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In reply to the discussion: 10 Facts about Lee Oswald that make 70% of Americans Wonder... [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)214. Yeah. Interesting how you find that a source of amusement, zappaman.
You know who really knows a lot about De Mohrenschildt?
Joan Mellen
Joan Mellens Explosive New Book, "Our Man in Haiti," Includes a 1992 CIA Document that Declares Clay Shaw, to Have Been a Highly-Paid Contract Source.
Joan Mellens explosive new book, "Our Man in Haiti: George de Mohrenschildt and the CIA in the Nightmare Republic," includes a 1992 document from the CIAs own History Staff that declares Clay Shaw, to have been a highly-paid contract source.
Walterville, OR (PRWEB) October 30, 2012
Joan Mellens explosive new book, "Our Man in Haiti: George de Mohrenschildt and the CIA in the Nightmare Republic," includes a 1992 document from the CIAs own History Staff that declares Clay Shaw, to have been a highly-paid contract source.
The allegation of Shaw actually being paid by the CIA has been denied for years and was one reason for Shaws acquittal on the charges of conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy that were brought against him by New Orleans District Attorney, Jim Garrison in 1967.
In a November 1969, Penthouse interview, Shaw declared, I have never had any connection with the CIA. Shaw died in 1974. Former CIA Director Helms, in 1979, stated under oath that Shaw had been simply a part-time contact for Agency and had volunteered his information, but this 1992 document clearly states Shaw was highly-paid.
Joan Mellen reveals more in this excerpt from, "Our Man in Haiti":
Later de Mohrenschildt said J. Walton Moore (CIA officer in Dallas) had assured him that it was safe for him to assist Oswald. Following the protocol set for CIA by Allen Dulles that agents or assets or employees are not obliged to tell anyone anything, let alone the truth, that CIA need be loyal only to its own culture Moore would deny he had ever discussed Oswald with de Mohrenschildt. Moore lied too obviously. He insisted that he had met with de Mohrenschildt on only two occasions. One was in the spring of 1958 when the subject was China.
Soon Moore was forced to correct himself. He had interviewed de Mohrenschildt in 1957 after his return from Yugoslavia and had periodic contact with him over the years for debriefing purposes, Moore later admitted. This was standard CIA-speak, the same formulation CIA used for its New Orleans employee Clay Shaw, as CIAs history section finally acknowledged in the 1990s. No one was a CIA asset; businessmen in contact with the Agency were innocent travelers being routinely debriefed. Routinely was another CIA buzz word.
The Shaw example is worth pondering. In 1992, CIAs history component, a section of the Agency devoted to chronicling CIAs own history, would reveal after years of denials, and obfuscation by CIA assets that Shaw was not merely a businessman being debriefed after his travels by CIA. This document declares that Shaw had been a highly paid CIA asset. Issuing from CIAs PROJFILES, it adds: Our survey found nothing in these records that indicates any CIA role in the Kennedy assassination or assassination conspiracy (if there was one), or any CIA involvement with Oswald.
Then comes the extraordinary admission: These records do reveal, however, that Clay Shaw was a highly paid CIA contract source until 1956. (In many CIA documents, the end date of service is more often than not standard disinformation, so that the 1956 date has to be treated skeptically). In Shaws case, it was certainly not accurate.
In 1964, after the Kennedy assassination, just to be on the safe side, CIA destroyed de Mohrenschildts personnel file.
I would never have contacted Oswald in a million years if Moore had not sanctioned it, de Mohrenschildt told author Edward J. Epstein years later, and this rings true. J. Walton Moore had requested that de Mohrenschildt keep tabs on Oswald. Later de Mohrenschildt claimed that Moore had assigned him to find out about Oswalds time in the USSR.
In a quid pro quo, Epstein suggests, Moore would assist de Mohrenschildt in setting up an oil survey contract with Papa Doc.
There is no direct evidence of CIAs role in implementing de Mohrenschildts deal with François Duvalier.
Nonetheless, the contract was executed in March 1963, a month before Oswald left Texas for New Orleans. CIA had another assignment in mind now for de Mohrenschildt.
Lest there be any lingering doubt that George de Mohrenschildt played for CIA in Dallas and Fort Worth the same role Clay Shaw did in New Orleans that of handling and shepherding and monitoring Lee Harvey Oswald in his daily life a further piece of evidence has emerged. Two large CIA Office of Security (OS) files reside at the National Archives. They date from 1967, the time of Jim Garrisons investigation and indictment of Clay Shaw in a conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy involving Lee Harvey Oswald.
