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HappyMe

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136. I don't know that I find abortion morally wrong,

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:47 PM

Nov 2013

it's just that having one isn't the choice I would make. I wouldn't be comfortable with that decision for myself.

I think that whether something is morally wrong or not is up to each person. I am not going to impose my morals on anybody else. I find it interesting that you tell people that say abortion is morally wrong that they are wrong. Aren't you then imposing your moral standards on somebody else?

I think that people can think that an abortion is not right for them, and still be pro-choice. What somebody else decides for themselves isn't going to effect me. This is why I think that the morally right or wrong needs to be removed from the discussion entirely.

I often wonder if all the people howling about morally wrong really believe that. I wonder if they just jump on the talking points bandwagon and give it no more thought.

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Adoption is not an alternative to abortion. [View all] boston bean Nov 2013 OP

Plenty of women feel that it is. FBaggins Nov 2013 #1

For a very small percentage of women it is of course a choice they could make. boston bean Nov 2013 #3

I fully agree. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #39

Just as overwhelming majority of women decide to abort. Would be nice if everyone else minded their idwiyo Nov 2013 #10

Adoption is a parenting decision, abortion is a childbearing decision. ehrnst Nov 2013 #54

Thanks ehrnst! boston bean Nov 2013 #68

New plan... You shush and let people make their own decisions... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #2

Of course, but I am discussing the issue from the side where boston bean Nov 2013 #5

I would love to see your research on this insanity. peace13 Nov 2013 #4

I didn't say it was. There's lots of other reasons. boston bean Nov 2013 #6

Do yourself a favor and delete this OP! peace13 Nov 2013 #9

I don't understand what you find so objectionable boston bean Nov 2013 #12

I object to your main premise that some women are just too selfish to have a baby and give it away! peace13 Nov 2013 #22

wow.... you say a I said lot of things I never said. keep on truckin. boston bean Nov 2013 #24

Wow, I didn't get that at all from the OP. blueamy66 Nov 2013 #106

Where did you get that from the OP! kcr Nov 2013 #128

The non-sequiter approach... immoderate Nov 2013 #131

true Blue_Roses Nov 2013 #200

You should do yourself a favor and hide the thread! Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #13

I can't see you! Thanks! peace13 Nov 2013 #15

No problem! Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #49

they said "You should do yourself a favor and hide the thread!" Scout Nov 2013 #157

here are stats that google brings to me hfojvt Nov 2013 #46

Why do you think more women choose abortion over adoption... boston bean Nov 2013 #50

or it could be because that is how they are taught hfojvt Nov 2013 #77

ah, so women should be taught differently.... I see.... boston bean Nov 2013 #79

you understand that if a pregnancy is carried to term, the father has to PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #87

also, carrying a pregnancy term and delivery is far more dangerous than early termination PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #89

Adoption is not a viable choice for some OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #146

can you provide data showing there is a shortage of children in the system who need homes? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #86

shortage of BABIES, not children blueamy66 Nov 2013 #108

uh, no... children need homes. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #110

I realize that. blueamy66 Nov 2013 #145

Have you ever been around pregnant females or talked to those getting abortions? Ever? uppityperson Nov 2013 #91

+100000000000 Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #127

Adoption is an alternative to raising a child; not to being pregnant or giving birth REP Nov 2013 #154

Wow you make a lot of assumptions gollygee Nov 2013 #162

Dying in childbirth isn't solved by adoption. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #178

Honestly, this is what we need. musical_soul Nov 2013 #208

Are you advising women to not have sex until they are married and financially stable? uppityperson Nov 2013 #210

Fewer than 2% of women surrender their newborn infants for adoption REP Nov 2013 #153

Also, not all abortions are of adoptable babies. Ian David Nov 2013 #7

My understanding is that there is a shortage of healthy, white baies for adoption... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #152

Agree: adoption is the alternative to parenting Small Accumulates Nov 2013 #8

Whether or not people should choose OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #11

Of course. I feel the same way. Don't know what makes you think I don't. boston bean Nov 2013 #14

I understand. You find other people's opinions objectionable .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #16

I guess I have a right to say that I find positions that advocate forced birth boston bean Nov 2013 #18

But you try to deny that right to others ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #25

Actually, I'm pretty sure that it's me others are trying to silence. boston bean Nov 2013 #28

I haven't seen too many others get into it with Skinner .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #30

I know asking admin to support choice is just way to much to ask and out of bounds. boston bean Nov 2013 #32

Thank you for reinforcing the point oldhippie Nov 2013 #34

In your opinion. Again, I look forward to your condemnation boston bean Nov 2013 #35

the democratic party is pro-choice: its the official party position noiretextatique Nov 2013 #176

Don't know where you got that; presumably from a different conversation MH1 Nov 2013 #69

Isn't that what you are Chiding her about, that she should be quiet? uppityperson Nov 2013 #92

Absolutely not. Just the opposite .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #115

sorry, still don't want to have to read anti choice crap here. boston bean Nov 2013 #142

So we have come full circle. At least you admit it .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #164

