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Laelth

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82. Obama delayed for 2 years on Syria.

Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:35 PM

Nov 2013

Our allies were pressuring him to go to war--Cameron, in particular. When Cameron was sabotaged by Labour in the UK, he punted and left Obama holding the ball. Obama, for his part, then turned the matter over to Congress and forced the Republican (who must oppose everything Obama does) to vote against war. It was brilliant! Putin had nothing to do with it, imo.

The administration has requested fast-track authority for the TPP, but that does not mean that Obama supports it. He's wily, and he holds his cards close to his chest. The United States has been dragging its feet on the TPP, and I take that as a good sign.

That said, I have no idea what the President's true feelings are on the TPP. Nor does anyone else ecxept, perhaps, the First Lady.

-Laelth

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Anyone want to try and defend the President on the TPP? [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

HAVE YOU EVER POSTED ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT THE PRESIDENT Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #1

This person is michello Nov 2013 #14

+1 we can do it Nov 2013 #16

+1 Poll_Blind Nov 2013 #23

+1000 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #28

One of many. L0oniX Nov 2013 #32

I'm with you. bvar22 Nov 2013 #133

No shit. I ain't voting for anyone that even smells like corporate spirit. L0oniX Nov 2013 #148

That sensitive? Really? nt Logical Nov 2013 #66

It's because of people like you... Hotler Nov 2013 #96

well good. we're freaking even. michello Nov 2013 #160

So, you agree with the TPP? Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #115

cali never really loved him!!1! QC Nov 2013 #40

So, thats a yes, you'll defend the TP? Or? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #43

Oh no Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #53

Good! Im glad you agree with cali on the TPP NoOneMan Nov 2013 #54

So you agree with her... AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #90

+10000000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #164

The list of not good things is getting longer than the good things he has done. RC Nov 2013 #74

<Raising hand and waving wildly> Oh, Let me...Let Me...I know this one. bvar22 Nov 2013 #77

You're right - I remember Cali as a loyal Obama supporter. Raksha Nov 2013 #105

Yes...So do I. n/t KoKo Nov 2013 #130

+1,000 Scuba Nov 2013 #165

Capt. Fast! Dr. Strange Nov 2013 #80

My version of "FIRST" Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #112

So your a supporter of TPP? AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #88

"you're" Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #94

Spelling police? AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #97

Keep jumping Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #108

Whatever you say officer AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #179

Way to go Capt. Obvious. Rex Nov 2013 #101

Thanks Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #110

Your username is awesome. Rex Nov 2013 #117

You clearly need to be MORE obvious, Cap'm Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #126

This thread needs more anger Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #135

Ask, and ye shall receive. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #159

Subtlety is clearly your strong suit Fumesucker Nov 2013 #147

She sure has. LWolf Nov 2013 #187

Obama sucks and is intentionally going to destroy America ProSense Nov 2013 #2

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #4

LOL! Searching for validation? ProSense Nov 2013 #5

no, that would be your shtick. I want people to oppose the President's cali Nov 2013 #8

Here ProSense Nov 2013 #10

Cali, thanks for your passion for truth and justice. Sorry about the jury decision and bullying. chimpymustgo Nov 2013 #17

That jury decision was bullshit. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #64

The post was fine. JEB Nov 2013 #69

Agree...that jury decision was bullshit. bvar22 Nov 2013 #81

Here is the "alert" and the jury results. bvar22 Nov 2013 #139

Yep. The jury system is fucked up.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #128

I would agree that the jury system is more harmful than useful. Whisp Nov 2013 #138

About 90% of the alerts I've juried... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #140

I totally agree. It's more harmful than useful, or has gotten to be so over time. Whisp Nov 2013 #142

The intended use is fine. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #146

I second or third or what ever that. RC Nov 2013 #76

Your schtick is more like the abbreviation of your heading...here let me help... Sheepshank Nov 2013 #46

Why not find a board mzmolly Nov 2013 #99

What do you think about the TPP? Wilms Nov 2013 #122

I think it's a bogus mzmolly Nov 2013 #169

Oh. So wait until it's a done deal that can't easily be reversed. Wilms Nov 2013 #174

No. Wait until we know what we're criticizing mzmolly Nov 2013 #178

Except that fast track means we won't know until it's too late. Wilms Nov 2013 #182

Fast track is not new and it doesn't mean we won't know mzmolly Nov 2013 #189

Did I say it's something new? Wilms Nov 2013 #190

LOL. Like commenting on a thread at DU has any impact on whether or not it gets done. MH1 Nov 2013 #184

