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Beacool

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163. Thanks, a voice of reason.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:29 AM
Nov 2013

Point The Second: The piece makes a very compelling case for Senator Professor Warren's staying right where she is. She plainly is developing a powerful sphere of influence among her colleagues without harshing too many delicate mellows there. If she can be a power in the Senate, then she should stay in the Senate, where she can do the most good on the issues she most cares about.

Point The Last: The piece is almost completely about pitting one celebrity female politician against another. It is about dueling personae. Allegedly, it is supposed to be about a rising populist feeling within the Democratic party that might imperil Hillary Clinton's campaign. However, there's very little evidence in the polling to support that proposition, and the fact that Scheiber decides to personify the whole movement in Elizabeth Warren rather gives the game away. (Really, if Warren doesn't run, and I hope she doesn't, then who does this rising power in the Democratic party get behind? Take your time. I'll wait. Tick tock.) All the piece really proves is that the elite press is dying to have another Clinton to chew on. Everybody, including the two women in question and surely the country, deserves better than that.

du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #1
Thanks for the rec. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #146
no one at this time madrchsod Nov 2013 #2
Agreed. Thanks for the response. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #147
Hillary! That's who. oasis Nov 2013 #3
Different goals zipplewrath Nov 2013 #9
I agree with your caution about Warren's overall stance. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #26
DLC = social liberal + fiscal conservative tblue Nov 2013 #38
but Obama ALREADY takes the "part of the 99%" hfojvt Nov 2013 #48
Well said, tblue. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #200
Even Kucinich isn't Kucinich. He works for Faux Noise now. Erose999 Nov 2013 #86
really? but i always liked him. Sheri Nov 2013 #227
None of those three will be running. merrily Nov 2013 #234
So would I. Laelth Nov 2013 #245
No thanks, tired of centrists Marrah_G Nov 2013 #100
+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #156
we can't afford another 3rd way democrat. nt Sheri Nov 2013 #169
Big time K&R..... daleanime Nov 2013 #4
Thanks for the k&r. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #159
great, well reasoned OP cali Nov 2013 #5
Thank you, cali. Laelth Nov 2013 #24
Spotless record yes JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #6
Thanks for the thoughtful response. Laelth Nov 2013 #158
Being a conservative Goldwater Republican in your youth, maybe because your parents merrily Nov 2013 #226
Interesting. Thanks. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #228
After posting, I saw another thread saying she wants the filibuster rule changed. merrily Nov 2013 #230
Looks like she made her switch in 1995. Laelth Nov 2013 #231
I'm more impressed with her challenge on Senate rules. merrily Nov 2013 #232
You make a good point. Laelth Nov 2013 #233
Agree 1000%. 99Forever Nov 2013 #7
Cool. Laelth Nov 2013 #171
Thanks. 99Forever Nov 2013 #203
Looks good on you! n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #204
Oh, and if you haven't done so already ... Laelth Nov 2013 #205
2014 2014 2014 2014 n2doc Nov 2013 #8
You did read it right? zipplewrath Nov 2013 #10
Warren has said she is not interested n2doc Nov 2013 #15
Well, now you're changing a bit. zipplewrath Nov 2013 #18
Look, whatever n2doc Nov 2013 #20
That's kinda what the OP is suggesting zipplewrath Nov 2013 #63
Thanks for this series of posts. Laelth Nov 2013 #217
I am curious why you are offering advice here. It's apparent that you dont share our rhett o rick Nov 2013 #195
That's a popular battle cry but what does it really mean? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #142
i think you're right. they want to silence the left. Sheri Nov 2013 #170
Not sure what's going on. Laelth Nov 2013 #201
if and when you figure it out, let me know. Sheri Nov 2013 #224
good points. Sheri Nov 2013 #11
Me too. Laelth Nov 2013 #174
i'm sick of holding my nose. Sheri Nov 2013 #199
I certainly understand how you feel about that. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #244
Warren is our best chance at getting Christie in the White House Renew Deal Nov 2013 #12
