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104. CNN Failed to Credit Bill Kelly's role in their report on the Air Force One tapes.

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 09:47 PM

Nov 2013

More JFK denialism: CNN fails to credit source for Air Force One tape story

Jefferson Morley
November 16, 2013

Picking up on a story first reported in JFK Facts, CNN reporter Jake Tapper aired dramatic conversations from the reconstituted Air Force Once tapes from November 22, 1963, capturing the real-time reaction of U.S. government officials as the news spreads that President Kennedy had been shot in Dallas.

But Tapper’s otherwise compelling report also illuminates the unfortunate power of JFK denialism in major news organizations.

JFK denialism is the impulse to deny or avoid the troubling facts of JFK’s assassination in the service of presenting a reassuring narrative about the causes of the murder of the president.

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Tapper didn’t succumb to JFK denialim entirely. He recognized the AIr Force One tapes story is “an unflinching look at history unfolding.” He rightly highlights the role of audio expert Ed Primeau in making the recording audible. And he let Primeau explain one of the most important facts about the Air Force One tape: It has been edited out of a longer tape that has never been heard.

“Whoever created the tapes had certain parts of the conversation they didn’t want anyone to hear,” Primeau says.

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How could Bundy have possibly known there was no conspiracy when Oswald was arrested? Sanity Claws Nov 2013 #1

JFK's aide Kenny O'Donnell may have wondered about that... Octafish Nov 2013 #7

Is this the same Harriman as in hootinholler Nov 2013 #19

The very same. Octafish Nov 2013 #27

Jackie and the children stayed at Averell Harriman's home Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #102

James Galbraith wrote his dad, John Kenneth Galbraith, made the arrangements... Octafish Nov 2013 #103

yup, I agree with you suspicions gopiscrap Nov 2013 #12

I would love to be there gopiscrap Nov 2013 #2

Generals mocking JFK behind his back during Cuban Missile Crisis caught on another tape... Octafish Nov 2013 #8

wow, fucking warmongers! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #9

Lisa Pease: JFK, FDR and 'Seven Days in May' Octafish Nov 2013 #56

thanks I want to read that! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #57

If JFK had to put up with this sh*t, what do imagine President Obama has to face? nt kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #59

Did LBJ suspect Soviet involvement, or was he pretending to suspect it? nt 851-977 Nov 2013 #3

That's all Mr. Kelly said on that. Others at the conference expressed the opinion LBJ... Octafish Nov 2013 #6

Are you familiar with the book Thom Hartmann arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #79

Curtis Lemay jehop61 Nov 2013 #4

You are thinking of General Edwin Walker. former9thward Nov 2013 #5

I doubt that Osawld did that gopiscrap Nov 2013 #11

No but he was the lone patsy. zeemike Nov 2013 #22

And Walker maintained that there was someone else involved. Sanity Claws Nov 2013 #14

The only reason Oswald was considered a crack shot was because former9thward Nov 2013 #21

thanks. memory does, at times, play tricks jehop61 Nov 2013 #16

no LeMay was the crazy fuck who was a vice presidential candidate gopiscrap Nov 2013 #10

have you come to your own conclusions? xiamiam Nov 2013 #13

The evidence seems to show a clear trail from LHO to Moscow. Octafish Nov 2013 #29

Oliver Stone was on Democracy Now! today talking about JFK deutsey Nov 2013 #15

Excellent! avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #18

Oliver Stone may've saved democracy in the United States of America. Octafish Nov 2013 #30

Thanks, Octa! deutsey Nov 2013 #31

Thanks, Octafish! And a Big DU Welcome to Bill Kelly, wherever you are! calimary Nov 2013 #17

Thank you, calimary! Octafish Nov 2013 #75

I doubt the "LeMay was really in Canada" thing has any legs. louis-t Nov 2013 #20

Yep there are all kinds of theories around. zeemike Nov 2013 #26

Here's Bill Kelly's thread at the JFK Education Forum on the same subject. stranger81 Nov 2013 #23

Also see the Doug Horne interview linked here, re the Clifton tapes: stranger81 Nov 2013 #25

Doug Horne worked for the ARRB... Octafish Nov 2013 #44

Hope this doesn't get locked. zeemike Nov 2013 #24

Detroit Free Press has story on Sunday front page... Octafish Nov 2013 #83

Well I am glad this is still hear and active. zeemike Nov 2013 #90

More from your jfkcountercoup link: Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #28

SOP doesn't apply to some posters...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #33

So it goes. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #34

Why do you continue to imply things that are not true about me, SidDithers? Octafish Nov 2013 #36

You are a very respected DUer Octafish, one of the most respected, in fact one of the reasons sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author Octafish Nov 2013 #40

The "new tape" was released in Jan '12. And the article shows it's not a lie Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #43

