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Land Shark

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18. The legal cases are already over, and I was/am the "one closest to the situation."

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 01:33 AM

Mar 2012

And the legal case outcomes - the system you want to "trust" "on this one" - agreed with what I said from the beginning. There's a link the the final media piece in the OP above. I hate to recommend media as a confirmation of "reality" but I think they are reliable for the more limited purposes of verifying if court hearings were held and what the basic outcome was.

I can tell that my length stressed your time limits for reading. Sorry.

Your response, though, is why I waited until after the cases were over, because it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable for people to have a doubt and want to wait and see how the legal outcomes go. (Though I must say after 15 years of working in and observing the legal system you may well have too much confidence in the system)

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will do as soon as possible. Justice wanted Mar 2012 #13

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It's understandable that you have no words, for I struggled SO HARD to find words myself. Land Shark Mar 2012 #14

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"Better safe than sorry" here means innocents get hurt. How's that fair or just? Land Shark Mar 2012 #124

Bookmarking for a reread tkmorris Mar 2012 #6

k&r to mark to read later and get past wtf is going on with you guys I am so sorry. uppityperson Mar 2012 #7

My heart goes out to you and your family. VenusRising Mar 2012 #8

Quite an ordeal. mmonk Mar 2012 #9

Good gawd, Paul, what a nightmare you and your family have been living! Mnemosyne Mar 2012 #10

Thanks. Some say "everyone who's dealt with CPS wants to sue CPS" Land Shark Mar 2012 #16

You have been through absolute hell and I pray it is resolved soon. Mnemosyne Mar 2012 #93

Be sure to kick this in the morning! sudopod Mar 2012 #11

recommend. Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #12

Thank you, Starry Mess... n/t Land Shark Mar 2012 #31

I'm so sorry. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #15

I think you're right that I need some time to relax. (Thanks) Land Shark Mar 2012 #19

"Yes, my daughter did get a relatively minor abdominal knife injury" NCTraveler Mar 2012 #17

The legal cases are already over, and I was/am the "one closest to the situation." Land Shark Mar 2012 #18

I read you whole post. NCTraveler Mar 2012 #21

Oh, ok, I didn't catch that meaning of "closest to you" Land Shark Mar 2012 #24

"The effect of local press is pretty devastating" NCTraveler Mar 2012 #26

Here snooper2 Mar 2012 #38

and the worst cases were taken offline Land Shark Mar 2012 #41

Makes no sense for me to re-publish the MOST wrong things Land Shark Mar 2012 #84

"found guilty {sic} of attempted murder by reason of sanity {sic}" Land Shark Mar 2012 #85

I would NEVER trust CPS or the legal system mntleo2 Mar 2012 #105

Thanks for adding your experience to this thread! n/t Land Shark Mar 2012 #106

NCTraveler seems to have misunderstood the OP. nt 2 Much Tribulation Mar 2012 #110

Was any proof shown to you that no one was signing up mmonk Mar 2012 #22

Just a single phone call... Land Shark Mar 2012 #33

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This message was self-deleted by its author Land Shark Mar 2012 #25

She was insane for... NCTraveler Mar 2012 #27

Kicking so I can read this more carefully tomorrow Duer 157099 Mar 2012 #28

I am aghast at all of this. truedelphi Mar 2012 #29

I didn't know there was a movement re CPS 2 Much Tribulation Mar 2012 #120

I ddn't (or don't) know abot CPS getting people's truedelphi Mar 2012 #122

Yes, there are microcosms in family court Land Shark Mar 2012 #125

wait. what? mdmc Mar 2012 #30

OH. MY. GOODNESS. OneGrassRoot Mar 2012 #32

The Joy of this girl is what came through to me as well. 2 Much Tribulation Mar 2012 #98

THANKS for seeing my daughter in this! Land Shark Mar 2012 #101

Here's link to the January, 2012 expose by 20/20 on Michigan CPS Land Shark Mar 2012 #35

well... TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #36

Thanks for a very good example of the general problem here Land Shark Mar 2012 #39

Did she not plead not guilty by reason of insanity? LisaL Mar 2012 #45

Not guilty by reason of alibi or Whatever is a legal acquittal, but... Land Shark Mar 2012 #48

Not guilty by reason of alibi or Whatever is a legal acquittal, but... Land Shark Mar 2012 #49

Did you even read your own link? TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #50

This is a toughie. I am inclined to agree with you and other skeptics. lapislzi Mar 2012 #53

Because you're willing to give your opinion, may I get your input on the following? Land Shark Mar 2012 #54

Hello? These are interesting questions from Land Shark for you to answer 2 Much Tribulation Mar 2012 #95

invited via PM to reply but nothing so far.... nt Land Shark Mar 2012 #102

The State's doctors say she's Asymptomatic for 9 months now Land Shark Mar 2012 #56

