80% of the US Population is at or below the POVERTY line - WHY is this NOT a National Emergency???

[libdem4life]

199. Thank you for your reply of experience and your thoughts. I was in the Flower Power Generation on

the West Coast and have been vocally anti-war. I lost friends in Vietnam. I marched, we hung Nixon in effigy at his college alma mater, Whittier College.

I hated the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld Grand ME Adventures, aka illegal wars. Still, no matter how egregious her vote...and there were many others...I refuse to enable a Bush-like second run at it (read, Iran and Syria) for another 8 years in this election. Hillary will not take us there...she is on the same page as Obama and the public opinion, as are many other former war voters. There is also a huge difference between voting as a lawmaker, and the Commander in Chief setting it up.

Any Republican in the mix, and especially one of the End-timer Armageddon Let's Roll yahoos like Bush was and is still...raking in a fortune for a speech, will take us there and can't wait to get started on Iran on Syria once Obama is gone.

Many experienced lawmakers have evolved and/or no longer feel the intense pressure...which would include Hillary

Here's a Republican ... Rohrabacher-R-CA there for both. It was a different time.

"A decade later, Rohrabacher says he’s learned his lesson. “For those who say we should intervene against Assad because he's a dictator,” he said in a statement, “we should have learned our lesson in Iraq, which cost us the lives of 6,000 Americans and tens of thousands wounded, not to mention a trillion dollars added to the debt that hangs around the necks of the American people. Even worse, those we sacrificed for are not grateful.”

and another ...

"Rep. Ralph Hall (R-TX), who was then a Democrat, echoed Culberson’s approach (Hall switched parties in 2004). He said at the time, “In the vote, it's going to appear to be George W. Bush versus Saddam Hussein, and I don't think a lot of politicians have the courage to vote for Saddam."

Hall has now changed his tune. In a statement, he said, “I have received hundreds of calls and letters from constituents expressing strong opposition to any U.S. involvement in Syria, and I plan to vote ‘no’ in accordance with their views.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/05/iraq-hawks-flip-flop.html

This was an insightful link below with pretty much statistics, as it shows the Senate and House votes of both the Vietnam War and the Iraq War.

http://www.voteview.com/gulfwar.htm

That is of course history. This is right now. The fresh-faced leaders of the Tea Party...many avid RW Fundie "Dominionists" (it's the biblical Marshall Plan for the globe) are mostly inexperienced in global matters, i.e. war, and these new guys itching to Get It On are the worries.

I believe we must get past this visceral hatred of her and our glee in so doing in order to "cut off our Democratic nose to spite our 8 years of Republican disaster face." It affects other's views and votes and certainly depresses the same down-ticket races to which these folk seem to be so committed.

The proud "stay-at-home" party...better to vote a la Nader or Perot, perhaps Bernie rather than to fully participate in the non-democratic (as in democracy) personal repeal of their own voting right. Worse yet, to convince others to do the same. The Republicans are hot on that trail, as well.

I can't help it that no one else is up there as a rival. She's not all that powerful. The others are just not willing, or able or don't care enough. Blame them, if you must. Maybe you all would prefer she not run? That will be great for the Democrats...no one...enter the Tea Party for certain. Maybe it's the billion dollars they have to raise. Maybe they all think it's time for a woman. Who knows.

Elizabeth Warren, Dreamers aside, will not run and create the bruising Primary, a la Obama and Hillary 2008, that many dream she will do. She will not. It's not in her nature, and we need her for the long haul setting our financial ship aright again. I watched her yesterday in the hearings...they were not ready for her steady and forceful questions and responses...deer in headlights. Why? Because they have had full reign up to now. Not even token investigation. I'll say it again ... every one of those buggers pray she'll run...and start right away.

All that said, I thank you for your response. You made many good points and sent me to do some research. I cannot imagine what it was like to be there and did not personally know anyone who had to go through it. Hopefully the years provide some healing.

Peace.