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Plucketeer

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19. I'd like to THINK we're at a tipping point

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:38 AM

Nov 2013

but I've got nagging doubts. The TPP reeks of Clinton (either one) and the secrecy of it is a slap to the faces of the myriad folks who'll suffer it's consequences. The secrecy of it is but one facet of this thrust to level the world economic arena. Already we're seeing some jobs being brought BACK to our shores now that there's a workforce desperate enough to do ANY sort of work for ANY sort of wages. THAT'S been the aim of the game for decades. And you watch - the PTB and their corporate owners are gonna CROW about how they've led the charge to bring jobs back to this country. And the rubes of this nation (and we're not just talking Tea-Baggers here) are gonna grin broadly and profess that we do indeed live in "the greatest nation on earth".

Hats off to Wikileaks for letting those most impacted get a clear look at the the guillotine blade just before it drops.

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HEADS UP: Wikileaks Leaks Key TPP Documents [View all] WilliamPitt Nov 2013 OP

Kick! BuelahWitch Nov 2013 #1

A kick to later review. Thanks. myrna minx Nov 2013 #2

Occultist TPP strategery undone Berlum Nov 2013 #3

... Scuba Nov 2013 #4

du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #5

K&R Fumesucker Nov 2013 #6

K&R G_j Nov 2013 #7

There cannot possibly be a sane defense of the TPP. Said it before. djean111 Nov 2013 #8

No but you can be sure they will present one anyway. zeemike Nov 2013 #14

of course you are surprised� ideologues can't fathom how people are able to support a politician, KittyWampus Nov 2013 #52

That's a strange thing to say. The poster most certainly can "fathom that people can rhett o rick Nov 2013 #77

Check in the BOG. I'm sure there will be some multidimensional chess going on. L0oniX Nov 2013 #17

Not yet... malokvale77 Nov 2013 #81

"Blue Dog bubbas" they'll say, without an iota of irony MisterP Nov 2013 #57

The true defense is: World-wide Fascism. The proffered one will be "Trade helps everybody." WinkyDink Nov 2013 #110

I don't know how to move a post so i posted a link to my previous comment that sheds some light kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #113

thank you wikileaks larkrake Nov 2013 #9

K&R ReRe Nov 2013 #10

Good luck. I got about 1/3 of the way through it before my eyes started to bleed. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #23

Ha! I didn't even get that far.... ReRe Nov 2013 #48

You can bet your bippy that's intentional Berlum Nov 2013 #65

Not even 3 paragraphs into it and had to look up fasttense Nov 2013 #108

Can't wait Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2013 #72

No, MSM is not the place you'll find news about this.... ReRe Nov 2013 #84

Papantino did an excellent expose...and discusses what to expect from the MSM... adirondacker Nov 2013 #105

Overview from EFF jtuck004 Nov 2013 #95

Thanks for reminding me of... ReRe Nov 2013 #102

Got it 90-percent Nov 2013 #11

+1 progressive L0oniX Nov 2013 #15

I'd like to THINK we're at a tipping point Plucketeer Nov 2013 #19

Excellent point made here and this should be everywhere so that people who are not sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #25

+1 tofuandbeer Nov 2013 #46

Ross Perot predicted the return of jobs to the USA... bvar22 Nov 2013 #116

He was so right. Now I understand why they were afraid of him. And I completlely understand why sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #117

Enough meowing ... it's time to roar! Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #37

Thank you Wikileaks.. nenagh Nov 2013 #12

Thank God for leakers. K & R ...d/l'd and posted to FB. L0oniX Nov 2013 #13

Kick northoftheborder Nov 2013 #16

k&r for exposure. I am very suspicious of the TPP. It's nice to get some info. on it. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #18

K & R for exposure Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #20

Hey all Warren supporters! Make sure she is cadaverdog Nov 2013 #80

K&R Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2013 #21

It's pretty clear why Julian Assange had to be accused of rape now, isn't it? MNBrewer Nov 2013 #22

It sure is. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #54

Yes. It was pretty obvious from the start..........nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #62

Assange and Wikileaks split a long time ago. nt jazzimov Nov 2013 #67

That hardly matters. MNBrewer Nov 2013 #68

Really. You've got a link for that? Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #76

Thank you for speaking the truth MNBrewer. This world is a dirty place. Assange, Bradley, Snowden chimpymustgo Nov 2013 #107

Public Citizen already has some analysis up BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #24

