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cui bono

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88. OMFG... you can't possibly be serious.

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 08:59 PM

Nov 2013

I cna't believe how many people say that on here.

What else in life do you apply that to? Do you not think about consequences of any of your decisions before you make them?

Jesus fucking christ, that is one of the stupidest things people on here say, especially about something this importat. Have you not read even one thing about what will happen if this takes effect?

IF WE WAIT UNTIL IT HAPPENS IT WILL BE TOO FUCKING LATE. HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND?????!!!!

I remember when this place was filled with people smarter than I. It's hard to read some of the posts here now.

Go ahead, hide this post, I don't care, this needs to be said.

Btw.... why do you have "Progressive" in your name? Must be to try to convince people you really are progressive. No really, see? It's in the name it must be so!

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All of the copyright advisors to the admin on the TPP are from the industry. ALL of them. [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

This isn't true just of the copyright chapter. It's true of the entire vile thing cali Nov 2013 #1

Change We Can't Believe In billhicks76 Nov 2013 #71

More like "Change We Can't See" cui bono Nov 2013 #86

are you a stakeholder and trade under 2005 Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement? Sunlei Nov 2013 #129

so you don't think that the American People at large are stakeholders? cali Nov 2013 #130

the way the Gov defines 'stakeholders' no 'the people' are not corp owners or traders. Sunlei Nov 2013 #136

Corporate Democrats need to be expelled from the party. L0oniX Nov 2013 #2

if only. cali Nov 2013 #3

sounds like you don't want American owned companies to be able to sell and trade /w other countries? Sunlei Nov 2013 #131

Oh, really? PETRUS Nov 2013 #135

they will be shoved out by other countries like Mexico & Canada who will have a trade agreement. Sunlei Nov 2013 #137

What the hell are you talking about? PETRUS Nov 2013 #139

FDR created the National Recovery Administration Progressive dog Nov 2013 #5

Wow ...weak coffee this morning? L0oniX Nov 2013 #8

For those that don't know history zeemike Nov 2013 #12

Where did I mention the CCC, Progressive dog Nov 2013 #18

Yes he was one of the one percent. zeemike Nov 2013 #20

So, we should wait for the TPP deal Progressive dog Nov 2013 #26

what the hay? by that "logic" we should wait to pass judgment cali Nov 2013 #27

We should wait to pass judgement on rumors of Progressive dog Nov 2013 #66

Couldn't disagree more . . . MrModerate Nov 2013 #104

When something becomes a bill, it Progressive dog Nov 2013 #110

Well it was you than changed the conversation from TPP to NRA zeemike Nov 2013 #29

No I did not, you should read what I replied to Progressive dog Nov 2013 #62

I wish I could draw. I see a gun pointed at the head of the middle class and conservatives rhett o rick Nov 2013 #30

+1 cali Nov 2013 #31

Sounds like seeing people drowning at the beach when Progressive dog Nov 2013 #63

ridiculous. The TPP most certainly does exist. cali Nov 2013 #64

No it doesn't, negotiations are taking place, Progressive dog Nov 2013 #67

You are trying desperately to change the argument to whether the TPP technically "exists" until rhett o rick Nov 2013 #85

and there was no iraq war until congress voted authorization? tomp Nov 2013 #116

Childish name calling always Progressive dog Nov 2013 #119

that there was going to be a war was clear to anyone paying attention cali Nov 2013 #122

Do you ever read more than a sentence before replying, Progressive dog Nov 2013 #138

late response but for the record. tomp Nov 2013 #146

For the record LOL Progressive dog Nov 2013 #147

No it's like people on the beach looking at a giant tsunami and you telling them not to worry rhett o rick Nov 2013 #76

Or "maybe it's one of those fake guns with the funny flags that says BANG, let's at least wait GoneFishin Nov 2013 #84

OMFG... you can't possibly be serious. cui bono Nov 2013 #88

Yes, let's wait unti the damage is done - I'm sure it will get "fixed later" dflprincess Nov 2013 #97

