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In reply to the discussion: I think The TPP is dead. So are attempts to [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)60. Agree. "Will Democrats and Tea Partiers Derail Obama's Secret Trade Deal?"


Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) and Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.).
... But in order to secure the deal, President Barack Obama says he wants Congress to grant him permission to sign the final trade agreement, which Congress has not yet seen, without congressional input. A coalition of about 174 conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats in the House signaled this week they would likely vote against giving those trade powers to the president.
But this week, about 151 House Democrats and 23 Republicansmany of them tea partierswrote letters to the administration saying this time they are unwilling to give the president carte blanche to "diplomatically legislate." If a couple dozen more lawmakers join the unlikely group of Dems and GOPers, the House could have enough votes to shoot down fast-track and derail the TPP. If Obama doesn't get the special trade powers, Congress will likely try to make some changes to the final pact, which could cause other countries to drop out of the deal.
"Conservatives have shown themselves to instinctively oppose anything coming out of the Obama White House. So their opposition is not surprising," Adam Hersh, a trade expert at the liberal Center for American Progress, says in an email. But he adds that the Democratic opposition is new. "We're seeing the culmination of dissatisfaction with persistent poor trading outcomes for the US economy" such as job outsourcing, he says, and the feeling that Congress has been "kept in the dark."
Securing fast-track authority has been difficult ever since its inception in 1974. In the late 1990s, Congress refused to grant President Bill Clinton the extra trade powers, even though Republicans controlled the House. In 2002, fast-track barely won approval under President George W. Bush. That fast-track authorization expired in 2007.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/fast-track-authority-obama-trans-pacific-partnership
But this week, about 151 House Democrats and 23 Republicansmany of them tea partierswrote letters to the administration saying this time they are unwilling to give the president carte blanche to "diplomatically legislate." If a couple dozen more lawmakers join the unlikely group of Dems and GOPers, the House could have enough votes to shoot down fast-track and derail the TPP. If Obama doesn't get the special trade powers, Congress will likely try to make some changes to the final pact, which could cause other countries to drop out of the deal.
"Conservatives have shown themselves to instinctively oppose anything coming out of the Obama White House. So their opposition is not surprising," Adam Hersh, a trade expert at the liberal Center for American Progress, says in an email. But he adds that the Democratic opposition is new. "We're seeing the culmination of dissatisfaction with persistent poor trading outcomes for the US economy" such as job outsourcing, he says, and the feeling that Congress has been "kept in the dark."
Securing fast-track authority has been difficult ever since its inception in 1974. In the late 1990s, Congress refused to grant President Bill Clinton the extra trade powers, even though Republicans controlled the House. In 2002, fast-track barely won approval under President George W. Bush. That fast-track authorization expired in 2007.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/fast-track-authority-obama-trans-pacific-partnership
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The Left is far tougher than the sensible people. They do swing at the Left but rarely land a punch
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#29
Yes, that was an opening shot at the Corporate State which is why they so desperately
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#39
We need t shirts like "Take away any bottom for 'free traders' to race to"...
cascadiance
Nov 2013
#66
That is an excellent idea. One that maybe OWS might be interested in starting, around the world.
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#70
Knowledge is power. And with communications the way they are today it is way more difficult to
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#84
I don't think that there is any question that you personally killed the Summers appointment.
grantcart
Nov 2013
#24
HA! Well played, grant! You certainly skewered Manny's silly old ego there, didn't you?
sibelian
Nov 2013
#55
Manny's great but informed people credit Democratic Senators Merkley and Warren as point
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2013
#57
If that's a thank you, it's pretty lame. But your welcome. Now maybe Matty can kill Ms. Clinton's
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#61
If you take credit for defeating a nomination that never took place I will respond with a
grantcart
Nov 2013
#68
You're using the ever-popular "I know you are, but what am I" rejoinder.
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#77
I can't continue to talk to you if you can't tell the difference between a question and a statement.
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#82
He is in a pickle. Everyone with half a brain, even some republicans, see what a disaster the TPP
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#91
LOL? Really? That's all you got? If you support the TPP, speak up and tell us why.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#88
Why dont you tell us why you support the TPP. And by the way, Sid's ridicule emoticon is sooo yeste
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#92
Follow the logic - Pres Obama supports the TPP and you support Pres Obama unequivocally.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#98
Hey, who knew Sid had his own patented emoticon! That man is a freaking LEGEND here!
Number23
Nov 2013
#102
No one is asking you to fawn over Manny. But if you come here to cause trouble then
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#104
Why do you guys seem to have such a hard time addressing actual issues? nm
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#113
Do your principles differ that much from Manny's that you find it compelling to
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#72
Can always count on you for an intellectual response. Did you have your tongue out when you wrote
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#93
Uh Oh. You see what happens if you say something less than glowing about a Manny OP?
Number23
Nov 2013
#80
Does any of you and your "group" have the guts to explain why you support the TPP.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#95
Now here's my question... will you try to turn this exchange into your "STOP BULLYING ME!!1"
Number23
Nov 2013
#97
Relevant cross post..."Papantonio: Clinton Brought Us NAFTA, Obama Brings Us SHAFTA"
adirondacker
Nov 2013
#26
I know you're being, well, Manny, but the TPP is actually in very poor shape which is very
cali
Nov 2013
#48
We must keep the pressure on. Is Sen Warren our only hope to defeat Ms Clinton? nm
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#73
Thank you for asking. If we are going to defeat the corporate Democratic candidate we need
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#86
Your friends have been saying "ignore 2016". Now why would you want us to ignore 2016?
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#96
Have you noticed the rash of posts recommending that the left "ignore 2016" until
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#114
This may be too important for TPTB to yield to public pressure. We must continue to fight. nm
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#64
Take heart, (3rd Way) Manny, we're murdering people with drones and pursuing whistle blowers.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Nov 2013
#67