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La Lioness Priyanka

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38. this is akin to saying that civil rights group like the NAACP ignores whites

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Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:42 PM

Nov 2013

or gay rights groups ignores straights

it's an argument that sounds clever but makes no sense

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How Feminism Hurts Men [View all] Matariki Nov 2013 OP

I came into this thread prepared to eviscerate someone. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #1

plus 100 Liberal_in_LA Nov 2013 #7

Same here. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #31

;-) Matariki Nov 2013 #41

and heavens, a 45 yr old man might get a whole year in jail for raping an unconscious 16 yr old girl seabeyond Nov 2013 #2

You've got to be kidding? Th1onein Nov 2013 #12

Here: Chan790 Nov 2013 #13

O.M.G. What possible reason for one year in jail? Th1onein Nov 2013 #18

Don't know for certain... Chan790 Nov 2013 #24

That's actually a very interesting point. I hadn't thought of it that way before. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #106

Worse, he was her teacher. What a horror BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #128

I hope I live long enough to see the day "... women hold over 80 percent of the seats in Congress." Tx4obama Nov 2013 #3

The sad part is... There are men who actually make this claim... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #4

Some of them are DUers. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #6

I agree. I was really taken aback by some male DUers on VAWA. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #9

Why is it called "Violence against Women Act" if it is gender-neutral? davidn3600 Nov 2013 #14

Dunno, maybe because most of the adults beat up at home are women. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #26

Yeah, we can't catch a break. Iggo Nov 2013 #36

All one has to do is to look at the ratio of deaths and serious injuries, by gender, to understand nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #110

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #173

You're cute. Have any links to these studies, or "hundreds" of feminist theorists and publications? arcane1 Dec 2013 #174

It could always be renamed JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #125

+1 nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #175

This is why it is so important for the women here at DU to raise hell... CTyankee Nov 2013 #23

there is a du'er here who pushed and got his own forum, who adamantly and repeatedly La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #27

Unfuckingbelievable. Glad I missed that. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #28

Yup... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #44

In several ways BainsBane Nov 2013 #50

I have a name. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #55

"She made me hit her" is one of the most chickenshit things I've ever read/heard in my life. LanternWaste Nov 2013 #62

Where did you read/hear it? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #88

I read it here. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #113

A direct hit! Look at the straw fly! Smite that strawman! lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #135

except you extend this to domestic violence victims who usually cannot just be surveyed La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #143

Thanks for confirming my point. I see you're still proud of your "reciprocal violence" stand. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #164

In your super-duper sleuthing, you seem to have overlooked one inconvenient detail.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #138

There were several DUers saying or supporting that in that thread. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #162

I wonder... opiate69 Nov 2013 #99

i thought he actually rolled up his sleeves adn loosened his tie and unbuttoned his collar shirt on seabeyond Nov 2013 #104

It goes beyond that BainsBane Nov 2013 #48

I won't and can't be silenced JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #127

"Some of them are DU'ers in my mind." Bonobo Nov 2013 #15

No, some of them are definitely DUers. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #17

Could be a DU'er that was booted, right? Bonobo Nov 2013 #19

Nope. Still active. Still hates women. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #20

Just say my name. Everyone here knows you're talking about me. Pab Sungenis Nov 2013 #108

John Lauritsen is an AIDS denialist. Just FYI. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #118

And that diminishes what he said in 1976? Pab Sungenis Nov 2013 #121

Totally up to you. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #122

Yes. bobduca Nov 2013 #153

I've seen it, and from multiple DU members. Scuba Nov 2013 #21

"The modern feminist is . . . Fred Phelps in a pantsuit." geek tragedy Nov 2013 #30

oh god, that thread. where people should have been kicked off DU and were not. nt La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #32

it was flypaper for misogynists and other rightwing creeps nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #33

Wow, glad I missed that. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #34

no one should feel ick, shame or hold value judgment with grown men buy schoolgirls soiled panties seabeyond Nov 2013 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #39

it is a man thing? all us little wimminz shouldnt worry our pretty, fragile head over? seabeyond Nov 2013 #40

