnant get abortions, there is a wide range and for some, yes uppityperson Nov 2013 #244

I wouldn't impart shame on them for getting an abortion. newcriminal Nov 2013 #246

Don't waste your time feeling shame for "them taking it so lightly". blueamy66 Nov 2013 #251

I can waste my time on whatever I choose. newcriminal Nov 2013 #254

Shame on you, then REP Nov 2013 #252

. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #255

I am the one continuesly stating women do not take it lightly. newcriminal Nov 2013 #258

Yet you keep replying to me REP Nov 2013 #259

You replied to me. newcriminal Nov 2013 #261

Are you morally judging women who don't feel like you do about having an abortion? boston bean Nov 2013 #262

I guess you can't read either. newcriminal Nov 2013 #263

I can read. Are you calling them liars? Nt boston bean Nov 2013 #264

Yes newcriminal Nov 2013 #266

Well at least we got to the truth of your feelings..... boston bean Nov 2013 #271

I have stated that the whole time. newcriminal Nov 2013 #273

Nice to have it put so clearly. boston bean Nov 2013 #275

Wow. I need to share that with women I know who "took it lightly". They are liars, according to you uppityperson Nov 2013 #290

What should pregnant women feel when they get an abortion and why should it be difficult for them? uppityperson Nov 2013 #304

Yes, you are and have said that. Those who "take it lightly" you feel shame for. And how can you uppityperson Nov 2013 #289

It *is* birth control. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #265

In the year of 2013, Women of the United States and the rest of *world* should be free myrna minx Nov 2013 #278

"we have the freedom *from* religion in this country" newcriminal Nov 2013 #280

You did say you feel shame for those who "took it lightly". You do judge whether or not uppityperson Nov 2013 #291

So what do you believe women should "go through" to get an abortion? myrna minx Nov 2013 #293

Can you please elaborate on a "flippant way"? Do tell what should I do before I decide to abort. idwiyo Nov 2013 #370

sing it, sister PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #282

You're doing it again! REP Nov 2013 #301

I say "some" do, and you feel shame for them. Incredible. uppityperson Nov 2013 #288

yes newcriminal Nov 2013 #294

You dare judge, shame them, call them liars. Incredible. uppityperson Nov 2013 #298

It's not for anyone BUT women to say whether they take it heavily or lightly.That is the sole point. ancianita Nov 2013 #283

I guess then they would say half-shame, you half-liar? It is incredible, what they are saying. uppityperson Nov 2013 #302

How will you decide who has taken it "so lightly"? Or will you feel shame for them all? uppityperson Nov 2013 #287

It isn't for me to decide. newcriminal Nov 2013 #296

And you are the one doing the judging and shaming. I said "some". eom uppityperson Nov 2013 #297

I don't think anyone has the right to judge until they are in that position newfie11 Nov 2013 #361

Okay. blueamy66 Nov 2013 #248

(Women) "should, in general, choose not to have abortions" chowder66 Nov 2013 #162

I probably do have more thinking to do on this el_bryanto Nov 2013 #164

"I am capable of supporting freedom of speech, for example,... chowder66 Nov 2013 #188

How would one be specific on this issue? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #195

Do or don't dig deeper, post or don't post. It's your choice. nt chowder66 Nov 2013 #198

Thank you. I don't intend to start a post on this again (at least not any time soon). el_bryanto Nov 2013 #199

I see you took admins words as not posting this stuff frequently and as long as you are not "rude" boston bean Nov 2013 #200

I haven't heard from the Admins this time around el_bryanto Nov 2013 #204

I think you hit the nail on the head Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #205

it's NOBODY'S DAMN BUSINESS. a woman & her doctor. spanone Nov 2013 #175

Well, we've managed to totally eliminate all those manbortions. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #179

. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #180

It is no one's business except a woman and Her doctor. everything lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #183

I am against abortion... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #184

I know you're desperately waiting to hear what I think, so here goes: Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #190

Any of us could have been the 30-40% that never Ilsa Nov 2013 #191

My position is that we shouldn't even be having this discussion. PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #193

i know religous folk who vote for gay rights but think homosexuality is immoral La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #201

I think people in general should either support the woman's right to choose or say nothing at all. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #203

+1 idwiyo Nov 2013 #238

Bryant, I understand your point of view and your journey Hekate Nov 2013 #206

If my grandmother hadn't had her abortions, my mother wouldn't exist REP Nov 2013 #210

If my parents hadn't had sex when they did, I wouldn't be alive gollygee Nov 2013 #215

Or to make sure his religious feelings don't get hurt REP Nov 2013 #250

I find it very sad... 3catwoman3 Nov 2013 #216

It's really none of your business at all. we can do it Nov 2013 #220

It is not a decision taken lightly by any woman; most of us, babylonsister Nov 2013 #227

Too bad crap like this OP is allowed to stand. Nice attempt at shaming. idwiyo Nov 2013 #237

Nonsense. I disagree with the OP but as a liberal I value free speech... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #247