Oh Puleeeze mntleo2 Mar 2012 #113

KICK mntleo2 Mar 2012 #117

kick for mntleo2's comments, msgs interspersed in the range of 105-117 Land Shark Mar 2012 #118

How.... vile. Occulus Mar 2012 #42

Vile? Give me a break. LisaL Mar 2012 #44

Even if either of you were Miz Clio and able to diagnose someone over the intertubes EFerrari Mar 2012 #89

Incompetence or persecution? (assuming no other choices, of course) Land Shark Mar 2012 #90

Like this? EFerrari Mar 2012 #91

+1 Land Shark Mar 2012 #92

Lack of human kindness is putting it nicely, these people are ... mntleo2 Mar 2012 #115

You sing it Brotha! mntleo2 Mar 2012 #114

As far as I gather, there was no trial. LisaL Mar 2012 #43

Correct, there was no trial because the Prosecutor gave up, said he couldn't win at trial Land Shark Mar 2012 #55

Since she plead not guilty by reason of insanity, I presume prosecutor LisaL Mar 2012 #57

You have a misunderstanding about insanity and criminal procedure Land Shark Mar 2012 #61

People can make pleas during arraignment LiberalEsto Mar 2012 #62

Right. But it happened on the previously set trial date Land Shark Mar 2012 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Mar 2012 #60

K&R alfredo Mar 2012 #37

Thanks Alfredo, for the kick and rec. nt Land Shark Mar 2012 #108

It is so hard to find the right words. robinlynne Mar 2012 #40

Thank you robinlynne (it seems you found your "right words"); I appreciate it a lot! n/t Land Shark Mar 2012 #68

can't you guys leave the state? mimitabby Mar 2012 #46

Paul I have to say all the work that you and Andy Stevens have done to bring about change in our midnight Mar 2012 #47

Thanks for the compliment, tho I tend to doubt my work has anything to do with it Land Shark Mar 2012 #76

This reminds me of what happened to a nurse right after F-5 tornado hit Joplin, MO Bryn Mar 2012 #51

THANK YOU! Can't everyone just accept that sometimes true tragedies occur, like that nurse? Land Shark Mar 2012 #58

My ex-husband used to sleep-walk. One night loudsue Mar 2012 #52

When I was in college... rbnyc Mar 2012 #59

Thanks for the example. I mean this in the nicest way: that's insane! Land Shark Mar 2012 #63

I too have seen sleep walking with my own two eyes. mmonk Mar 2012 #75

My mom, my brother and I have all sleepwalked. EFerrari Mar 2012 #82

How did you feel when you found yourself there? mmonk Mar 2012 #86

I don't remember. EFerrari Mar 2012 #87

You have a beautiful little girl varelse Mar 2012 #65

Thank you so much. She needs a mom & her mom Made her more than I Land Shark Mar 2012 #79

This is disturbing on so many levels. I can't imagine how you've had the strength to handle lib_wit_it Mar 2012 #66

Thank you for this good example and your thoughts Land Shark Mar 2012 #67

I'm so sorry your family is going through this. It must be very difficult. GardeningGal Mar 2012 #69

Thanks so much for your thoughts and offer here Land Shark Mar 2012 #74

I'm so sorry for what your family has been through magical thyme Mar 2012 #70

Thanks (and here's an example of the Kafkaesque nightmare you mention) Land Shark Mar 2012 #77

I am deeply sorry your families plight. I do have one question... EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #71

trying to give a fair OVERALL impression here (read OP as a WHOLE) Land Shark Mar 2012 #72

Thank you. n/t EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #73

Don't you mean, "Thank you, and I apologize for asking you a question, the answer to which I would lib_wit_it Mar 2012 #78

I don't know Paul and EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #80

You know a little more now! :) Land Shark Mar 2012 #83

Thanks for proving my point, again. I clearly explained the problem, and your failure to grasp lib_wit_it Mar 2012 #88

I'm not aghast because I have dealt with the police and the state EFerrari Mar 2012 #81

I can see why you can relate based on the examples you give upthread Land Shark Mar 2012 #94

I'm still trying to figure out what kind of recovery is possible. EFerrari Mar 2012 #96

Thanks for this example of making it through (mostly) Land Shark Mar 2012 #97

Nami mdmc Mar 2012 #99

I'm sure they would have other roughly similar stories like those in the reply thread. nt Land Shark Mar 2012 #107

Kicking so I can come back later. Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #100

Thanks, and feel free to PM with questions, or ask them here. Land Shark Mar 2012 #103

kick 2 Much Tribulation Mar 2012 #104

"spacey and entirely sweet. She had nary a mean bone in her body or soul." Land Shark Mar 2012 #109

Family means the world. Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #111

Yes, and the world should be a family, too. Land Shark Mar 2012 #119

What a nightmare. Could moving to another state help? Liberty Belle Mar 2012 #112

There's more to the story than meets the eye here, Land Shark Mar 2012 #116

a late k and r nashville_brook Mar 2012 #123

kick 2 Much Tribulation Mar 2012 #126

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