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46. Yes, but why be grateful for our problems?

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What Foxnews does should be illegal. Why isn't it? [View all] Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 OP

First Amendment. Skinner Nov 2013 #1

Then our country is lost Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #10

The only solution to bad speech is more speech treestar Nov 2013 #64

"Speech" costs money. The rich have more. DireStrike Nov 2013 #159

It's a lot better now than it was treestar Nov 2013 #186

I agree with what you say, I've often felt similar, but once the first amendment is RKP5637 Nov 2013 #151

So it should be legal dennis4868 Nov 2013 #19

Who determines what "truth" is? GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #92

And, what's to prevent a repub. admin. from doing the same thing Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #96

No we get the lies from politicians. MythosMaster Nov 2013 #111

IOW, excluded gov't agencies include ALL of them. N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #114

Paranoid much? MythosMaster Nov 2013 #150

Absolutely. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #118

This LittleBlue Nov 2013 #53

hear, hear Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #60

This about covers it. Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #85

I completely agree. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #132

Maybe not what they do, meanit Nov 2013 #138

True, it does trump poor taste and class. Rex Nov 2013 #196

The Zeroth Amendment: Orsino Nov 2013 #204

You know you're going to get '1st Amendment' as a response, don't you? Shrike47 Nov 2013 #2

Or direct people to the internet treestar Nov 2013 #70

It certainly should be illegal to label it "news" (n/t) MissMillie Nov 2013 #3

This was litigated in the early Oughts. riqster Nov 2013 #4

Actually, they won the court case zbdent Nov 2013 #58

not sure it is exactly the way people are representing things reddread Nov 2013 #161

With television available in almost every home or public place, meanit Nov 2013 #141

Yep. History is important-reminding us of how we got here. riqster Nov 2013 #184

The negating... deathrind Nov 2013 #5

Thanks a lot, Ronald Reagan. nt Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #31

FOX is cable, not public airwaves, therefore fairness doctrine doesn't apply. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #95

That is what I said... deathrind Nov 2013 #106

People view FOX because they think it is the news. meanit Nov 2013 #145

Apparently it is illegal... CanisCrocinus Nov 2013 #6

In Canada BainsBane Nov 2013 #8

Not quite. Fox News is available in Canada Captain Stern Nov 2013 #15

This ain't Canada. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #22

I think only Canadians should be thanking their lucky stars for that. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #34

Yes, I'd sure hate to have Canada's problems. Scuba Nov 2013 #39

I agree that there are problems in our country, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #43

Yes, but why be grateful for our problems? Scuba Nov 2013 #46

I never said I was grateful for our problems, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #52

A question: some might conclude you just "lied" about Fox News being illegal in Canada onenote Nov 2013 #123

Goebbels's legacy is alive and well at Fox News. Lint Head Nov 2013 #7

No, it shouldn't be illegal. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #9

No it should not be illegal. MicaelS Nov 2013 #11

I don't mean crackpots shouldn't be able to say whatever they want Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #13

I bet you would really like the idea of a "Journalist License". MicaelS Nov 2013 #37

Nope. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #45

No license or prison. meanit Nov 2013 #147

Who decides who is the crackpot? During the Bush years, all liberals were "crackpots." Dash87 Nov 2013 #56

People who demonstrably push lies repeatedly Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #63

And just who should determine that? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #68

What liberal news orgs.? Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #71

There are plenty of them on the internet, along with blogs and websites, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #75

During the Bush years, we were all liars. Bush's truth became the truth. Dash87 Nov 2013 #81

And we will all be crackpots again when a Republican gets in the WH meanit Nov 2013 #149

I have toyed with idea of requiring them to announce every day that they sometimes lie, Shrike47 Nov 2013 #12

This is my problem with it, exactly. Overwhelm people with falsehoods Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #17

Reasonable people are smart enough to know what's true and what's bullshit, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #33

Factually, many Americans AREN'T smart enough Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #44

The FoxNews ratings are so low, the percentage who watches is under 1%. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #55

Actually, FOX has the highest cable news ratings. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #98

But cable is far below Network broadcast news viewership. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #115

Link? N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #137

Link ieoeja Nov 2013 #144

Thank You. I am better informed now. N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #148

So, you would outlaw Faux Snooze because you think they falsly report the news, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #62

LOL noiretextatique Nov 2013 #102

Notice I said reasonable, I don't consider the teabaggers reasonable. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #105