"Free speech" doesn't exist on private boards REP Nov 2013 #249

A RIGHT to free speech does not exist here, but the PRINCIPLE of free speech... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #253

... Except when they don't. REP Nov 2013 #256

Yes we know they allow all sorts of opinions regarding women's rights. boston bean Nov 2013 #257

I don't know that they would allow someone to call for abortions to be made illegal el_bryanto Nov 2013 #269

A DUer famously called it "murder" and lives to post. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #272

well I stand corrected - but I'm not sure the right call was made in that case nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #274

I told Skinner that, too. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #277

May I inquire as to his response? boston bean Nov 2013 #279

it's been years... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #281

Bollocks. It's forced-bithers unudulterated bullshit. Would you like same racist shit here too? idwiyo Nov 2013 #308

Nice Straw man. The jury system handles nonsense like that... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #352

Don't try to backpedal now. One either supports "free speech" for all or one is a hypocrite. idwiyo Nov 2013 #368

This is a False Equivalence. Racism is, by definition, irrational. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #374

Oh, and misogyny isn't? It's perfectly rational to have a desire to force one's set of beleifs idwiyo Nov 2013 #375

I am not going to chase your goalposts... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #378

You said you support free speech, but it looks like your support for it covers abortion issue only. idwiyo Nov 2013 #379

Oddly enough, Canada was much later to fully legalize abortion. roamer65 Nov 2013 #260

But they've been 100% without ANY restriction since. None. No criminal, no civil laws restricting. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #276

i do not know what other women should do so i do not even try to suggest. a friend got an seabeyond Nov 2013 #270

Why is this a controversial point? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #292

Because many people believe that by stating this position on this issue el_bryanto Nov 2013 #295

Or, inevitably in such discussions, many believe that in a free and secular society, myrna minx Nov 2013 #313

Well yes - but if you read the OP el_bryanto Nov 2013 #315

Yes, I read your OP as well as your *deleted* poll about whether or not myrna minx Nov 2013 #320

Do you think i'm essentially a dishonest person? el_bryanto Nov 2013 #338

I have absolutely no idea who you are, so who can say? myrna minx Nov 2013 #346

As long as no one advocates for restricting a woman's right to choose, HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #305

My gay boss would agree with you Demobrat Nov 2013 #309

The personal anguish in this decision is enough disincentive on point Nov 2013 #310

I think people should, in general, butt the eff out. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #311

Oh, FFS matt819 Nov 2013 #317

There is no pro abortion/anti abortion. William769 Nov 2013 #319

I am both pro choice and pro life. vaberella Nov 2013 #326

or you could just tell her to do what is best for her and talk about her and her situation. seabeyond Nov 2013 #341

Agreed, when you put it that way. But maybe he could mean that support doesn't equal agreement. ancianita Nov 2013 #348

Uh...I don't believe it's murder. Never said such a thing. vaberella Nov 2013 #384

It odd that while just about everyone here seems to agree that abortion should hughee99 Nov 2013 #344

You have every right to express your opinion and I would not worry about anyone who tries sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #353

I agree. This thread's been a real eye-opener for me... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #357

it is about shaming/guilty. one step away from the forced vaginal probe to shame and guilt seabeyond Nov 2013 #366

The politics of Abortion is very simple for me, Women should have a right to choose and hrmjustin Nov 2013 #356

I think people, in general, should not meddle in other people's medical decisions (nt) Blecht Nov 2013 #358

+infinity!!!!!!! Nt newfie11 Nov 2013 #362

It's none of your business. RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #364

Thanks for all the thoughtful responses - i am taking a few days off from DU el_bryanto Nov 2013 #365

I understand what you are saying. LWolf Nov 2013 #367

el_bryanto Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #369

I'm doing fine - thanks for the concern - i was getting riled up a bit so took some time away el_bryanto Nov 2013 #386

I'm not a fan of abortion either. Birth control solves the issue before it starts johnlucas Nov 2013 #380

"Some lady with no health endangerment issues gets up to 9 months just before delivery & then says.. Scout Nov 2013 #381

Yeah I know birth control fails. That's why I'm not against the option for Abortion. johnlucas Nov 2013 #382

i did read your post Scout Nov 2013 #385

You may have "read" it but you certainly didn't comprehend it johnlucas Nov 2013 #396

you're just digging yourself in deeper, repeating the same nonsense. Scout Nov 2013 #399

Not really. I'm on solid ground actually. And my post makes sense johnlucas Nov 2013 #401

wow - yeah, that's some of the most ridiculous bullshit. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #383

Your subject line seems to have been intended to provoke... Orsino Nov 2013 #387

I don't think we should ever restrict access to abortion, myself. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #388

Maybe you should change the title to WOMEN should not have abortions�since ONLY women can. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2013 #390

That's been noted above and it's a fair cop - I should have used women instead of people. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #392

As an adoptee, I detest the anti-choice people who use me as a poster child for their cause me b zola Nov 2013 #393

I agree. PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #400