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46. Well, lets say sensible tax policies and social messaging didn't work

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:41 PM

Nov 2013

People wanted to keep fucking....

And lets say making births more expensive and abortions more accessible still didn't work...

And lets say all the education in the world happened and guys still wont put their condoms on...

Then we would be needing pretty extreme measures. But instead of saying only certain people get babies, how about 1 baby for each couple? And if the target birth rate drops low, allow people with 1 child to apply to have a second one (selected at random from applicants).

Yeah, I just don't care about how that sounds anymore. I also think we ought to limit smart phones an McMansions in an authoritarian manner, but yeah, people love those more than babies. Sometimes I just don't think people understand just how serious climate change is.

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As a person, my decisions regarding reproduction are mine. [View all] MineralMan Nov 2013 OP

I'm in favor of you having as many abortions as you personally choose to, MineralMan Electric Monk Nov 2013 #1

That's impossible, actually. MineralMan Nov 2013 #2

I don't share that view NoOneMan Nov 2013 #3

OK. You have your own unique viewpoint. MineralMan Nov 2013 #5

First, reduce the incidence of pregnancies. Unwanted or otherwise NoOneMan Nov 2013 #14

I'm afraid that I can't go along with your authoritarian ideas. MineralMan Nov 2013 #15

"Freedom" is a funny thing NoOneMan Nov 2013 #16

The road you're suggesting leads to a bad place. MineralMan Nov 2013 #18

We're in a bad place NoOneMan Nov 2013 #20

Ever consider abortion for yourself? notadmblnd Nov 2013 #49

There is that fatal human flaw that we don't know when enough is enough NoOneMan Nov 2013 #52

You are advocating the control of the potential existence of others. Is that better? notadmblnd Nov 2013 #65

Potential existence has no value, or otherwise, abortion would be immoral NoOneMan Nov 2013 #67

To you. Potential life has no value to you. It doesn't mean potential life doesn't have value notadmblnd Nov 2013 #77

If potential life has value, abortion destroys something of value NoOneMan Nov 2013 #79

There is a medical procedure that can be performed to terminate a potential life that is notadmblnd Nov 2013 #83

LOL NoOneMan Nov 2013 #86

Your words implied notadmblnd Nov 2013 #87

Hey, you know who liked dogs? Hitler liked dogs! NoOneMan Nov 2013 #88

Ridicule? Is that all you got left? notadmblnd Nov 2013 #89

So who is worthy to reproduce and what Skidmore Nov 2013 #42

Well, lets say sensible tax policies and social messaging didn't work NoOneMan Nov 2013 #46

You definitely don't value Skidmore Nov 2013 #55

Freedoms that impede upon others are not congruent with democracy or progressive values NoOneMan Nov 2013 #58

This guy seems to really hate fucking. notadmblnd Nov 2013 #78

I love fucking. Its an integral part of the human experience NoOneMan Nov 2013 #80

I thought that the govt Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #90

any questions i had regarding your credibility on anything have now been answered. proceed. dionysus Nov 2013 #45

No. Just fucking. Fucking and dying. Fucking dying. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #50

Earth is not dying. chervilant Nov 2013 #74

Heh. Excuse me. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #75

The cockroaches should be copacetic... n/t chervilant Nov 2013 #93

Somebody Popped you out Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #17

That's about all I am NoOneMan Nov 2013 #19

"We need less not more, but my ticket got punched Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #23

Im not sure if you are attempting an Ad Hominem Tu Quoque or not NoOneMan Nov 2013 #26

Yes, I was Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #38

The planet doesn't need to "view" us as a threat for us to be destroying the ecosystem NoOneMan Nov 2013 #43

Nihilism is an ugly philosophy. MineralMan Nov 2013 #25

I wouldn't know NoOneMan Nov 2013 #27

Just a quick question... Bay Boy Nov 2013 #30

No. Do you? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #31

Nope, me either... Bay Boy Nov 2013 #34

By not believing in God, I see myself as a part of nature NoOneMan Nov 2013 #36

Misanthropic, even by community standards. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #33

I know that birthrates have leveled of in first world nations NoOneMan Nov 2013 #39

Misanthropic, by my standards, too. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #84

It's not population. Scootaloo Nov 2013 #35

I've commented this somewhat up above NoOneMan Nov 2013 #44

does the per capita argument hold up when factoring globalization Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #48

Well, globalization most certainly muddies the entire waters NoOneMan Nov 2013 #56

ty stuntcat Nov 2013 #70

Earth is finite, we have finite space and resources to support life, and some quality RKP5637 Nov 2013 #81

Agree 100%. My decisions are right for me and no one else. My decisions are also no one else's OregonBlue Nov 2013 #4

Thank you. Recognizing the importance of invidual MineralMan Nov 2013 #6

Personally, I am opposed to abortion, except for things like rape, incest, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #7

I guess I don't understand that position. MineralMan Nov 2013 #8

No, not really. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #9

If you are a female, being against abortion means something. CTyankee Nov 2013 #29

But my being personally opposed but refusing to tell any woman what she Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #32

My guess is that you mean you would conduct yourself in such a way not to cause an CTyankee Nov 2013 #37

Yes. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #41

Yes, I get that your being "anti-abortion" is in the philosophical sense. CTyankee Nov 2013 #59

Wow, great post. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #62

thanks. I'm glad for the chance to clarify the "moral choice" argument for the "pro-choice" CTyankee Nov 2013 #69

Thank you for defining this for me, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #71

And you have had a life-changing experience that has led you to your present status. CTyankee Nov 2013 #82

+1 idwiyo Nov 2013 #85

Why the exceptions for rape and incest? REP Nov 2013 #24

Bedause those are crimes against a person and the person should have the choice Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #28

What then, is the precise and relevant difference between this outcome and one predicated not on cri LanternWaste Nov 2013 #47

The difference is that one is not forceable while the other is. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #54

I agree, but people facing the decision should have access to accurate facts. MH1 Nov 2013 #10

I can agree with having excellent education regarding sexuality and MineralMan Nov 2013 #12

I think it should be an informed decision Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #91

Agree - Choice means choice. Whether it would be the choice I would make or not. Mass Nov 2013 #11

Absolutely. And the decisions are solely those of the individual. MineralMan Nov 2013 #13

My kids have been the best part of my life. panader0 Nov 2013 #21

I'm glad to hear it. MineralMan Nov 2013 #22

"I'm 100% pro-choice in all circumstances" tkmorris Nov 2013 #40

I have considered that. With regard to reproductive rights, MineralMan Nov 2013 #53

Let me introduce myself - I am a female, commie, and I support Equal Human Rights. idwiyo Nov 2013 #63

What about those who think it is good to have a dozen children? Coyotl Nov 2013 #51

What about them? MineralMan Nov 2013 #57

I find the topic of MineralMan reproduction offputting. rug Nov 2013 #60

you just ooze class, don't you. dionysus Nov 2013 #61

Not as well as you. rug Nov 2013 #66

I find insulting other DUers offputting. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #64

I find insulting other DUers to be quite common. rug Nov 2013 #68

So is littering. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #72

There is nothing wrong with blowing one's nose at the dinner table. rug Nov 2013 #73

I was taught that it was rude and that you should excuse yourself The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #76

How rude... MineralMan Nov 2013 #92