These OS files, brimming over with more than two hundred documents and photocopies of clippings pertaining to the Garrison case and Shaw, are not marked Garrison or Shaw. Rather, the file jackets read: George de Mohrenschildt.
pp. 54-55
Joan Mellen is a professor of English at Temple University in Philadelphia. She is the author of twenty books, ranging from film criticism to fiction, sports, true crime, Latin American studies and biography. She has written for a variety of publications such as the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the Philadelphia Inquirer. She has also lectured widely at universities and symposiums. In 2004, she was awarded one of Temple Universitys coveted Great Teacher Awards for outstanding achievement.
"Our Man in Haiti: George de Mohrenschildt and the CIA in the Nightmare Republic" is being released by TrineDay, November 1, and is available wherever fine books are sold.
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I would never have contacted Oswald in a million years if Moore had not sanctioned it, de Mohrenschildt told author Edward J. Epstein years later...
So, thanks for reminding me, zappaman.
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And you reached that conclusion after reading the Warren Commission Report, right?
stopbush
Nov 2013
#15
Where does it say he hasn't read it? You know what they say about people who make assumptions....
madmom
Nov 2013
#81
It's not my "opinion" that Ruby was diagnosed with cancer in 1966. it's a fact.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#38
Jack Ruby was a lone nut who killed a lone nut. There was no conspiracy and I think
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#145
lol. When point number 1 is as baldfaced as this, I don't need to read the rest.
Schema Thing
Nov 2013
#5
#1 is way off base. All the other points are accurate, but unimportant given the CIA admission.
ieoeja
Nov 2013
#40
Thanks! What I saw at the time said "personnel". I didn't delve into it because I find all of this
ieoeja
Nov 2013
#49
No, I'm not wrong. His son said his father had a different view in private.
former9thward
Nov 2013
#198
Ever notice how the CTists find it "fishy" that the Dallas Police could nab Oswald so quickly
stopbush
Nov 2013
#24
Oh, the DPD had plenty, especially as they were working with the Fed agencies from the get-go.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#189
While I never believed Oswald acted alone, something's fishy here. A Marine working on the U2???
Scuba
Nov 2013
#10
I was assigned to Andrews AFB, home of Air Force One. Doesn't mean I worked on it.
Scuba
Nov 2013
#29
Thanks for the factual corrective, not that it will change the minds of the easily duped.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#18
Why did Ruby go to the police station armed with a pistol with every intent on coming back?
Uncle Joe
Nov 2013
#52
Ruby went to the police station several times after Oswald had been arrested as my post# 55
Uncle Joe
Nov 2013
#69
Security was lax even for that day and age especially considering the prisoner they held.
Uncle Joe
Nov 2013
#96
Yes: "I believe that Kennedy was murdered for the same reason and by the same people who murdered...
villager
Nov 2013
#127
It's no great feat to get you. But truth is more important here at DU than your BS.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#123
FACT: Policeman ID'd Oswald having a Coke in the lunch room about a minute after the shootings.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#115
and Victoria Adams and Sandra Stiles use the same set of stairs that Oswald would have
KurtNYC
Nov 2013
#139
That must be why I said ''about'' and said 90 seconds in the post. Picture this...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#150
Right. The diagram is to show how how far the Warren Commission goes to pin it on Oswald.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#163
The Russians wouldn't have him. The Cubans wouldn't have him. The CIA wouldn't have him.
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#146
"What American goes to the USSR during the height of the Cold War, comes back like nothing happened"
JVS
Nov 2013
#168
I agree. When someone performs an assassination, there's little incentive for his...
JVS
Nov 2013
#173
If you want to believe that Ruby shot Oswald and spent the rest of his life in prison
KurtNYC
Nov 2013
#157
He and a handful of conspirators.....yet many believed, and still do, that the leaders of the South
cbdo2007
Nov 2013
#250
Bush's name, kids' names, personal info was in De Mohrenschildt's address book.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#205
George DeMohrenschildt knew the Bouvier family when Jackie Kennedy was a child
zappaman
Nov 2013
#206
I don't find JFK's assassination or anything about it a "source of amusement"
zappaman
Nov 2013
#216
Here's what I found regarding the Connally perception v. the single bullet evidence
Camballo
Nov 2013
#226
I started this thread to talk about why the large majority doubt parts of the WCR
KurtNYC
Nov 2013
#229
Actually, Connally was correct in thinking he had been hit by the second bullet fired.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#245
"1. No Motive." Oswald was a strange man, with a history of strange behavior. It is unrealistic
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#251