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29. And the whole bred to do this thing - ever been around an Iberian bull?

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 05:09 AM

Mar 2012

I have - and I would wager quite a bit of scratch that I've been around them in a way that no one in this thread can say that they have - and I am not talking pure idiocy like "The Running of the Bulls" or the like.

Those animals? Yeah, they love to fucking kill. It's true. They're hardly animals, anymore. They are essentially bred killing machines. But they sure as hell live for the chance to kill anything around them, and they eventually each die for it.

I'd never met an animal that I could find no point of relation to or emotional "you and me" connection to until I met Iberian bulls.*

It doesn't make the overall practice any less problematic.

* (As a point of reference, I've had deers who allowed me to track them (just me and my curiosity, no weapons, or desire to do any sort of harm whatsoever) for miles, ultimately allowing me to stand within feet of them for amazing stretches of time. The Iberian bull is the fucking scariest, most-compassion free creature I have ever encountered at close range)

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