This flippant attitude toward those harmed by the ACA will cost us 2014.

[Flatulo]

170. You really don't know what you're talking about unless you've looked at the real numbers.

My wife and I pay $900 per month for an employer plan with $0 deductibles, $0 co-pays, and no limits. In other words, a really, really, good plan by any conceivable metric, and actually far better than any plan available under the ACA.

Under the ACA, a much worse plan would go for $2600 per month for a plan that still has large copays and deductibles. This is entirely because of our age (57) and our income ($87K), which falls outside of the limits at which subsidies apply.

We don't have a second home, or expensive cars, and our vacation is a car drive to a public beach.

If you think middle class people have an extra $1700 lying around every month, out of a net income of $4,000, you're seriously out of touch. Large numbers of hard-working, squarely middle-class families are getting screwed to a fare-thee-well by the ACA pricing. They will not have insurance because they will not be able to afford a decent plan.

In other words, it's not you, so fuck them.