That's a good question. kcr Nov 2013 #119

Glad I missed that thread Matariki Nov 2013 #52

That has got to be one of the downright silliest things I've ever read, on DU anyway. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #111

More accurately, you fixed it for you. LanternWaste Nov 2013 #64

"Some say" lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #92

. Bonobo Nov 2013 #96

Exactly. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #101

Yes, it's very noticeable in many instances R B Garr Nov 2013 #114

Yep kcr Nov 2013 #117

Gee, my experience has been the exact opposite. Go figure. freshwest Nov 2013 #5

"Yesterday somebody on Facebook told me that..." flvegan Nov 2013 #8

And the Patriarchy continues to crumble! DeSwiss Nov 2013 #10

LOL Matariki Nov 2013 #43

know what else? BainsBane Nov 2013 #11

Someone didn't read the article Matariki Nov 2013 #42

I did BainsBane Nov 2013 #46

:-) Matariki Nov 2013 #51

Feminism doesn't hurt men, it just ignores men davidn3600 Nov 2013 #16

The dominant culture will fight to stay that way. They will not give up power willingly. ehrnst Nov 2013 #37

this is akin to saying that civil rights group like the NAACP ignores whites La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #38

See number 5 BainsBane Nov 2013 #47

Let me tell you why you are missing the point... davidn3600 Nov 2013 #54

Your schtick on this is clear BainsBane Nov 2013 #56

I dont see the NAACP as a threat to whites at all in any shape or form davidn3600 Nov 2013 #57

Special treatment kcr Nov 2013 #58

Well apparently no one can counter my points.. davidn3600 Nov 2013 #63

You've been on DU over a year kcr Nov 2013 #68

Exactly. He's the one making the broad, sweeping generalization. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #124

Let's explore that point. "Feminism" = "equality" lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #131

I wouldnt expect any coherent response on such a question davidn3600 Nov 2013 #142

Seems like there's no room for shades of gray in your world. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #145

...but it seems OK in your world to treat men like dogshit davidn3600 Nov 2013 #147

you have found 2 or 3 things you preceive you can claim as unfair to men. i can give you a thousand seabeyond Nov 2013 #148

I never said that that particular concern was invalid. It's *not*. I think treatment of inmates nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #151

I'm testing the idea that "equality" means something attainable or even desirable. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #152

Why are "advocacy" and "equality" mutually exclusive? And why are these small, specific examples nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #154

I'm an advocate for people with disabilities. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #156

We may, in part, have different definitions of "equality." I accept that. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #161

I have a dictionary. I'd be happy to share. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #163

I wouldn't be opposed to an Office of Men's Health, since we men do have particular health needs nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #165

fully agree. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #166

are getting tubes tied free? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #155

Yes. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #157

and you know for sure vasectomies are not covered? that is wrong. something we should speak up seabeyond Nov 2013 #158

preventive care for men, women and children is defined by the USPSTF lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #160

someone made a very good point. this is about preventative. pregnancy effects the womans seabeyond Nov 2013 #159

That one example though shows the problem many have with feminism davidn3600 Nov 2013 #168

Prisoner abuse is one of our country's greatest shames. But why should feminists, specifically, nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Nov 2013 #170

then DO something about it. YOU have a problem with feminism cause women are not doing something seabeyond Nov 2013 #171

If people like him actually addressed "women's issues" then I would understand his complaining. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #172

because your "points" are terrible DireStrike Nov 2013 #70

Moreover, the argument that women's rights groups BainsBane Nov 2013 #72

I never said you have to fight for men... davidn3600 Nov 2013 #77

So the NAACP doesn't fight for equality? BainsBane Nov 2013 #79

Wait a minute. kcr Nov 2013 #80

That appears to be exactly what the poster is saying etherealtruth Nov 2013 #82

The key difference BainsBane Nov 2013 #83

Bingo kcr Nov 2013 #84

and THAT would be the point. their ass would be kick off so far if they said this about any group, seabeyond Nov 2013 #85

