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30. The more detailed answer looks rather like Napoleon's march on Russia

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Is the ACA Unraveling? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 OP

No, it is getting fixed and adjusted quinnox Nov 2013 #1

stop it warrior1 Nov 2013 #2

stop what? Stop asking questions? Stop any criticism of the ACA at all? cali Nov 2013 #6

there's rational discussion vs "the sky is falling" nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #10

I don't disagree with that, but ANY criticism of the ACA is met with attempts cali Nov 2013 #14

most of the criticism is bullshit. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #25

such as? what do you consider bullshit? cali Nov 2013 #29

methinks you exaggerate some--there's a lot of criticism, much of it founded. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #39

It doesn't make sense. It's mandatory private insurance ON TOP OF the already broken system. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #3

Absent any price controls, other than the good will of PRIVATE for profit corporations.. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #48

Who have guaranteed margins under the law, subsidized by the Federal government??? Romulox Nov 2013 #56

A guaranteed profit margin? tridim Nov 2013 #63

They only have to spend 80% on care--a percentage that would invoke a Congressional Hearing if it Romulox Nov 2013 #66

Before the ACA they could legally spend 8% on care. tridim Nov 2013 #67

Before the ACA I wasn't forced to buy from them. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #70

If you wanted health insurance, yes, you were forced to buy from them. nt tridim Nov 2013 #71

So, a pointless subthread of what ifs. Mandatory for-profit insurance still is hard to justify. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #72

A good chunk of the 20% is overhead, not profits. Medicare has overhead too, and uses insurance Hoyt Nov 2013 #79

"administrative costs in Medicare are only about 2 percent of operating expenditures..." Romulox Nov 2013 #80

That doesn't include all administrative costs, and Medicare administration costs Hoyt Nov 2013 #86

I've heard this described as a Heritage foundation plan Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #64

I don't think it's even logical to believe that younger people *could* bail out this system. Romulox Nov 2013 #68

They can't, and they wont... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #83

It was shitty legislation. It can only get better n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #4

geezus... trash thread scheming daemons Nov 2013 #5

Medicine 101 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #13

"is it unraveling?" isn't reasoned discussion. it is mindless hysteria. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #24

It's a question AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #60

Jeebus man, don't panic. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #7

No. It isn't. One overlooked aspect of the 1 year extension is the requirement for ins. companies pinto Nov 2013 #8

I don't see that as a reason to lose your freakin mind over. Whisp Nov 2013 #15

And some of the reactions to the reaction AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #62

No. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #9

Honey, they haven't even started talking about the Major problems with the law Demeter Nov 2013 #16

The plan was well intentioned but... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #17

Working just fine here in a state that expanded Medicaid and set up its own exchange. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #18

Medicaid is NOT Obamacare Demeter Nov 2013 #27

Obamacare expanded Medicaid. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #28

Medicaid is Medicaid, an entirely separate and unequal program Demeter Nov 2013 #40

I'm a Medicaid caseworker and the conflation of the two irritates me to no end. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #35

The subsides as I understand it are actually tax credits...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #55

Yep. That's what's so alarming, and the defenders REFUSE to see it. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #84

but that is not the general perception of the ACA cali Nov 2013 #19

You can't make fixes when there's an entire political party, HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #21

If, as you claim, it's not possible to make fixes, than we're really fucked. cali Nov 2013 #32

No it isn't. Calm down. Whisp Nov 2013 #11

"asshairs on fire" might be my new favourite sky-is-falling phrase... SidDithers Nov 2013 #61

not unless our new kitten got a hold of it snooper2 Nov 2013 #12

The short answer seems to be Yes. badtoworse Nov 2013 #20

The more detailed answer looks rather like Napoleon's march on Russia Demeter Nov 2013 #30

I was thinking Stalingrad for the Germans. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #87

Same scenario, same results, different century Demeter Nov 2013 #90

It's Nth Dimensional Chess. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #22

... SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #69

What makes you say that? Rex Nov 2013 #23

It's already been partially implemented, and the exchanges are only six weeks old. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #26

that is what is is: GOP hysteria swallowed up whole without question Whisp Nov 2013 #31

way to stick your head in the sand. Public perception is a real phenomenon cali Nov 2013 #34

Furthermore, not all people are fooled by the PR Demeter Nov 2013 #41

It's not sticking your head in sand to look past the screech monkeys. TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #47

I don't know that any other program has ever come under such intense TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #43

It doesn't matter who is causing the hysteria. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #45

Most people are not directly, negatively affected. Most people have TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #49

"not directly" is the key phrase FarCenter Nov 2013 #52

There's a lot of moving parts you've just introduced there, so I would need to see TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #53

Affordable Care Act Tax Provisions FarCenter Nov 2013 #58

No. It's the law, and it's not going anywhere. Laelth Nov 2013 #33

Why is Obama taking so much heat for ACA? It was designed by the House and Senate. FarCenter Nov 2013 #36

Not even close to unraveling Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #37

No. Get a grip. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #38

Jane Hamsher? Is that you? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #42

ah ha! It's coming to that time of pre-midterms again, isn't it? Whisp Nov 2013 #46

You know it! $$$$$$$$ Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #50

He has to save 2014!!!! RandiFan1290 Nov 2013 #44

no, the MSM in this country has been unraveling for some time now, and have reached a stage where lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #51

Worse than useless. factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #78

Holy shit you're right! Orrex Nov 2013 #54

We aren't getting single payer lapfog_1 Nov 2013 #57

Not yet, no... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #59

It is not unraveling. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #65

No, but that will probably be the meme for the next week. winter is coming Nov 2013 #73

Bernie was right on this one LittleBlue Nov 2013 #74

I hope not! Americans will need coverage when they get sick from China-processed "U.S." chickens! WinkyDink Nov 2013 #75

No. Get a grip. -nt gcomeau Nov 2013 #76

No Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2013 #77

Insurers cancelling some policies effective January 1st... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #81

Constant hysteria. The level of hysteria seems to remain constant whatever the issue. CJCRANE Nov 2013 #82

the m$m would have you believe.... spanone Nov 2013 #85

I am a major supporter, but it reminds me of finding an old jigsaw puzzle, libdem4life Nov 2013 #88

No, but people with backbone are getting more lonely. nt gulliver Nov 2013 #89