The salient information from the new tape is LeMay lied about his whereabouts (REPOST). Octafish Nov 2013 #45

And my points still remain valid. Not a new tape, and not proof of a lie. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #46

Absolutely. And the fact remains LeMay disobeyed orders... Octafish Nov 2013 #47

Lemay disobeying orders is yet to be established, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #48

It's relevant because it was edited out of the tapes in the National Archives. Octafish Nov 2013 #49

The conversation between LBJ, Ladybird, and Rose Kennedy was also edited out, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #50

My source is Bill Kelly. His source is Andrews AFB Log from 22 November 1963. Octafish Nov 2013 #53

OK, already it's changed from "disobeyed an order" to "disobeyed wishes." Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #54

No. LeMay disobeyed an order to fly to Andrews AFB. All the rest of that is what you say. Octafish Nov 2013 #55

I have shown you are wrong about that. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #58

The log puts 'NOT' in all caps, meaning Le May is not going where he was ordered. Octafish Nov 2013 #60

There was no order. You are 100% wrong about that. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #61

Insubordination is a crime, Bolo Boffin. Octafish Nov 2013 #62

But what you are saying is insubordination is not insubordination, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #63

Something to remember to ask when going over all this: Why was LeMay in Canada? Octafish Nov 2013 #64

He was in Upper Michigan on a hunting and fishing trip. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #65

No. I'm just wondering why he had to be picked up hundreds of miles away in Canada. Octafish Nov 2013 #67

Well, whatever floats your boat. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #69

There's no need to theorize. The facts themselves are startling. Octafish Nov 2013 #70

Hammer sees every problem as a nail: startling! n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #71

Which is why Dulles and Lemnitzer counseled all-out nuclear sneak attack on USSR Octafish Nov 2013 #72

And so how did the all-out nuclear attack on USSR go after Kennedy was out of the way? n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #73

THE TAKE-AWAY: JFK stood up to the Cold War hawks who counseled war -- EVERY TIME. Octafish Nov 2013 #74

You mean they killed Kennedy to get a nuclear war and then they didn't get one? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #76

It looks that way. Octafish Nov 2013 #77

It's not telling. It's not relevant. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #82

Well, that certainly is what Allen Dulles and J Edgar Hoover said happened. Octafish Nov 2013 #84

You certainly do have an addiction to the genetic fallacy. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #94

Hitler connects directly to Allen Dulles and John McCloy... Octafish Nov 2013 #95

And Justin Bieber? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #97

The CIA enlisted the Mafia to assassinate Castro in 1960. Octafish Nov 2013 #98

And this was openly known and provable in 1960? Which was my question? n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #99

You asked about Justin Bieber, Bolo Boffin. Octafish Nov 2013 #100

Yes, to introduce some much needed levity to this discussion. Nevertheless Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #101

A recurring theme throughout Kennedy's term in office seems to be the Pentagon's 'desire' for a..... LongTomH Nov 2013 #32

Yes, and once they offed JFK, they starting shooting nukes! Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #35

It looks like that was their plan in Dallas, too, doesn't it? Octafish Nov 2013 #37

So how did that late 1963 preemptive nuclear strike work out for the Pentagon? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #39

That would make an excellent avenue of inquiry, Bolo Boffin. Octafish Nov 2013 #41

I'll get right on that. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #42

Interesting collection of books, including Michio Kaku and Daniel Axelrod's... Octafish Nov 2013 #38

What Curtis LeMay had to say about things: JDPriestly Nov 2013 #51

LeMay was Dixiecrat George Wallace's running mate in '68. Octafish Nov 2013 #52

Sorry if this was asked/answered already ... Myrina Nov 2013 #66

That was addressed at the Duquesne conference... Octafish Nov 2013 #68

something that has always bothered me was... grasswire Nov 2013 #78

Many in the Cabinet were over the Pacific, en route to Tokyo... Octafish Nov 2013 #80

Analysis Of Reports And Data Bearing On Circumstances Of Death Of Twenty-One Individuals Connected bobthedrummer Nov 2013 #81

Interesting, yes. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #85

She overdosed. Plain and simple. Happens all the time. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #87

Fascinating OP, Octafish. I had never heard of LeMay before. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #86

LeMay was very complicated fellow...a Hero and a Patriot... Octafish Nov 2013 #91

Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? warrior1 Nov 2013 #89

That is a very important question. Octafish Nov 2013 #92

A very clear example of info tampering Oilwellian Nov 2013 #93

CNN Failed to Credit Bill Kelly's role in their report on the Air Force One tapes. Octafish Nov 2013 #104

Alan Moore (author of V For Vendetta) on conspiracy theories... YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #96

How many JFK assassination books has he read? Octafish Nov 2013 #105