cause we all know a RW bully of the male gender G_j Nov 2013 #17
He was in NJ Renew Deal Nov 2013 #29
HIllary stands for the 99%? bvar22 Nov 2013 #140
I was talking about Elizabeth Warren G_j Nov 2013 #145
+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #243
I fundamentally disagree. Laelth Nov 2013 #22
Pathetic attempt to intimidate Warren supporters. Scuba Nov 2013 #41
It's no attempt to intimidate Renew Deal Nov 2013 #52
Oh please. HappyMe Nov 2013 #43
Bingo! Kahuna Nov 2013 #44
"Clinton has the liberal positions that many DUers seek" hfojvt Nov 2013 #53
What liberal positions are those? NuclearDem Nov 2013 #85
+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #185
Our most recent president was a one term senator too. Erose999 Nov 2013 #89
And 7 years in the State Senate Renew Deal Nov 2013 #94
Yes, but I'm just saying, one term in the Senate is now considered an appropriate spring board. Hell Erose999 Nov 2013 #96
I love Elizabeth Warren but I have to agree with Renew Deal. It's too soon for her to run. Dollface Nov 2013 #110
I love having her as a strong Senator. Laelth Nov 2013 #120
Don't know who but when is AFTER Nov. 2014. hobbit709 Nov 2013 #13
You read the OP right? zipplewrath Nov 2013 #19
You read the reply right? jeff47 Nov 2013 #32
Yes zipplewrath Nov 2013 #56
That would be because those points rely on something he disagrees with. jeff47 Nov 2013 #58
What they ignored zipplewrath Nov 2013 #61
What they ignored was the single sentence where you declared "we must start now" jeff47 Nov 2013 #66
Actually we're close together zipplewrath Nov 2013 #71
+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #219
Dear Senator Warren, bluedeathray Nov 2013 #14
Beautifully said. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #157
Excellent, well reasoned post. It's time to start the 'draft Elizabeth' movement now. Scuba Nov 2013 #16
I've argued for a long time that it's the economic issues that matter. Laelth Nov 2013 #37
Hell yes..... daleanime Nov 2013 #64
The economic issues are vitally important. Whoever can credibly run on a "the game is rigged" winter is coming Nov 2013 #105
I agree. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #116
I want her to stay as my Senator ... meegbear Nov 2013 #21
I don't blame the rude one for that--not one bit. Laelth Nov 2013 #23
"Warren needs time to grow as an elected official." I'm with Renewed Deal. ancianita Nov 2013 #25
Oh come on. HappyMe Nov 2013 #46
I'm not afraid of our losing. I can't stand the media hype of some divide within this party, is all. ancianita Nov 2013 #90
It's not media hype. HappyMe Nov 2013 #92
I think she's letting all the Republican opponents and the GOP policy come out through them. ancianita Nov 2013 #93
Nobody from the GOP or the Dems HappyMe Nov 2013 #99
Understand. HRC handles bullshit. Doesn't mean she should. Now, try to think about the delay -- ancianita Nov 2013 #101
I'm not bitter about anything. HappyMe Nov 2013 #107
Don't worry. We'll get a good primary; better than the GOP idiots deserve, as they slobber over ancianita Nov 2013 #111
Alan Grayson is who moonbeam23 Nov 2013 #27
+++++ 1,000,000,000 n/t Peregrine Took Nov 2013 #113
Yes, but Alan Grayson, whom I admire greatly, is a man. Laelth Nov 2013 #115
She's liberal, she's brilliant, she's articulate lunasun Nov 2013 #28
What Shcheiber's essay shows is that the Democratic Party has moved to the left. Laelth Nov 2013 #42
First Hillary, then Warren. I think that's the best chance we have. nolabear Nov 2013 #30
Assuming Hillary gets two terms, Warren would be 75 during her first campaign. Laelth Nov 2013 #149
Really? I had no idea she was that old! nolabear Nov 2013 #160
Yep. She's only two years younger than Hillary. Laelth Nov 2013 #161
Maybe it's just me, but EC Nov 2013 #31
+1 Dollface Nov 2013 #112
I hear you on that. Laelth Nov 2013 #198
My E-mail to Senator Warren.... Plucketeer Nov 2013 #33
Well said, and thank you! Laelth Nov 2013 #183
Yay! Let's repeat 2010's mistakes again!! jeff47 Nov 2013 #34
I would agree but... zipplewrath Nov 2013 #45
They're working on another inevitability campaign, just like 2008 jeff47 Nov 2013 #50
Came darn close zipplewrath Nov 2013 #54
And you create that "concept" by winning in 2014. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #59
By then, all that helps is Hillary zipplewrath Nov 2013 #62
2014 will have a much larger effect jeff47 Nov 2013 #67
Interesting point zipplewrath Nov 2013 #70
Excellent and intriguing suggestion. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #76