It's so good they're keeping negotiations secret. Wilms Nov 2013 #185

I woulda thought a progressive board would be the right place to oppose corporate power grabs. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #141

I woulda thought there would have to be evidence of mzmolly Nov 2013 #168

Alert trolls are more lame. nt Union Scribe Nov 2013 #158

Sure...you got a current copy? nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #3

Plenty of leaked text. Including what Wikileaks released yesterday cali Nov 2013 #7

That looks to be from 2011. Do you have anything more current? nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #11

SnowGlen will leak a copy in on Tuesday uponit7771 Nov 2013 #20

SnowGlen? Wilms Nov 2013 #27

Nope, that's pretty much all that poster can manage LondonReign2 Nov 2013 #70

Oh no! mzmolly Nov 2013 #171

Enjoy your advocacy. But remember... Wilms Nov 2013 #175

Advocacy, for wanting information on mzmolly Nov 2013 #177

OK. Then you'll rec this thread. Right? Wilms Nov 2013 #181

It's from this August starroute Nov 2013 #30

What part troubles you mzmolly Nov 2013 #170

Maybe you could just defend the secrecy? Scuba Nov 2013 #166

Secrecy? mzmolly Nov 2013 #172

Wait, so now you have sufficient info Union Scribe Nov 2013 #180

I've researched the TPP and either I've missed something or not understood it well because.. BlueJazz Nov 2013 #6

"I like Obama but the Man sometimes puzzles the hell out of me." L0oniX Nov 2013 #35

I understand what you're saying. I've actually given Obama several breaks. BlueJazz Nov 2013 #61

What makes you think we haven't? bvar22 Nov 2013 #92

I like that...I like that a lot. BlueJazz Nov 2013 #93

What a great comeback! Raksha Nov 2013 #124

Perfect! nt Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #136

Bwahahaha! Ask, and they will jump in! djean111 Nov 2013 #9

Message hidden by jury decision L0oniX Nov 2013 #39

I can buy tube socks at Wal-Mart for a nickel! DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #12

Walmart for a nickle? Drale Nov 2013 #52

Anything that helps move jobs out of America is indefensible seveneyes Nov 2013 #13

I have absolutely no interest in defending the TPP. Laelth Nov 2013 #15

+1 scheming daemons Nov 2013 #21

"intense pressure to do it from both our oligarchs and from powerful members of the Party" L0oniX Nov 2013 #41

He could do that. Laelth Nov 2013 #49

I'd rather stand with and for those who reject and expose the 1%. L0oniX Nov 2013 #51

Me too. Laelth Nov 2013 #57

That's a stretch tblue Nov 2013 #83

I admit that I could be completely wrong about this. Laelth Nov 2013 #84

You nailed it. The "angry black man" fear hits to the heart of his leadership style. I agree with ancianita Nov 2013 #186

+1 Enthusiast Nov 2013 #55

I find this a reasonable defense. FredStembottom Nov 2013 #58

That's exactly why I like Elizabeth Warren. Laelth Nov 2013 #120

Brilliant response Coolest Ranger Nov 2013 #62

I've had a similar feeling sometimes paulkienitz Nov 2013 #73

Syria? Obama wanted to go to war. RC Nov 2013 #79

Obama delayed for 2 years on Syria. Laelth Nov 2013 #82

Google "Putin Syria" RC Nov 2013 #85

I agree with you on both issues: Syria and the TPP. Raksha Nov 2013 #125

Good effort but.... Armstead Nov 2013 #87

It was a stab in the dark. Laelth Nov 2013 #91

Well I love Elizabeth Warren... Armstead Nov 2013 #123

"wait and see how this plays out." As we see the results of THAT attitude in the President's ACA WinkyDink Nov 2013 #111

+++ wow, that's too rational! Whisp Nov 2013 #113

Thanks, Whisp. Laelth Nov 2013 #118

TPP is indefensible. Like Laelth I hope the president steps up and does the left thing Doctor_J Nov 2013 #18

He did find a way out of Syria TBF Nov 2013 #34

Is this ANOTHER... ANOTHER.. ANOTHER deal where Obama hates America but ends up not? regards uponit7771 Nov 2013 #19

yep scheming daemons Nov 2013 #24

The President hold his cards very close to his chest. Laelth Nov 2013 #37

If we don't speak out BEFORE things happen then we will get TBF Nov 2013 #38

Agree on both counts. pampango Nov 2013 #45

I agree. bvar22 Nov 2013 #151

For better or worse, the TPP will be a renegotiation of NAFTA since Canada and Mexico are members. pampango Nov 2013 #155