It's not the same thing.... davidn3600 Nov 2013 #86

Well, because YOU think so... kcr Nov 2013 #89

Translation BainsBane Nov 2013 #91

Exactly...it's an opinion.. davidn3600 Nov 2013 #93

Do people say things like "I'm not a feminist" kcr Nov 2013 #95

we have members of du going around putting up ugly, old women in order to shame us, like that stupid seabeyond Nov 2013 #105

I think it has more to do with divisive politics like with abortion davidn3600 Nov 2013 #109

Hmm. kcr Nov 2013 #112

because you think women have made "enough" progress, we should now help men out with theirs? again seabeyond Nov 2013 #94

I said gender equality has made more progress than racial equality davidn3600 Nov 2013 #97

no. we have not won. not only have we not won, we are in the process of backpedaling. seabeyond Nov 2013 #100

But, but we can vote BainsBane Nov 2013 #102

Yes, you've said it. And it gets dismissed because it doesn't matter. kcr Nov 2013 #116

You made me LOL. Good post! boston bean Nov 2013 #129

We didnt have to fight a civil war in order to get the 19th amendment davidn3600 Nov 2013 #137

So, one may reasonably argue there's a difference in degree, but not in kind. kcr Nov 2013 #140

"Gender issues have made far more progress socially and economically than racial issues." nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #144

this is the most ridiculous argument ever. we have radio hosts that call women sluts and whores and seabeyond Nov 2013 #146

Yeah, what "privilege" really means is all the bad shit that *doesn't* happen to you... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #149

OK...then lets abolish the selective service davidn3600 Nov 2013 #74

Poor men BainsBane Nov 2013 #87

Abolishing selective service has been a feminist position since at least the 1960s. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #90

Lower bail! Lower bail! boston bean Nov 2013 #132

+ a gazillion. n/t chervilant Nov 2013 #133

Then you haven't been given all the talking points DireStrike Nov 2013 #67

Someone hasn't read my posts... davidn3600 Nov 2013 #69

Well you didn't read mine, so that's fair. DireStrike Nov 2013 #71

And how are you so comfortable freely generalizing about so many people? nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #123

Point by point. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #81

It shouldn't hurt *that* much though. And as a guy I really get sick of the MRA whining. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #120

and the jury results are in.... aikoaiko Nov 2013 #103

Paternity (as well as maternity) leave? Readily available, affordable birth control for both sexes? nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #115

"I say feminists don't care about men." geek tragedy Nov 2013 #60

This is one of the more unintentionally funny posts I've seen in awhile. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #61

we are trying to keep girls from killing themselves, being raped, and beaten to death. nonexisting seabeyond Nov 2013 #78

Yeah, that's why the never ratified amendment was called the Women's Rights Amendment. n/t Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #49

Judging from your insupportable post, chervilant Nov 2013 #130

This sub thread was even better than the article. LMAO boston bean Nov 2013 #139

it is so beyond absurd. i have been sitting here reading the back and forth and for there to even seabeyond Nov 2013 #150

When a man runs for office ... Scuba Nov 2013 #22

especially when he looks like a fucking turtle snooper2 Nov 2013 #53

Don't fret, Sarah Palin is on your side ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #73

Sarah never met a victim card she didn't like. Scuba Nov 2013 #75

LOL. Iggo Nov 2013 #25

Hilarious. n/t Butterbean Nov 2013 #29

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #45

The loss of entitlement hurts worst when you didn't know you had it. Warpy Nov 2013 #59

K&R Solly Mack Nov 2013 #65

I really, truly, hope that this just a really clever piece of witty satire.......nt AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #66

Funny treestar Nov 2013 #76

Such a load of nonsense, this article Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #98

I must have missed this. Turbineguy Nov 2013 #107

I thought this was the Onion. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #126

lol seabeyond Nov 2013 #134

aah - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #141

Not The Onion, but obvious satire. Matariki Nov 2013 #136

It's all very sad. Deep13 Nov 2013 #167