Which part of a bill becoming law are Progressive dog Nov 2013 #112

I might ask you the same question dflprincess Nov 2013 #143

It is foolish until there is a bill or Progressive dog Nov 2013 #145

Yes, and I would add just one more thing: He was called a "traitor to his class" in his own time. whathehell Nov 2013 #72

"They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred." - FDR L0oniX Nov 2013 #79

Damn.. whathehell Nov 2013 #93

No one wants to destroy capitalism????? fasttense Nov 2013 #108

+1. thank you. said before I could. nt tomp Nov 2013 #115

He did not "save capitalism". He modified it with socialistic programs rhett o rick Nov 2013 #33

Roosevelt saved capitalism, the USA is not socialist Progressive dog Nov 2013 #59

He both saved it and modified it by adding SOCIALIST style programs. cali Nov 2013 #61

Capitalism does not include social programs. FDR modified capitalism into a rhett o rick Nov 2013 #82

Yep, exactly BuelahWitch Nov 2013 #13

The enemies of Democracy are embedded here. L0oniX Nov 2013 #80

It used corporate input to set prices (higher) Progressive dog Nov 2013 #16

What the heck does the NRA have to do with the TPP??? cali Nov 2013 #17

Well, the post I replied to had nothing to do with the TPP, Progressive dog Nov 2013 #22

Legislation that cuts social security hasn't been passed so cali Nov 2013 #28

So help me understand why someone would use such a ridiculous argument. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #35

blind partisanship and devotion to the President is all I can come up with, rhett cali Nov 2013 #42

Blind devotion and/or a strong belief in corporatism (maybe even fascism). rhett o rick Nov 2013 #49

I honestly don't think that these DUers have a strong belief in corporatism cali Nov 2013 #51

I think you are correct. A lot of our society is centered around authoritarianism. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #53

It's a talking point for sure. Definitely got a memo for this one, it's used by many on here. cui bono Nov 2013 #89

It just doesnt make sense to me. He/they provide no argument and try the logic rhett o rick Nov 2013 #133

Napster? RosettaStoned77 Nov 2013 #106

Absoutely embarassing - and questionable Divernan Nov 2013 #107

The top corporate Dem is currently in the White House FiveGoodMen Nov 2013 #7

The next one is the only one Enthusiast Nov 2013 #109

That's how our government works these days. Bought and paid for with obscene profits. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #4

I know lots of people here don't want to acknowledge that cali Nov 2013 #6

No truer words jsr Nov 2013 #94

They'll all be here tomorrow reccing the distraction du jour kitty cat pictures Corruption Inc Nov 2013 #102

yep. I know. cali Nov 2013 #114

K&R.... daleanime Nov 2013 #9

K&R for more visibility. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2013 #10

K&R n/t krispos42 Nov 2013 #11

sadly k/r 840high Nov 2013 #14

Is the new thinking that nation states are so old school gtar100 Nov 2013 #15

K & R! lonestarnot Nov 2013 #23

Welcome to fascism. n/t aggiesal Nov 2013 #19

Global fascism. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #37

Truly it's Global Fascism..if you read the financial news how we are KoKo Nov 2013 #78

Please dont apologize for venting. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #83

+10000000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #91

By gosh, I think you've got it! ReRe Nov 2013 #87

Most of the regulation and legislation.. sendero Nov 2013 #21

Much of it is, but by no means all of it cali Nov 2013 #24

Much like consulting with insurance companies on the issue of health care.... n/t annabanana Nov 2013 #25

Yes, and big pharma too. "Our" gov't is no more. polichick Nov 2013 #55

Bingo! jsr Nov 2013 #117

So who should do the advising? treestar Nov 2013 #32

Seriously? Sure. Public advocacy groups and experts on the issue like Sell cali Nov 2013 #34