I would but the mental processes I would need to use Generic Other Nov 2013 #22

+1 L0oniX Nov 2013 #42

pudding Go Vols Nov 2013 #25

Awesome... SidDithers Nov 2013 #36

IF (a big if) it contains enforceable provisions on labor rights and the environment, pampango Nov 2013 #26

I am thinking it is like that, too treestar Nov 2013 #102

Since it appears to be moribund in Congress, I think MineralMan Nov 2013 #29

Just the little we've seen from TPP is not desirable - TBF Nov 2013 #31

I can't defend it or many of his other policies. MoonRiver Nov 2013 #33

You want to, first, try and credibly criticize President Obama on the TPP? DanM Nov 2013 #44

Nah, they'll just follow you around and snark at you and hump the alert button. QC Nov 2013 #47

Ah Ameddica ...turning dissenters into terrorists. L0oniX Nov 2013 #50

It's like Trickle Down on Steroids. Octafish Nov 2013 #48

Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #56

American businesses are sending jobs to China. What would you do about it? ieoeja Nov 2013 #59

How about expecting American-based companies to follow basic human rights? RainDog Nov 2013 #60

That is exactly what we are doing right now. ieoeja Nov 2013 #65

I can't tell if you' re trying to be wry, sarcastic, realistic or are a little naive Sheepshank Nov 2013 #68

Go to the BOG zipplewrath Nov 2013 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author rivegauche Nov 2013 #71

what's this about? shireen Nov 2013 #72

So Cali, what's the likelihood of the Teapartiers voting to give Obama fast track authority? KittyWampus Nov 2013 #75

Heck, Bush barely got 'fast track' authority from a republican congress. pampango Nov 2013 #150

Thank you cali. MuseRider Nov 2013 #78

The "defenses" actually illustrate the problem The Traveler Nov 2013 #86

BINGO! Armstead Nov 2013 #89

Over 600 corporate tools involved with this "secret" TPP bull shit. Where is the peoples voice? L0oniX Nov 2013 #154

They copyrighted the words Generic Other Nov 2013 #167

+1. jsr Nov 2013 #183

I disagee woth cali many times DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #95

I think Toilet Paper Paper is a great idea. Better than the invention of the Whisp Nov 2013 #116

What's to defend? mzmolly Nov 2013 #98

If there is anyone who can show he is doing something nefarious treestar Nov 2013 #100

Good discussion this morning on Democracy Now! with Cleita Nov 2013 #103

I had read that Penny Pritizger (now head of Commerce Dept.) KoKo Nov 2013 #129

It's pretty obvious it's big international corporations that are behind the whole push, but I'm Cleita Nov 2013 #145

There is no defense. It is an unconscionable betrayal of America and Americans. woo me with science Nov 2013 #104

(It's "The proof of the pudding is in the eating.") :-) WinkyDink Nov 2013 #106

The proof is in the putting! Whisp Nov 2013 #107

Fuck no. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #109

He needs no defense from the likes of you. great white snark Nov 2013 #114

"From the likes of you." LWolf Nov 2013 #191

Your OP is completely wrong. jazzimov Nov 2013 #119

What is TPP? n/t bobGandolf Nov 2013 #121

A free trade agreement...Trans Pacific Partnership. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #149

I think the TPP could use a more Transparent Process, Please. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #127

President Obama and SOS Clinton: solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #131

You're destroying the 'secrecy' mzmolly Nov 2013 #173

At this point I've given up on the Administration. Savannahmann Nov 2013 #132

Nope cynical_one Nov 2013 #134

Alas, they're busy defending drones, fracking, and the pursuit of whistleblowers. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #137

So do WH spokespeople. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #143

Both are acting as the Emperor's new clothes. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #144

... Whisp Nov 2013 #152

This thread is just... something. Yet ANOTHER jury hide. Was it worth the whopping 34 recs Number23 Nov 2013 #157

It reflects badly on DU that this was censored. Sad and pathetic jury. L0oniX Nov 2013 #153

Some can't, so they attack you personally. Skip Intro Nov 2013 #156

k&rNo, they can not. Instead they attack you. Disgraceful. idwiyo Nov 2013 #161

Anyone? Yep, here's Bill Watson of the CATO institute BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #162

Eleven-Dimensional chess holds that Fast Track was intended to fail. n/t mattclearing Nov 2013 #163

Nope. 2naSalit Nov 2013 #176

what part of the 'Trans-Pacific Partnership' is Pres O pushin' down USA citizens throats? Sunlei Nov 2013 #188

So I guess TPP doesn't stand for Transparency Promised? Lodestar Nov 2013 #192