Admit what? Deny what?? That anti choice bullshit is offensive boston bean Nov 2013 #165

how silly. this is a democratic site and the party's position is pro-choice noiretextatique Nov 2013 #177

I don't think you will find any anti-choice opinions here ...... oldhippie Nov 2013 #180

well...this is a pro-choice site noiretextatique Nov 2013 #204

Whether one should choose adoption over abortion is entirely dependent upon the woman OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #21

How does someone thinking you should CHOOSE adoption over abortion limit CHOICE? Captain Stern Nov 2013 #102

Exactly. HappyMe Nov 2013 #104

I believe you feel the same way OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #137

Remember that adoption, unlike abortion, is not solely the womans choice. Xithras Nov 2013 #84

Wow! Another good point! I hadn't thought of that. But what you state is true! boston bean Nov 2013 #85

That's true OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #138

beautiful reply, thank you Scout Nov 2013 #159

an idiot tx "legislator" keeps proposing a bill that would make it mandatory to take an "adoption niyad Nov 2013 #99

I don't think a course is necessary OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #140

"making a woman aware of options"??? because, without a course, mandatory or not, she has no niyad Nov 2013 #187

I happen to be a woman, and no I don't mean to say ALL OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #205

anti-choice authoritarians consider adoption an alternative noiretextatique Nov 2013 #174

if I urge you to "choose life" hfojvt Nov 2013 #17

Why do you feel the right to "urge" a pregnant person to chose anything? URGING them is trying to uppityperson Nov 2013 #93

women choosing their own life isn't acceptable enough for you? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #95

But why do you feel that you're entitled to have an opinion at all? Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #97

Probably something along the lines of... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #150

No, you do not have any sort of 'obligation' to make your concerns known. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #151

Why not? If I have a friend going through a rough time... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #156

What other valid medical procedures are considered "going down the wrong path..."? LanternWaste Nov 2013 #175

Who said anything about "going down the wrong path", but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #183

it's not an obligation hfojvt Nov 2013 #201

Urging someone to do what you think is best gollygee Nov 2013 #170

A friend of mine Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #19

I agree. Thanks for the post. boston bean Nov 2013 #20

Kicking for peace13! demmiblue Nov 2013 #23

. boston bean Nov 2013 #26

Oh yeah, Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #27

K&R! me b zola Nov 2013 #70

lol PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #51

Being pro-choice means you have a choice. HappyMe Nov 2013 #29

"What somebody thinks about an issue personally doesn't take away another person's choice" boston bean Nov 2013 #31

But here's the thing - anybody can HappyMe Nov 2013 #44

happy, why do think we are having attacks on womens rights? boston bean Nov 2013 #45

If they are saying that abortion should be illegal, HappyMe Nov 2013 #62

Persons who feel that women should choose adoption over abortion boston bean Nov 2013 #64

That sounds like a moral judgement joeglow3 Nov 2013 #71

LOL boston bean Nov 2013 #72

Forgot the sarcasm tag joeglow3 Nov 2013 #76

do you consider restrictions, barriers, lack of availability and additional costs to be an attack on PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #66

Yeah, those things would be an attack. HappyMe Nov 2013 #73

Ok just to explain again what is meant by "rare" OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #160

I think you need to read through some more of the responses boston bean Nov 2013 #161

Well then we must have some OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #163

So just to be clear ... OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #166

Here's my standard c&p reply PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #186

I do agree, I think the frequency comes about when talking OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #207

But as a society we impose our morals upon one another whopis01 Nov 2013 #111

I will reply to you in a bit. HappyMe Nov 2013 #117

"... do you distinguish your personal morals from others?" oldhippie Nov 2013 #126

I don't know that I find abortion morally wrong, HappyMe Nov 2013 #136

Thinking it is morally wrong to have an abortion for oneself is fine. boston bean Nov 2013 #139

I can think what ever the hell I want. HappyMe Nov 2013 #143

of course you can. I can too. boston bean Nov 2013 #144

Individual morals work well as long as they are kept to oneself whopis01 Nov 2013 #168

Difficult topic to discuss get the red out Nov 2013 #33

It is difficult, because adoption is obviously a choice one may make boston bean Nov 2013 #42

"Adoption is not an alternative to abortion." NCTraveler Nov 2013 #36

The first paragraph is actually a 2-stage decision jeff47 Nov 2013 #58

Pretty simple. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #65

Except even in the cases you describe, there are 4 options. jeff47 Nov 2013 #83

Once again, pretty simple. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #88

Then why did your post say that wasn't the case? jeff47 Nov 2013 #96

Because deciding to carry to term and give up the child for adoption... NCTraveler Nov 2013 #98

You Know This How? nt RobinA Nov 2013 #118

Because the second decision is moot without the first. jeff47 Nov 2013 #125

I knew I would have gotten family pressure to not put an infant up for adoption. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #37

This post is spectacular. Raine1967 Nov 2013 #59

Thanks. These last couple of days have been tough here at DU. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #81

I Was 21, just out of college. Raine1967 Nov 2013 #82

Thanks to you both for sharing your experiences! boston bean Nov 2013 #101

Cosign all of that. Your last point is dead on. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #133

