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haele

(15,542 posts)
12. Not under a typical pension system.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:04 PM
Nov 2013

And there are work-related disablity benefits that a lot of people think is "retirement". Police and firefighters tend to get a disability suppliment if they retire early due to the wear and tear they get doing their job.

Where pensions really get wiggy is when a pension system is structured follow a rank and file worker into mangement, or if bonus pay for specialty positions are added into the pension calculation. While 80% of the public workforce will never get into management and will retire with a yearly $25K - $35K pension stipend, the 20% who made it into management over a 25 - 30 year career will often see a pension return of six figures because they held the equivilent of a specialist or executive position in a private company.

What really sucks is that somehow, people assume that when the newspapers shout about "Retirement Pension bonanzas", the newspapers are talking about the average worker. Nope, they're usually looking at the "average pension" - of the executives and senior managers, which are usually the equivilent of their private sector counterparts.
What do you think a senior manager at an engineering or insurance firm gets for his or her pension, or how their bonus and stock options work with their pensions?

In 2004, my mother retired as the administrative assistant to the Dean with an additional position as Graduate Studies advisor within that "School of" at a prestegious state university. She was making $57K a year, with 35 years for her standard state employees pension.
She's getting $28K a year for as long as she lives. No COLA. Dad was a 40-year high-school teacher/specialist/coach with a state pension that was paying $35K a year until he died last year.
As his surviver, she is getting half of that until the date he would have turned 80 (4 more years), then it ends (had he survived his stroke and lived into his 90's, it would have continued in full until then).
Lucky for her, his military and Social Security survivor's benefits to her doesn't have an after-death cut-off date, so she currently gets about $1200 a month combined with those, and they have a COLA.

I doubt the median pension (without disability) for a 30-year retired beat cop in Palm Desert is more than $40K a year, all things considered. Unless Palm Desert was particularly generous with their package to try and get more people to hire on.

Haele

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"burdensome salary and pension costs" KatyMan Nov 2013 #1
If cities mismanage their finances they will go bankrupt hack89 Nov 2013 #2
I suspect that optimistic projections were only a part of the problem- can you say RDA? LooseWilly Nov 2013 #19
The employees are not to blame hack89 Nov 2013 #20
Tax those corporate tenants... there's plenty of money there LooseWilly Nov 2013 #23
I doubt a small resort town has a lot of corporate tenants hack89 Nov 2013 #25
Walmart, McDonald's, TacoTown, etc... all probably live there somewhere LooseWilly Nov 2013 #27
So what percentage will you tax them at hack89 Nov 2013 #28
Exactly! It's the city's failure to set aside moneys for their contracted obligations SharonAnn Nov 2013 #29
budget messes are every where in the public sector beachbum bob Nov 2013 #3
The reason pension cost rose is because they upaloopa Nov 2013 #9
Well, technically... a defined benefit plan's cost can't "rise"... LooseWilly Nov 2013 #24
I work for a county government and am a SEIU upaloopa Nov 2013 #30
In some years past, maybe as far as decades Trillo Nov 2013 #4
Why don't you do some research on the subject upaloopa Nov 2013 #10
One of my landlords was a retired cop (probation officer), he also told the same story, Trillo Nov 2013 #13
That has nothing to do with pensions upaloopa Nov 2013 #15
That's not what I read, or was told, Trillo Nov 2013 #16
I am a government worker what I said is true upaloopa Nov 2013 #17
"Six figure pensions" Trillo Nov 2013 #18
Not under a typical pension system. haele Nov 2013 #12
Legalize and tax the herb! zappaman Nov 2013 #5
"burdensome salary and pension costs" usually means Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #6
All of these pensions were doable... ReverendDeuce Nov 2013 #7
+1 Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #21
Pensions are dangerous for a long term company. A lot of risk. nt Logical Nov 2013 #8
You know in 50's and 60's just about every worker had upaloopa Nov 2013 #11
Nope, a CFO plans for pensions, just as they plan for facilities and depreciation. haele Nov 2013 #14
when a company goes bellyup onethatcares Nov 2013 #22
How about fucking raising taxes gopiscrap Nov 2013 #26
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