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130. so you don't think that the American People at large are stakeholders?

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Sun Nov 17, 2013, 10:15 AM

Nov 2013

Most experts sure as shit do.

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All of the copyright advisors to the admin on the TPP are from the industry. ALL of them. [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

This isn't true just of the copyright chapter. It's true of the entire vile thing cali Nov 2013 #1

Change We Can't Believe In billhicks76 Nov 2013 #71

More like "Change We Can't See" cui bono Nov 2013 #86

are you a stakeholder and trade under 2005 Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement? Sunlei Nov 2013 #129

so you don't think that the American People at large are stakeholders? cali Nov 2013 #130

the way the Gov defines 'stakeholders' no 'the people' are not corp owners or traders. Sunlei Nov 2013 #136

Corporate Democrats need to be expelled from the party. L0oniX Nov 2013 #2

if only. cali Nov 2013 #3

sounds like you don't want American owned companies to be able to sell and trade /w other countries? Sunlei Nov 2013 #131

Oh, really? PETRUS Nov 2013 #135

they will be shoved out by other countries like Mexico & Canada who will have a trade agreement. Sunlei Nov 2013 #137

What the hell are you talking about? PETRUS Nov 2013 #139

FDR created the National Recovery Administration Progressive dog Nov 2013 #5

Wow ...weak coffee this morning? L0oniX Nov 2013 #8

For those that don't know history zeemike Nov 2013 #12

Where did I mention the CCC, Progressive dog Nov 2013 #18

Yes he was one of the one percent. zeemike Nov 2013 #20

So, we should wait for the TPP deal Progressive dog Nov 2013 #26

what the hay? by that "logic" we should wait to pass judgment cali Nov 2013 #27

We should wait to pass judgement on rumors of Progressive dog Nov 2013 #66

Couldn't disagree more . . . MrModerate Nov 2013 #104

When something becomes a bill, it Progressive dog Nov 2013 #110

Well it was you than changed the conversation from TPP to NRA zeemike Nov 2013 #29

No I did not, you should read what I replied to Progressive dog Nov 2013 #62

I wish I could draw. I see a gun pointed at the head of the middle class and conservatives rhett o rick Nov 2013 #30

+1 cali Nov 2013 #31

Sounds like seeing people drowning at the beach when Progressive dog Nov 2013 #63

ridiculous. The TPP most certainly does exist. cali Nov 2013 #64

No it doesn't, negotiations are taking place, Progressive dog Nov 2013 #67

You are trying desperately to change the argument to whether the TPP technically "exists" until rhett o rick Nov 2013 #85

and there was no iraq war until congress voted authorization? tomp Nov 2013 #116

Childish name calling always Progressive dog Nov 2013 #119

that there was going to be a war was clear to anyone paying attention cali Nov 2013 #122

Do you ever read more than a sentence before replying, Progressive dog Nov 2013 #138

late response but for the record. tomp Nov 2013 #146

For the record LOL Progressive dog Nov 2013 #147

No it's like people on the beach looking at a giant tsunami and you telling them not to worry rhett o rick Nov 2013 #76

Or "maybe it's one of those fake guns with the funny flags that says BANG, let's at least wait GoneFishin Nov 2013 #84

OMFG... you can't possibly be serious. cui bono Nov 2013 #88

Yes, let's wait unti the damage is done - I'm sure it will get "fixed later" dflprincess Nov 2013 #97

Which part of a bill becoming law are Progressive dog Nov 2013 #112

I might ask you the same question dflprincess Nov 2013 #143

It is foolish until there is a bill or Progressive dog Nov 2013 #145

Yes, and I would add just one more thing: He was called a "traitor to his class" in his own time. whathehell Nov 2013 #72

"They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred." - FDR L0oniX Nov 2013 #79

Damn.. whathehell Nov 2013 #93

No one wants to destroy capitalism????? fasttense Nov 2013 #108

+1. thank you. said before I could. nt tomp Nov 2013 #115

He did not "save capitalism". He modified it with socialistic programs rhett o rick Nov 2013 #33

Roosevelt saved capitalism, the USA is not socialist Progressive dog Nov 2013 #59

He both saved it and modified it by adding SOCIALIST style programs. cali Nov 2013 #61

Capitalism does not include social programs. FDR modified capitalism into a rhett o rick Nov 2013 #82

Yep, exactly BuelahWitch Nov 2013 #13

The enemies of Democracy are embedded here. L0oniX Nov 2013 #80

It used corporate input to set prices (higher) Progressive dog Nov 2013 #16

What the heck does the NRA have to do with the TPP??? cali Nov 2013 #17

Well, the post I replied to had nothing to do with the TPP, Progressive dog Nov 2013 #22

Legislation that cuts social security hasn't been passed so cali Nov 2013 #28

So help me understand why someone would use such a ridiculous argument. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #35

blind partisanship and devotion to the President is all I can come up with, rhett cali Nov 2013 #42

Blind devotion and/or a strong belief in corporatism (maybe even fascism). rhett o rick Nov 2013 #49

I honestly don't think that these DUers have a strong belief in corporatism cali Nov 2013 #51

I think you are correct. A lot of our society is centered around authoritarianism. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #53

It's a talking point for sure. Definitely got a memo for this one, it's used by many on here. cui bono Nov 2013 #89

It just doesnt make sense to me. He/they provide no argument and try the logic rhett o rick Nov 2013 #133