Interesting historical note (six months later). Laelth Aug 2014 #247
And so am I zipplewrath Aug 2014 #248
...then Whom"? libdem4life Nov 2013 #35
I have to agree with you. The real story is that our Dem Party has KoKo Nov 2013 #173
Couldn't have said it better. The "back bench" thought is right on, especially the Progressive one. libdem4life Nov 2013 #190
+1! Recommend KoKo Nov 2013 #191
Thanks for the links zeemike Nov 2013 #36
My pleasure. Laelth Nov 2013 #39
The "It has to be a woman" mantra is code for "It has to be Hillary"... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #40
You may be right about the code. Laelth Nov 2013 #150
Warren would be a dream choice for president Dopers_Greed Nov 2013 #47
Even our corporate overlords can be reasonable from time to time. Laelth Nov 2013 #188
I can appreciate your fervor, but ashling Nov 2013 #49
That does occur to me zipplewrath Nov 2013 #55
Undoubtedly, Senator Warren is very valuable where she is. Laelth Nov 2013 #88
You lost me right here: Wait Wut Nov 2013 #51
Ditto BodieTown Nov 2013 #57
Please see response #68, below. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #72
I certainly understand what you're saying. Laelth Nov 2013 #68
Understood, but... Wait Wut Nov 2013 #73
I hear you. I just wanted to make a couple of things clear. Laelth Nov 2013 #75
Kick for my pick. n/t JimDandy Nov 2013 #60
Thanks for the kick. Laelth Nov 2013 #220
Dems need to take a lesson from the Tea Party lobodons Nov 2013 #65
All of us want to win. Laelth Nov 2013 #138
I support drafting Sherrod Brown, if not him then Russ Feingold both over Warren TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #69
Do you not think that we have a better chance at electoral success ... Laelth Nov 2013 #78
Not really. I'm evaluating candidates on their positions, not their gender. winter is coming Nov 2013 #103
I agree with you in many ways. Laelth Nov 2013 #123
I'd happily vote for Warren, any day. Same goes for any genuine populist. winter is coming Nov 2013 #125
No argument here. Laelth Nov 2013 #128
I don't concern myself with any of that anymore, Laelth. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #144
Fair enough. Laelth Nov 2013 #197
We've got about 2 years to figure this one out nt treestar Nov 2013 #74
I'm not so sure about that. Laelth Nov 2013 #239
Trying to remember late 2006 treestar Nov 2013 #240
Look, I hear you. Laelth Nov 2013 #241
I want a Clinton/Warren ticket. I love Warren but believe Clinton is more electable. I'd also love OregonBlue Nov 2013 #77
Just curious. Laelth Nov 2013 #79
Because I think she has total name recognition and she has the Obama machine behind her. OregonBlue Nov 2013 #121
Interesting and important. Thanks for the response. Laelth Nov 2013 #124
I like Kristen Gillebrand,Howard Dean & mitchtv Nov 2013 #80
I like Howard Dean JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #83
It's not her turn! You shut up! Iggo Nov 2013 #81
LOL. Quite. Laelth Nov 2013 #84
We need to nominate a liberal/progressive. Warren is a good choice as a liberal. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #82
Agreed. We can't afford another 3rd-way President. Laelth Nov 2013 #202
Kamala Harris. nt BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #87
Kamala Harris is an underrated possibility. I like her. Primarying Hillary might be the national ancianita Nov 2013 #91
That's an interesting possibility. Laelth Nov 2013 #114
There's a 15-year age difference between Warren and Harris BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #222
I'd love to see Harris replace Feinstein. Laelth Nov 2013 #223
Bill Richardson-Howard Dean-Amy Klobuchar-Joe Biden-Barbara Mikulski-Patty Murray-Maria Cantwell ieoeja Nov 2013 #95
Cool. At least you gave me some names. Laelth Nov 2013 #119
Howard Dean because he messages well. ieoeja Nov 2013 #177
Ultimately, I agree with you. Laelth Nov 2013 #179
My own letter to Senator Warren. Laelth Nov 2013 #97
You've got your answer from Moulitsas himself. ancianita Nov 2013 #98
Hmm ... Laelth Nov 2013 #104
Nope, he didn't. But many here did. Of course she won't say right now. It's not the time for it. ancianita Nov 2013 #106
I don't need her to declare right now. Laelth Nov 2013 #108
Someone not from MA. nt Deep13 Nov 2013 #102
What's wrong with MA? Laelth Nov 2013 #109
Dukakis, Kerry, Romney. Deep13 Nov 2013 #143
I agree that it's important to win. Laelth Nov 2013 #148
How many rock stars does the Democratic Party have? Deep13 Nov 2013 #206