Fair enough...and agreed. Nt noiretextatique Nov 2013 #157

They sometimes lie? Sometimes? dennis4868 Nov 2013 #26

Our 1st Amendment is both a blessing and a curse. Laelth Nov 2013 #14

So you want to live in a country where news is regulated by the government? No thanks. bowens43 Nov 2013 #16

The news is regulated by the government Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #21

The news is regulated by the Govt? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #47

There are images and video and language even "the news" is Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #49

Words and images, yes, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #54

Boggles the mind doesn't it? Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #65

This is the kind of shit I would expect out of authoritarian regimes, like the now defunct Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #72

It's called the 1st Amendment, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #18

The first amendment is not an unlimited right Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #20

No it is not... dennis4868 Nov 2013 #27

True, but there are very few limitations on free speech, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #29

This isn't about me. I rarely watch it. This is about the public good Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #32

As I said, if you don't like it, and I don't mean you specifically, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #41

Exactly. n/t truedelphi Nov 2013 #129

Fascism... But for the public good... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #117

on politics it is treestar Nov 2013 #66

Journalistc malpractice is not a limiting clasue on the First Amendment. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #23

then kill MSNBC too for the other side of the coin? n/t ProdigalJunkMail Nov 2013 #24

Some shows on MSNBC dennis4868 Nov 2013 #28

Sure. If they can be shown to be misleading Americans with phony facts Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #30

The difference is I don't hear Maddow lie. Puglover Nov 2013 #84

Exactly! Does MSNBC even do "news breaks" with Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #89

Canada wouldnt allow Fox News in- bald-face lying is illegal there ErikJ Nov 2013 #25

They don't know how lucky they are... eom Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #38

Snopes says... Dr. Strange Nov 2013 #51

see post #42 ErikJ Nov 2013 #67

And this is precisely why this kind of law would be bad. Dr. Strange Nov 2013 #88

That was the American Fox News. ErikJ Nov 2013 #116

if such laws were passed - they would be far more likely to be used against progressives than Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #35

Well said. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #69

Courts gave them permission to lie, since it was in the name of entertainment. Sheepshank Nov 2013 #36

Because, freedom. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #40

Regulators Reject Proposal That Would Bring Fox-Style News to Canada ErikJ Nov 2013 #42

Of course they are protected by the first amendment as they should be. They are not protected Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #48

I do agree with you Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #59

" Fox News continues to be the hands-down ratings winner across the board in cable news." Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #73

"Cable" is not "Broadcast" ieoeja Nov 2013 #143

well that does shed a less scary light on the whole thing. I suppose what I find disturbing is the Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #189

I don't agree. Fox News consists of mostly opinions. Opinions should never be illegal. Dash87 Nov 2013 #50

Then FOX news should not be labeled as "news" meanit Nov 2013 #119

Cable, Satellite, Broadcast television, and Network Radio are obsolete. hunter Nov 2013 #57

Cable does not use any bandwidth. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #112

Really now... hunter Nov 2013 #121

Pssst! (Yes, it does ....) oldhippie Nov 2013 #153

It doesn't use public spectrum onenote Nov 2013 #170

Spectrum and bandwidth are two different things ...... oldhippie Nov 2013 #175

Lying is not a crime, Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #61

journalistic malpractice? define please cali Nov 2013 #74

Journalistic malpractice? To lie about facts repeatedly to push agenda Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #76

how is that illegal? cali Nov 2013 #83

To say I am offended as a human by what Foxnews does Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #86

It is contempt for the 1A Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #91

Holy shit. Coming from you, that's just..... remarkable. cali Nov 2013 #139

Done with you. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #140

My only issue with faux noise is that they are labeled news when in fact they are just opinion kydo Nov 2013 #77

Thanks. That's really what I was getting at. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #79

Reinstating the Fairness Doctrine would NOT affect FNC in the slightest way. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #173

You can say what ever you want as long as you don't slander someone liberal N proud Nov 2013 #78

Agree about needing to destroy them. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #80

"Unfortunately, I think there is a segment of the population who WANT to believe their lies" Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #133

Enjoying DU? Especially the gungeon? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #134

Hmmm. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #136

I live in Ecuador. Puglover Nov 2013 #82

A lie can travel around the world before................. ErikJ Nov 2013 #87

Maybe not yours, but what about your other citizens who liked what they wrote? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #93

Not if what was said was libelous Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #94

So you want the media to get gov't approval for anything they say. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #90