Where did dI say that? treestar Nov 2013 #40

why would you even ask that question? cali Nov 2013 #45

Because it's easy to ask questions but much harder to actually make a stand. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #101

Is seems like people trying to figure out where you stand often ends up with them guessing rhett o rick Nov 2013 #46

*crickets* cui bono Nov 2013 #92

*toads* Oilwellian Nov 2013 #98

So are you ok that there isnt anyone defending the rights of the 99%? I can think rhett o rick Nov 2013 #41

How about some non-industry representatives? ThoughtCriminal Nov 2013 #43

If you believe the corporations are the only voices that matter, how is your argument TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #50

colorfully stated. The question posed by that poster reveals cali Nov 2013 #57

Are you serious? marmar Nov 2013 #128

Cali--Did you catch this debate between Bill Watson (Cato) and Lori Wallach (Public Citizen)? KoKo Nov 2013 #36

Yes, thanks, KoKo. Lori Wallach is a hero. cali Nov 2013 #38

I see a number of hero's stepping forward. We may make a fight out of this. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #39

Did anybody read the Wikileak of that section? rucky Nov 2013 #44

yes. I read it, but I too had to go to other sources for more info and clarification cali Nov 2013 #47

Thanks! rucky Nov 2013 #52

Considering that all the crafters of the ACA were all insurance insiders and other Cleita Nov 2013 #48

Which unions are in favor? fadedrose Nov 2013 #54

I don't think any unions have come out in support. Many have come out in opposition cali Nov 2013 #56

Good ole Yahoo fadedrose Nov 2013 #74

K&R Nice work staying on this story. n/t pa28 Nov 2013 #58

thanks. Clearly some here don't appreciate it, but it's nice to hear from those who do- cali Nov 2013 #60

2018: "the only people I know against ObamaTrades are the 'Baggers who want NAFTA back" MisterP Nov 2013 #65

One key question about the article. Progressive dog Nov 2013 #68

because there is no debate. you said it. cali Nov 2013 #75

Thank goodness the Admin has the ACA SNAFU to grab public attention, no? WinkyDink Nov 2013 #69

K & R ctsnowman Nov 2013 #70

Corporations write the policies and also play the role of executive editors within our Lodestar Nov 2013 #73

So what is the problem with... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #77

read all the links and you'll understand cali Nov 2013 #81

This is a very tendentious site... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #95

Bullshit. Jonas Salk gave away his vaccine eridani Nov 2013 #96

Salk didn't patten his vacine... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #100

Solid government funding for continued research was all scientists needed in the 50s and 60s eridani Nov 2013 #103

We certainly do need solid government funding of research. And I support it. But... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #126

Google "Bell Labs" and read the sad story of their downsizing since their glory days-- eridani Nov 2013 #141

You are arguing that patent protection is a public good... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #142

The hostility is to the unnecessary EXPANSION of intellectual property rights-- eridani Nov 2013 #144

American Corporations vs. Foreign Corporations Conium Nov 2013 #90

Why, I believe I will adopt your viewpoint right now. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #111

Obama is smart but NOT infallible. fasttense Nov 2013 #113

My hope remains that Obama has not yet made a decision on the TPP. Laelth Nov 2013 #120

He has not kept his options open. He has stated over and over that cali Nov 2013 #121

You're right. I should probably take him at his word. Laelth Nov 2013 #124

he's pushing it hard but not so much publicly- for obvious reasons cali Nov 2013 #125

Fair enough and entirely possible. Laelth Nov 2013 #134

He may be smart but that doesnt mean he alaways does the right thing Armstead Nov 2013 #132

TROJAN Horse blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #99

Heard about this site and wanted to pass it on. If it hasn't already YOHABLO Nov 2013 #105

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #118

Well it -is- a constitutional convention for the new corporatist world order, HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #123

I think of the TPP as the Enabling Act for Corporate rule. n/t fasttense Nov 2013 #140

k/r marmar Nov 2013 #127