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brer cat

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9. Thank you for bringing this forward, cali.

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 07:36 AM

Nov 2013

I am adding a quote from the Postscript.

"...It takes many people, including many people who believe they are well-meaning, to generate a result like this. We are all responsible for what has happened to this man. We enacted the laws, and upheld the rules, and supported the officials, responsible for his dire state. None of it happened by accident. None of it was ordained by fate. We all did this to him and now the question is whether we are going to do something about it."

There is a lot of discomfort in the statement above. However, unless we are willing to assume some of the responsibility, nothing is going to change. "I" didn't make the rules that allowed a Colorado prison to keep this young man in solitary confinement, but "I" certainly haven't spent much time trying to change the system that allowed this abuse to happen, or the subsequent failure to provide adequate mental health treatment.

"Out of Sight, Out of Mind" indeed.

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This story is unbearable. It is common. It's a sorry reflection of our society and culture [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

the ACLU has produced a film about Sam Mandez cali Nov 2013 #1

Where I live a young man was in a police lock up malaise Nov 2013 #8

there is no restitution for these atrocities cali Nov 2013 #12

+1,000 n/t malaise Nov 2013 #13

the point is, we are, heaven05 Nov 2013 #16

Sadly you're correct malaise Nov 2013 #19

"We're not getting better, anyone who believes that, stay in your bubble." CrispyQ Nov 2013 #32

thanks heaven05 Nov 2013 #34

Both our criminal justice system and the prison-industrial complex ... Laelth Nov 2013 #2

It's horrendous. I just posted an excerpt of another article cali Nov 2013 #4

It's very sad indeed, and infuriating as well. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #3

Are you kidding me? zeemike Nov 2013 #14

The Menendez brothers come to mind. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #20

the exceptions are far and few between cali Nov 2013 #21

That is absolutely correct. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #22

And so does OJ. zeemike Nov 2013 #23

Kindly re-read my post #3 - I think you might've misunderstood. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #25

Yes I think I did...and I apologize for it. zeemike Nov 2013 #27

It's a natural and forgivable mistake; at least it had better be, because all of us trip ourselves IrishAyes Nov 2013 #29

I was answering zeemike's post. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #28

k&r Disgraceful, Horrendous. Torture, pure and simple. Institutionalised TORTURE. idwiyo Nov 2013 #5

yes it is torrture. I'm always taken aback at how many people here scoff at that cali Nov 2013 #6

Well if you scoff at waterbording being torture zeemike Nov 2013 #15

I find it sickening how many embrace torture if it's done against the people they don't like. idwiyo Nov 2013 #30

K&R txwhitedove Nov 2013 #7

Thank you for bringing this forward, cali. brer cat Nov 2013 #9

thank you, brer cat, for adding that quote. The author is so right cali Nov 2013 #11

Wow. Compare and contrast. brer cat Nov 2013 #10

+1000. nt adirondacker Nov 2013 #18

+1 idwiyo Nov 2013 #31

These stories are horrifying and, ever worse, not rare. mountain grammy Nov 2013 #17

this kick is for those who deny that solitary is torture, cali Nov 2013 #24

They're doing it to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and he's not even been convicted, yet! Fawke Em Nov 2013 #26

Check the Human Rights Watch of Oct 2012 intaglio Nov 2013 #33