Napster? RosettaStoned77 Nov 2013 #106

Absoutely embarassing - and questionable Divernan Nov 2013 #107

The top corporate Dem is currently in the White House FiveGoodMen Nov 2013 #7

The next one is the only one Enthusiast Nov 2013 #109

That's how our government works these days. Bought and paid for with obscene profits. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #4

I know lots of people here don't want to acknowledge that cali Nov 2013 #6

No truer words jsr Nov 2013 #94

They'll all be here tomorrow reccing the distraction du jour kitty cat pictures Corruption Inc Nov 2013 #102

yep. I know. cali Nov 2013 #114

K&R.... daleanime Nov 2013 #9

K&R for more visibility. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2013 #10

K&R n/t krispos42 Nov 2013 #11

sadly k/r 840high Nov 2013 #14

Is the new thinking that nation states are so old school gtar100 Nov 2013 #15

K & R! lonestarnot Nov 2013 #23

Welcome to fascism. n/t aggiesal Nov 2013 #19

Global fascism. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #37

Truly it's Global Fascism..if you read the financial news how we are KoKo Nov 2013 #78

Please dont apologize for venting. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #83

+10000000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #91

By gosh, I think you've got it! ReRe Nov 2013 #87

Most of the regulation and legislation.. sendero Nov 2013 #21

Much of it is, but by no means all of it cali Nov 2013 #24

Much like consulting with insurance companies on the issue of health care.... n/t annabanana Nov 2013 #25

Yes, and big pharma too. "Our" gov't is no more. polichick Nov 2013 #55

Bingo! jsr Nov 2013 #117

So who should do the advising? treestar Nov 2013 #32

Seriously? Sure. Public advocacy groups and experts on the issue like Sell cali Nov 2013 #34

Where did dI say that? treestar Nov 2013 #40

why would you even ask that question? cali Nov 2013 #45

Because it's easy to ask questions but much harder to actually make a stand. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #101

Is seems like people trying to figure out where you stand often ends up with them guessing rhett o rick Nov 2013 #46

*crickets* cui bono Nov 2013 #92

*toads* Oilwellian Nov 2013 #98

So are you ok that there isnt anyone defending the rights of the 99%? I can think rhett o rick Nov 2013 #41

How about some non-industry representatives? ThoughtCriminal Nov 2013 #43

If you believe the corporations are the only voices that matter, how is your argument TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #50

colorfully stated. The question posed by that poster reveals cali Nov 2013 #57

Are you serious? marmar Nov 2013 #128

Cali--Did you catch this debate between Bill Watson (Cato) and Lori Wallach (Public Citizen)? KoKo Nov 2013 #36

Yes, thanks, KoKo. Lori Wallach is a hero. cali Nov 2013 #38

I see a number of hero's stepping forward. We may make a fight out of this. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #39

Did anybody read the Wikileak of that section? rucky Nov 2013 #44

yes. I read it, but I too had to go to other sources for more info and clarification cali Nov 2013 #47

Thanks! rucky Nov 2013 #52

Considering that all the crafters of the ACA were all insurance insiders and other Cleita Nov 2013 #48

Which unions are in favor? fadedrose Nov 2013 #54

I don't think any unions have come out in support. Many have come out in opposition cali Nov 2013 #56

Good ole Yahoo fadedrose Nov 2013 #74

K&R Nice work staying on this story. n/t pa28 Nov 2013 #58

thanks. Clearly some here don't appreciate it, but it's nice to hear from those who do- cali Nov 2013 #60

2018: "the only people I know against ObamaTrades are the 'Baggers who want NAFTA back" MisterP Nov 2013 #65

One key question about the article. Progressive dog Nov 2013 #68

because there is no debate. you said it. cali Nov 2013 #75

Thank goodness the Admin has the ACA SNAFU to grab public attention, no? WinkyDink Nov 2013 #69

K & R ctsnowman Nov 2013 #70

Corporations write the policies and also play the role of executive editors within our Lodestar Nov 2013 #73

So what is the problem with... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #77

read all the links and you'll understand cali Nov 2013 #81

This is a very tendentious site... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #95

Bullshit. Jonas Salk gave away his vaccine eridani Nov 2013 #96

Salk didn't patten his vacine... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #100

Solid government funding for continued research was all scientists needed in the 50s and 60s eridani Nov 2013 #103

We certainly do need solid government funding of research. And I support it. But... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #126

Google "Bell Labs" and read the sad story of their downsizing since their glory days-- eridani Nov 2013 #141

You are arguing that patent protection is a public good... reACTIONary Nov 2013 #142

The hostility is to the unnecessary EXPANSION of intellectual property rights-- eridani Nov 2013 #144

American Corporations vs. Foreign Corporations Conium Nov 2013 #90

Why, I believe I will adopt your viewpoint right now. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #111

Obama is smart but NOT infallible. fasttense Nov 2013 #113

My hope remains that Obama has not yet made a decision on the TPP. Laelth Nov 2013 #120

He has not kept his options open. He has stated over and over that cali Nov 2013 #121

You're right. I should probably take him at his word. Laelth Nov 2013 #124

he's pushing it hard but not so much publicly- for obvious reasons cali Nov 2013 #125

Fair enough and entirely possible. Laelth Nov 2013 #134

He may be smart but that doesnt mean he alaways does the right thing Armstead Nov 2013 #132

TROJAN Horse blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #99

Heard about this site and wanted to pass it on. If it hasn't already YOHABLO Nov 2013 #105

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #118

Well it -is- a constitutional convention for the new corporatist world order, HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #123

I think of the TPP as the Enabling Act for Corporate rule. n/t fasttense Nov 2013 #140

k/r marmar Nov 2013 #127