If a woman sees adoption as an alternative to abortion, I respect her choice. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #38

I respect the choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #43

I totally agree libodem Nov 2013 #40

also adoption can be quite traumatic for the women who give up their kids. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #41

Yes, very true. boston bean Nov 2013 #47

I could never resent my birthmother for giving me up. Marrah_G Nov 2013 #182

i am sure most kids don't but if you hear anti-abortion activists talk about abortion La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #195

I hope you have a place in your life for her. I can't imagine that she doesn't love you with her StevieM Nov 2013 #197

"These things are very complicated, humans are complicated creatures" Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #48

ummm yeah, less interference from nutty right wing pro forced birthers boston bean Nov 2013 #53

And adoption is a choice... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #123

of course adoption is a choice, what is not choice boston bean Nov 2013 #132

Perhaps you should have included that sentiment in your OP (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #134

Adoption is an alternative to parenthood, not childbirth. ehrnst Nov 2013 #52

I wouldn't want to give birth to a baby ( that I carried for 9 months.) and give it up Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #55

Yes this one of the reasons some women don't choose adoption OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #148

Of course it is -- for some women. You're making a blanket statement pnwmom Nov 2013 #56

I agree wholeheartedly. Not sure what makes you think I don't. boston bean Nov 2013 #61

Many don't make a free choice, either; they are coerced by the for-profit agencies REP Nov 2013 #172

That was true in the period cited in the book -- 1945 to 1973. pnwmom Nov 2013 #173

If only that were so. REP Nov 2013 #181

Do you have more recent data to point to? pnwmom Nov 2013 #185

There are roughly eight times more abortions than adoptions in the U.S. Prism Nov 2013 #57

It seems to me as though most who say, SheilaT Nov 2013 #60

Thank you for stating this so succinctly and getting it. boston bean Nov 2013 #63

Excellent post. nt. MH1 Nov 2013 #75

I completely agree Brainstormy Nov 2013 #67

I guess I would word it slightly differently... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #74

A woman should decide what's best for her. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #78

I certainly would like to. boston bean Nov 2013 #80

But You Never Do nt RobinA Nov 2013 #120

Excellent post - and KT2000 Nov 2013 #90

Abortion is about continuing a pregnancy or not. Adoption is about what you do after giving birth. uppityperson Nov 2013 #94

in glancing over the responses very quickly, I notice that the adoption proponents made no niyad Nov 2013 #100

and those risks are FAR greater than early termination PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #112

I had to stop reading them and just scroll down to post a reply of support. whttevrr Nov 2013 #121

See here for the psychological sequelae women face with adoption: REP Nov 2013 #155

There are also financial and social consequences gollygee Nov 2013 #171

For laws or lawmakers to conflate the two is wrong. Orsino Nov 2013 #103

The problem is not considering adoption as an alternative to abortion whopis01 Nov 2013 #105

You know what it is when you get right down to it.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #107

Exactly. there isn't a shortage of children who are in desperate need of homes. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #113

Others may not but I agree with your premise..... Avalux Nov 2013 #109

Forced birthing is a scary thought for this man, can't imagine what its like for a woman... whttevrr Nov 2013 #114

My birth control failed. bravenak Nov 2013 #116

I'm sorry you went through that and I am sorry about your friend. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #122

I thank you. bravenak Nov 2013 #124

You did the right thing OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #149

That's why I don't think people should give advice unless asked for it. bravenak Nov 2013 #167

I agree completely OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #169

I don't think that statement is categorically correct....... Swede Atlanta Nov 2013 #119

As already stated by so many here, adoption is an alternative to raising a child. ieoeja Nov 2013 #158

Adoption is not an alternative to abortion for women needing an abortion abelenkpe Nov 2013 #129

No such thing as "a little bit pregnant"...you are either pregnant or you are not pregnant. Lars39 Nov 2013 #130

Adoption can occur after pregnancy provided the baby is healthy! peace13 Nov 2013 #135

Good point... SidDithers Nov 2013 #141

Reproductive health decisions = between a woman & her physician TBF Nov 2013 #147

wow...you really got some crazy responses noiretextatique Nov 2013 #179

My late mother was adopted CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #184

just my two cents enjoylife1966 Nov 2013 #188

The adoptees I've known are all over the spectrum when it comes to how they feel about it. winter is coming Nov 2013 #189

Ok. boston bean Nov 2013 #190

Thanks for the welcome enjoylife1966 Nov 2013 #191

I don't question the quality of your adoptive parents. But I don't believe it is correct to say StevieM Nov 2013 #198

Frankly BB, this post and the others on adoption have had some hurtful things in them Marrah_G Nov 2013 #194

Of course adoption is a valid choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #196

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #192

Thank you for saying that Marrah_G Nov 2013 #193

Such an absolute. Are you sure? flvegan Nov 2013 #199

Ummmm..... it pretty much is, if you are pregnant and don't want to raise a child. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #202

That is like saying - Abortion is not an alternative to birth control. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #203

Adoption is a painful decision. musical_soul Nov 2013 #206

Reputable abortion providers can accurately tell how far along you are. Good grief. uppityperson Nov 2013 #209