You're missing the point. ALL lies whether Pravda, People's Daily, FoxNews Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #97

You truly do not understand the First Amendment. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #100

+ 10,000 n/t truedelphi Nov 2013 #128

Start with politicians. Dr. Strange Nov 2013 #103

^^^THIS^^^ cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #174

No, people who think like you are the problem. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #109

Authoritarian is as authoritarian does. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #99

Thanks for the kick Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #101

a fairness doctrine would prevent most of the abuses we see beachbum bob Nov 2013 #104

I called it malpractice. As in not doing the job journalists are trained to do Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #108

research what newspapers beachbum bob Nov 2013 #142

Absolutely. We had none of these problems when the fairness doctrine was in place BlueStreak Nov 2013 #127

The Fairness Doctrine didn't apply to cable and IMO it shouldn't Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #154

Perhaps not that exact set of restrictions, but some regulation is appropriate BlueStreak Nov 2013 #156

I don't think there's a good public interest argument to apply the Fairness Doctrine to cable Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #162

What's the difference? In either case, you have the option of turning it off BlueStreak Nov 2013 #165

The difference is you wouldn't have MSNBC or FNC if you DIDN'T PAY FOR CABLE. Broadcast TV is free. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #176

I don't pay for Fox. It is forced into my house. I cannot stop that. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #178

It's a meaningless argument unless you are unable to control the urge to tune to FNC. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #181

Do you have an option to buy MSNBC but not buy Fox? BlueStreak Nov 2013 #185

I don't know and I don't care. I don't watch MSNBC, FNC, or ANY other politically oriented channel. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #187

The Fairness Doctrine, as has been pointed out many times, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #193

I assume this isn't a serious question. nt Logical Nov 2013 #107

If you really wanted to get technical Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #110

Fox News Channel (the cable channel referred to by most of the posters) does not have a FCC license. kelly1mm Nov 2013 #190

First Amendment. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #113

They are violating the terms of their license to use our public airwaves Chrom Nov 2013 #120

+1 ErikJ Nov 2013 #125

Fox News Channel does not use the public airwaves ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #180

What license? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #194

For as long as it exists, we have to keep hammering away at Fox's owners' priorities for Americans. ancianita Nov 2013 #122

Good info Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #131

There was no need for this thread to have more than the first reply, onenote Nov 2013 #124

That is funny and ironic of you Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #126

Their highest rated show draws a little more than 1% of the nation Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #130

Let's add to the Patriot Act and fix that problem right now hack89 Nov 2013 #135

The problem isn't the First Amendment, it's the market-based model of journalism in this country markpkessinger Nov 2013 #146

While Canada has an interesting law governing any entity that calls itself "news," we do not Warpy Nov 2013 #152

I'm with Pretzel_Warrior on this one PureProgress Nov 2013 #155

This is a really scary post. delta17 Nov 2013 #166

Wow, your first and you're spouting this nonsense. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #167

This post doesn't bother me onenote Nov 2013 #169

You're a joke. Go away. nt Codeine Nov 2013 #182

THIS... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #188

Yes Catherine Vincent Nov 2013 #158

What they do - saying the stupid shit that they do - is legal. Initech Nov 2013 #160

no more than CNN and CBS and all the rest, though reddread Nov 2013 #163

it can't be. we live in a democracy where your free to lie all you want. spanone Nov 2013 #164

Totally Correct TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #168

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #177

Brilliant post. arcane1 Nov 2013 #183

Is that you, Hannity? What is this, like your 4,000th handle? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #191

Well, you are a great one to speak about caring for this country, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #195

Thanks for kicking my thread, O'Reilly. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #197

Any more insults you want to throw around? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #198

The Right Wing of politics. I'd like to gut that. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #199

Take away my guns? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #200

Thank you for the kick. You need to read Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #201

You don't want a discussion, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #202

reading for comprehension Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #203

How about thinking comprehension? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #205

your original post asked a simple question: why is not illegal for Fox to do what they do onenote Nov 2013 #206

Great post, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #192

For the same reason why Westboro Baptist Church can stand on a street corner... Earth_First Nov 2013 #171

Solution: Make News Media Tax Exempt like Religion ZX86 Nov 2013 #172

corporations give huge money to republicans and sometime Democrats gopiscrap Nov 2013 #179

As the SCOTUS wrote in a unanimous opinion signed by Marshall and Douglas: onenote Mar 2022 #207