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Chan790

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44. I'm with Manny on this.

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:34 AM

Nov 2013

That one chapter is a landmine. I've been having an ongoing correspondence with my congresscritters about my opposition to TPP/TPIP for weeks and particularly with my House Rep. His position was that he was opposed to fast track but he couldn't oppose the FTAs without seeing them and he was skeptical that it really contained the things I said it did, that nobody could know because it wasn't public and many of those policies were non-starters.

Well. The reveal confirms what I said was in the FTAs is in TPP, it's not private anymore and all those things are presumably still non-starters. My critter isn't some backbencher, he's a member of the House leadership...and I'll be calling him again tomorrow.

I have every expectation that he tells me TPP if not TPIP is DOA.

Tomorrow we start on killing TPIP.

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I think The TPP is dead. So are attempts to [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP

Proud card-carrying member of the Moonbat Left. Scuba Nov 2013 #1

Say what? Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #23

Hey! Where'd you get that? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #35

Yea us! truebluegreen Nov 2013 #2

Good that you think that, I don't. And the TTIP? BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #3

Wow! I didn't know about that! MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #37

I disagree Fumesucker Nov 2013 #4

+1 idwiyo Nov 2013 #5

word. KG Nov 2013 #8

The Left is far tougher than the sensible people. They do swing at the Left but rarely land a punch sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #29

Occupy marked the tipping point, I think MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #34

Yes, that was an opening shot at the Corporate State which is why they so desperately sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #39

We need t shirts like "Take away any bottom for 'free traders' to race to"... cascadiance Nov 2013 #66

That is an excellent idea. One that maybe OWS might be interested in starting, around the world. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #70

I believe we have already reached the tipping point. Raksha Nov 2013 #65

Knowledge is power. And with communications the way they are today it is way more difficult to sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #84

Absolutely right. zeemike Nov 2013 #105

To add to that... Sophiegirl Nov 2013 #111

I like that. It so true. n/t sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #116

Hey, you left off the sarcasm smilie. Raksha Nov 2013 #62

How did it die? cui bono Nov 2013 #6

Here... MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #13

We should be cautious. PETRUS Nov 2013 #15

Whoa! cui bono Nov 2013 #41

Pretty cool, huh? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #42

Not surprised to see some GOPers as well. Maybe a few see the truth... Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #56

Okay, I'll bite... senseandsensibility Nov 2013 #7

The centerpiece of the TPP is dollar hegemony. I think that is tsuki Nov 2013 #9

Interesting perspective. Thanks. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #50

It would be lovely if you turn out to be correct djean111 Nov 2013 #10

That's what they said about war with Syria Demeter Nov 2013 #18

+1 840high Nov 2013 #28

Color me Moonbat. 99Forever Nov 2013 #11

Glad to have company - another far left Moonbat checking in. Raksha Nov 2013 #69

I hope you are right. I fear you are wrong. Armstead Nov 2013 #12

NOT TRUE ABOUT TPP...DEAD! Do not let your guard down on this. KoKo Nov 2013 #14

One other thing to think about... Oilwellian Nov 2013 #27

Shh, we ain't supposed to notice nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #51

I'm with Manny on this. Chan790 Nov 2013 #44

+1 dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #46

Moonbats FTW! AzDar Nov 2013 #16

Please, Manny, think of the woodchucks. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #17

If it ain't dead...... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #19

Kickin' and Rec NealK Nov 2013 #20

just like with Syria... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #21

They won't give up Manny...... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #22

I don't think that there is any question that you personally killed the Summers appointment. grantcart Nov 2013 #24

Manny's a one-man wrecking crew. LAGC Nov 2013 #25

Well, OK, I'll cop to *that* MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #32

Yup, must have been me. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #31

and stopped the war in syria.... dionysus Nov 2013 #33

Yeah, you know it looked like me, MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #38

Or someone he supports dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #47

Bang! Bang! Liz's silver hammer came down on Larry's head, MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #54

HA! Well played, grant! You certainly skewered Manny's silly old ego there, didn't you? sibelian Nov 2013 #55

Depends on how you want to use the word spying. grantcart Nov 2013 #59

Manny's great but informed people credit Democratic Senators Merkley and Warren as point Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #57

If that's a thank you, it's pretty lame. But your welcome. Now maybe Matty can kill Ms. Clinton's rhett o rick Nov 2013 #61

If you take credit for defeating a nomination that never took place I will respond with a grantcart Nov 2013 #68

