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cali

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29. such as? what do you consider bullshit?

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:22 PM

Nov 2013

Is it bullshit that there's a perception problem? Is it bullshit that the democratic caucus in Congress is fracturing over it? Is it bullshit that there have been problems with the federal website?

whining about criticism and trying to shut it down is a big stinking unhelpful pile of shit.

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Is the ACA Unraveling? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 OP

No, it is getting fixed and adjusted quinnox Nov 2013 #1

stop it warrior1 Nov 2013 #2

stop what? Stop asking questions? Stop any criticism of the ACA at all? cali Nov 2013 #6

there's rational discussion vs "the sky is falling" nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #10

I don't disagree with that, but ANY criticism of the ACA is met with attempts cali Nov 2013 #14

most of the criticism is bullshit. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #25

such as? what do you consider bullshit? cali Nov 2013 #29

methinks you exaggerate some--there's a lot of criticism, much of it founded. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #39

It doesn't make sense. It's mandatory private insurance ON TOP OF the already broken system. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #3

Absent any price controls, other than the good will of PRIVATE for profit corporations.. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #48

Who have guaranteed margins under the law, subsidized by the Federal government??? Romulox Nov 2013 #56

A guaranteed profit margin? tridim Nov 2013 #63

They only have to spend 80% on care--a percentage that would invoke a Congressional Hearing if it Romulox Nov 2013 #66

Before the ACA they could legally spend 8% on care. tridim Nov 2013 #67

Before the ACA I wasn't forced to buy from them. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #70

If you wanted health insurance, yes, you were forced to buy from them. nt tridim Nov 2013 #71

So, a pointless subthread of what ifs. Mandatory for-profit insurance still is hard to justify. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #72

A good chunk of the 20% is overhead, not profits. Medicare has overhead too, and uses insurance Hoyt Nov 2013 #79

"administrative costs in Medicare are only about 2 percent of operating expenditures..." Romulox Nov 2013 #80

That doesn't include all administrative costs, and Medicare administration costs Hoyt Nov 2013 #86

I've heard this described as a Heritage foundation plan Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #64

I don't think it's even logical to believe that younger people *could* bail out this system. Romulox Nov 2013 #68

They can't, and they wont... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #83

It was shitty legislation. It can only get better n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #4

geezus... trash thread scheming daemons Nov 2013 #5

Medicine 101 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #13

"is it unraveling?" isn't reasoned discussion. it is mindless hysteria. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #24

It's a question AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #60

Jeebus man, don't panic. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #7

No. It isn't. One overlooked aspect of the 1 year extension is the requirement for ins. companies pinto Nov 2013 #8

I don't see that as a reason to lose your freakin mind over. Whisp Nov 2013 #15

And some of the reactions to the reaction AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #62

No. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #9

Honey, they haven't even started talking about the Major problems with the law Demeter Nov 2013 #16

The plan was well intentioned but... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #17

Working just fine here in a state that expanded Medicaid and set up its own exchange. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #18

Medicaid is NOT Obamacare Demeter Nov 2013 #27

Obamacare expanded Medicaid. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #28

Medicaid is Medicaid, an entirely separate and unequal program Demeter Nov 2013 #40

I'm a Medicaid caseworker and the conflation of the two irritates me to no end. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #35

The subsides as I understand it are actually tax credits...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #55

Yep. That's what's so alarming, and the defenders REFUSE to see it. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #84

but that is not the general perception of the ACA cali Nov 2013 #19

You can't make fixes when there's an entire political party, HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #21

If, as you claim, it's not possible to make fixes, than we're really fucked. cali Nov 2013 #32

No it isn't. Calm down. Whisp Nov 2013 #11

"asshairs on fire" might be my new favourite sky-is-falling phrase... SidDithers Nov 2013 #61

not unless our new kitten got a hold of it snooper2 Nov 2013 #12

The short answer seems to be Yes. badtoworse Nov 2013 #20

The more detailed answer looks rather like Napoleon's march on Russia Demeter Nov 2013 #30

I was thinking Stalingrad for the Germans. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #87

Same scenario, same results, different century Demeter Nov 2013 #90

It's Nth Dimensional Chess. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #22

... SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #69

What makes you say that? Rex Nov 2013 #23

It's already been partially implemented, and the exchanges are only six weeks old. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #26

that is what is is: GOP hysteria swallowed up whole without question Whisp Nov 2013 #31

way to stick your head in the sand. Public perception is a real phenomenon cali Nov 2013 #34

Furthermore, not all people are fooled by the PR Demeter Nov 2013 #41

It's not sticking your head in sand to look past the screech monkeys. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #47

I don't know that any other program has ever come under such intense TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #43

It doesn't matter who is causing the hysteria. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #45

Most people are not directly, negatively affected. Most people have TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #49

"not directly" is the key phrase FarCenter Nov 2013 #52

There's a lot of moving parts you've just introduced there, so I would need to see TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #53

Affordable Care Act Tax Provisions FarCenter Nov 2013 #58

No. It's the law, and it's not going anywhere. Laelth Nov 2013 #33

Why is Obama taking so much heat for ACA? It was designed by the House and Senate. FarCenter Nov 2013 #36

Not even close to unraveling Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #37

No. Get a grip. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #38

Jane Hamsher? Is that you? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #42

ah ha! It's coming to that time of pre-midterms again, isn't it? Whisp Nov 2013 #46

You know it! $$$$$$$$ Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #50

He has to save 2014!!!! RandiFan1290 Nov 2013 #44

no, the MSM in this country has been unraveling for some time now, and have reached a stage where lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #51

Worse than useless. factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #78

Holy shit you're right! Orrex Nov 2013 #54

We aren't getting single payer lapfog_1 Nov 2013 #57

Not yet, no... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #59

It is not unraveling. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #65

No, but that will probably be the meme for the next week. winter is coming Nov 2013 #73

Bernie was right on this one LittleBlue Nov 2013 #74

I hope not! Americans will need coverage when they get sick from China-processed "U.S." chickens! WinkyDink Nov 2013 #75

No. Get a grip. -nt gcomeau Nov 2013 #76

No Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2013 #77

Insurers cancelling some policies effective January 1st... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #81

Constant hysteria. The level of hysteria seems to remain constant whatever the issue. CJCRANE Nov 2013 #82

the m$m would have you believe.... spanone Nov 2013 #85

I am a major supporter, but it reminds me of finding an old jigsaw puzzle, libdem4life Nov 2013 #88

No, but people with backbone are getting more lonely. nt gulliver Nov 2013 #89