Oh, I guess that JFK was just a myth and never served as president then? cascadiance Nov 2013 #215
1. pre-Civil Rights and "Southern Push," 2. <1/2 vote per precinct. Deep13 Nov 2013 #221
I'm on board. I see Warren as the best candidate. immoderate Nov 2013 #117
Sweet! Laelth Nov 2013 #167
Thanks! immoderate Nov 2013 #178
Rock! Laelth Nov 2013 #180
Her country needs her. pa28 Nov 2013 #118
Hear, hear! Laelth Nov 2013 #184
Charlie Pierce has made me re-think my all-out support for a Pres. run for her - bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #122
Pierce lost me in his first sentence. Laelth Nov 2013 #127
Sorry, but Scheiber's piece was more about his anti-Clinton sentiments Beacool Nov 2013 #166
OK, now I have read the piece in its entirety. Laelth Nov 2013 #137
On further review, I have to conclude that CP needs to be taken with bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #162
Thanks for the response. Laelth Nov 2013 #164
Oh, you're totally welcome! I'm on board with CP probably 99% of the time, bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #186
I just found myself agreeing with CP 100% on another issue. Laelth Nov 2013 #187
That IS the point, she doesn't want it. Beacool Nov 2013 #165
Thanks, a voice of reason. Beacool Nov 2013 #163
How about someone with fire in his or her belly -- who wants to run. pnwmom Nov 2013 #126
I would love to see that fire. Laelth Nov 2013 #129
But I read that she's already endorsed Hillary. n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #132
I saw that Warren said she supports Hillary running, if she decides to do so. Laelth Nov 2013 #134
This is what I was referring to. Had you heard about it? pnwmom Nov 2013 #135
Yep. I saw that. Laelth Nov 2013 #136
That's what I keep saying. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #130
Cool. Thanks for the response. Laelth Nov 2013 #181
I can respect this OP.... brooklynite Nov 2013 #131
Thanks for the response. Laelth Nov 2013 #133
"If not Warren, then whom?" PragmaticLiberal Nov 2013 #139
Revolutions take time; the status quo can be had in an instant MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #141
My pleasure, Manny. Laelth Nov 2013 #154
I like her alot quaker bill Nov 2013 #151
Whoever the anti-Hillary might be customerserviceguy Nov 2013 #152
Solid analysis. Thanks for the post. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #153
I don't want to narrow the field at this point LWolf Nov 2013 #155
I don't know a lot about Donna Edwards. Laelth Nov 2013 #218
Dec 2014. There are many qualified candidates, she is no more anointed than HRC is. nt La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #168
Sure, but my question stands. Laelth Nov 2013 #172
whomever actually declares their candidacy? I am not going to pretend that i know of every potential La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #175
I am not trying to pick a fight. Laelth Nov 2013 #176
She'd be an awesome President, and I think she will be. riqster Nov 2013 #182
I agree that Elizabeth Warren can win in 2016. Laelth Nov 2013 #193
Thanks for the tip and the thread. riqster Nov 2013 #209
My pleasure. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #210
Who? Somebody who wants to run. When? after the 2014 midterms scheming daemons Nov 2013 #189
I hear you. Thanks for the kick. Laelth Nov 2013 #192
I don't think a Presidential candidate can be "recruited" or "drafted" scheming daemons Nov 2013 #194
Yes, but many won't run unless they feel wanted enough by being "drafted"... We've "drafted" before cascadiance Nov 2013 #214
+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #242
And she'd capture the Native American vote Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #196
Almost every candidate says they're not running this early in the game. Courtesy Flush Nov 2013 #207
That is my hope. Laelth Nov 2013 #211
She stands up the Banksters. Octafish Nov 2013 #208
My pleasure. Laelth Nov 2013 #212
2015 SoCalDem Nov 2013 #213
Thanks for the kick. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #216
+100000 I agree with you that she would be a formidable candidate. woo me with science Nov 2013 #225
Agreed. Thanks for the response. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #235
Would be great if she ran Armstead Nov 2013 #229
Agreed. Laelth Nov 2013 #237
Hillary 2016 jpak Nov 2013 #236
I fundamentally disagree. Laelth Nov 2013 #238
christie? no way this nation is electing that guy. Sheri Nov 2013 #246
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