You're bitter, and not very good at understanding what you read. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #71

LOL. Perhaps you're describing yourself? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #74

You're using the ever-popular "I know you are, but what am I" rejoinder. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #77

Funny how you can diagnose people from behind your keyboard Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #78

I can't continue to talk to you if you can't tell the difference between a question and a statement. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #82

He is in a pickle. Everyone with half a brain, even some republicans, see what a disaster the TPP rhett o rick Nov 2013 #91

LOL? Really? That's all you got? If you support the TPP, speak up and tell us why. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #88

The TPP is dead. Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #90

Why dont you tell us why you support the TPP. And by the way, Sid's ridicule emoticon is sooo yeste rhett o rick Nov 2013 #92

"Why dont you tell us why you support the TPP" Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #94

Follow the logic - Pres Obama supports the TPP and you support Pres Obama unequivocally. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #98

HAHAHAHAHA! That's how you came to the conclusion I support the TPP? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #100

If you agreed with Manny and the left, they why are you here stirring rhett o rick Nov 2013 #103

So if you agree with Manny then you have a funny way of showing it. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #101

Hey, who knew Sid had his own patented emoticon! That man is a freaking LEGEND here! Number23 Nov 2013 #102

No one is asking you to fawn over Manny. But if you come here to cause trouble then rhett o rick Nov 2013 #104

let me tell you this again and hopefully for the LAST time Number23 Nov 2013 #107

Why do you guys seem to have such a hard time addressing actual issues? nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #113

Whether anyone actually does or not (I would never take your word for it) Number23 Nov 2013 #115

Do your principles differ that much from Manny's that you find it compelling to rhett o rick Nov 2013 #72

... also prevented the Zombie Apocalypse and the Martian invasion. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #75

Can always count on you for an intellectual response. Did you have your tongue out when you wrote rhett o rick Nov 2013 #93

I typed it left handed. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #117

Uh Oh. You see what happens if you say something less than glowing about a Manny OP? Number23 Nov 2013 #80

Does any of you and your "group" have the guts to explain why you support the TPP. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #95

Now here's my question... will you try to turn this exchange into your "STOP BULLYING ME!!1" Number23 Nov 2013 #97

Relevant cross post..."Papantonio: Clinton Brought Us NAFTA, Obama Brings Us SHAFTA" adirondacker Nov 2013 #26

See the Progressive Group where there is a listing of info re. TPP rhett o rick Nov 2013 #63

Good I am a leftist also!!! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #30

Don't go all EmoProg on me now, Manny! villager Nov 2013 #36

Too late. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #40

Well if there is some doubt that its not "totally" dead..... Left Coast2020 Nov 2013 #43

I'd like to think so, but keep stomping on it anyway. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #45

I know you're being, well, Manny, but the TPP is actually in very poor shape which is very cali Nov 2013 #48

We must keep the pressure on. Is Sen Warren our only hope to defeat Ms Clinton? nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #73

LOL. Why are you asking that poster? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #76

Thank you for asking. If we are going to defeat the corporate Democratic candidate we need rhett o rick Nov 2013 #86

LOL! Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #89

Your friends have been saying "ignore 2016". Now why would you want us to ignore 2016? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #96

You know my friends? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #99

You seem to have a hard time discussing actual issues. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #106

you seem to have a hard time backing up your claims. nm Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #108

Message hidden by jury decision L0oniX Nov 2013 #112

Have you noticed the rash of posts recommending that the left "ignore 2016" until rhett o rick Nov 2013 #114

It isn't dead, but it's chances for survival are diminishing. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #49

I can only hope you are right, Manny......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #52

Yep, that's why "they" wanted it kept secret until it was "passed". bemildred Nov 2013 #53

It all depends on if Obama and the rest of them give a shit that we now Autumn Nov 2013 #58

Agree. "Will Democrats and Tea Partiers Derail Obama's Secret Trade Deal?" pampango Nov 2013 #60

This may be too important for TPTB to yield to public pressure. We must continue to fight. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #64

Take heart, (3rd Way) Manny, we're murdering people with drones and pursuing whistle blowers. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #67

he'll get to those later this week.... KG Nov 2013 #109

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #79

I didn't know the moon was a baseball. ananda Nov 2013 #81

Yay! tavalon Nov 2013 #83

We can thank the leakers, all of them, for exposing these nefarious activities Cleita Nov 2013 #85

K&R! Phlem Nov 2013 #87

Sorry. I'm already a member of the L0ony left. L0oniX Nov 2013 #110