That was what I noticed in my 1/3 reading... Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #28

I'll aim for the latter 2/3 then,, to, BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #34

Internet censorship and control is the goal for dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #39

Did so here: Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #64

I know, it's acronym salad, but I asked for the TTIP, not the TPP BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #71

Ah, my mistake. Overworked ... Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #73

K&R They_Live Nov 2013 #26

downloaded ... rtassi Nov 2013 #27

Thanks Will! ljm2002 Nov 2013 #29

Didn't President Obama want the TPP fast tracked? navarth Nov 2013 #30

Still does. No amendments, limited debate, straight up-or-down vote. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #33

You mean like let him have it... zeemike Nov 2013 #41

I guess that would fall in the category of screwing over EVERYBODY. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #51

Well Hillary is inevitable don't you know? zeemike Nov 2013 #61

Sorry 'bout that. I accidentally left off the word "inadvertently"... Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #74

It's OK, I think inadvertently was implied. zeemike Nov 2013 #83

well, how else can we keep the rightwards ratchet moving? MisterP Nov 2013 #58

sunlight is the best disinfectant.... mike_c Nov 2013 #31

Kick one in... WCGreen Nov 2013 #32

Recommended. I sure appreciate Wikileaks. Autumn Nov 2013 #35

TPP has me in a fetal position. tblue Nov 2013 #36

This news is Big Fucking Deal Bad on every level. Thank you for forwarding it. ancianita Nov 2013 #38

What! Attention whore Assange is just trying to make Wikileaks look relevant. riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #40

This should be shared far and wide on the internets. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #42

K&R! SaveOurDemocracy Nov 2013 #43

Corporatists say "Sssh... It's an 'agreement', not a 'treaty'! We can't pass a treaty!" cascadiance Nov 2013 #44

Where's the spin control crew? marmar Nov 2013 #45

Whistle Blowers & Wikileaks....Defenders of Democracy bvar22 Nov 2013 #47

I second that emotion. NealK Nov 2013 #94

I hope Wikileaks can get their hands on the rest of the document and soon. K&R pa28 Nov 2013 #49

Why can't Obama call a presser to blow the whistle on this TPP shit? 99th_Monkey Nov 2013 #50

Thank you Wikileaks. Sad that this is the only way to know what our government is doing. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #53

Thanks for the post LiberalLovinLug Nov 2013 #55

, blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #56

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #59

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #60

K&R! Stop these infernal trade agreements! Enthusiast Nov 2013 #63

Huge K&R. This administration and Congress are trying to hide the looting woo me with science Nov 2013 #66

Outstanding! 2banon Nov 2013 #69

Thread SEVEN hours old; not a single bot has dared show its face! Divernan Nov 2013 #70

One did... malokvale77 Nov 2013 #78

You're right - I didn't catch that one - but she didn't attempt to defend Obama's position. Divernan Nov 2013 #82

I know malokvale77 Nov 2013 #85

Bots are like Sand People. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2013 #104

And a another one below. idwiyo Nov 2013 #89

Oh dear malokvale77 Nov 2013 #92

K & R. dchill Nov 2013 #75

It's interesting that the leaked document is "Chapter QQ" Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #79

K&R stage left Nov 2013 #86

IMO, it's not as bad as people are claiming. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #87

So - higher drug prices and the ability for other countries to sue American cities if they don't djean111 Nov 2013 #115

k&r idwiyo Nov 2013 #88

Thank God TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #90

I'd say I'm surprised, but I'm not. 99Forever Nov 2013 #91

the TPP is a push for Fascism fascisthunter Nov 2013 #93

Not possible. Wikileaks was just one person and he was given the treatment. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #96

I wonder if our friends in Canada have read this... jtuck004 Nov 2013 #97

Recommend jsr Nov 2013 #98

Thanks so much. I downloaded my copy and tomg Nov 2013 #99

K & R Tuesday_Morning Nov 2013 #100

excellent gopiscrap Nov 2013 #101

k&r n/t RainDog Nov 2013 #103

Wikileaks! AzDar Nov 2013 #106

Let's bet on whether they will make it onto network "news." I crack myself up! WinkyDink Nov 2013 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Nov 2013 #111

Thank you, Wikileaks and Julian Assange! snot Nov 2013 #112

Since anyone who questions anything AT ALL that Obama does is now an "ideologue", djean111 Nov 2013 #114