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In reply to the discussion: Americans Killed by Cops Now Outnumber Americans Killed in Iraq War [View all]Orrex
(67,032 posts)32. Better. But look closely:
Ross analyzed 1,000 randomly selected cases published by federal courts from 1989 to 2012, involving police use of deadly force and allegations of constitutional violations under section 1983 of the federal Civil Rights Act.
So what you're citing is a specific category of incidents of deadly force, of which less than 20% involved an unarmed suspect.
First, you either need to abandon your 30% figure or provide support for it, because the current citation contradicts it.
Second, you are making an unsupported leap between the use of deadly force in a specific type of situation and the use of force in all police encounters, but you are presenting your statistics as if they apply across the board. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is an honest mistake of methodology on your part rather than a deliberate attempt at deception, but you need to rephrase your assertion in either case.
From our interaction so far, I suspect that you'll claim that I "don't like" your documentation, or that I'm "denying reality," as you have claimed previously. Neither of these is accurate; I am in fact pointing out how your chosen source material doesn't support the claims that you're making.
Intellectual honesty should inspire you to change your assertions to be consistent with your sources or else find other sources that support your assertions. Simply attacking someone for disagreeing with you is sloppy and irresponsible.
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Well, we discussed that 65/189 figure in a different thread, and the same is true
Orrex
Nov 2013
#34
That "nearly 1 in 5" figure is drawn from cases where a suit was filed in Federal court
sl8
Nov 2013
#51
K&R. That's a big reason I hated the Cops type shows glorifying their violence. /nt
Overseas
Nov 2013
#8
Yes, and 99% of america trusts them 100% and think they are always right and telling....
Logical
Nov 2013
#15
People are raised from day one to believe the police are your friends and always right. n-t
Logical
Nov 2013
#16
No knock raids should be illegal except in rare circumstances. If someone kicks in my front...
Logical
Nov 2013
#14
This is what you get when the line of recruits are fans of the show "Cops".
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2013
#21
I wish Police would protect "Brown Skinned Children" as much as they do their own children
FreakinDJ
Nov 2013
#40