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rrneck

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71. Okay, I looked at the video again.

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 04:05 PM

Nov 2013

The officer was not "shooting to kill her". He fired three measured rounds and you'll notice that the back glass of the vehicle was not hit. Although I cannot see the weapon, he appears to be trying to shoot out the left rear tire. It was still a dumb move. There was no need to shoot. The best thing to do is to park a police car in front of the van so she can't drive away.

"You read about it every day" in a country with three hundred million people using the most efficient means of information distribution in the history of the human race.

Only a very small number of the population in general are psychopaths, and that's too many. It will always be too many. The human race is not perfect. Sorry.

If you would be so kind as to tell me how much I need to agree with you about how the cops got it wrong, I'd appreciate it. I'm old. I have to plan.

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State Cop Shoots at Minivan Full of Kids [View all] LAGC Nov 2013 OP

Equal share of dumbassery Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #1

No, not equal. Trained police unload their gun at a car full of people, some who did nothing wrong.. Logical Nov 2013 #3

Wrong - lethal force in LEO hands vs. civilian with a van full of kids hatrack Nov 2013 #15

good god man. Ed Suspicious Nov 2013 #40

Have you ever sped off from a traffic stop. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #123

I have not. I said nothing about race. Ed Suspicious Nov 2013 #132

It was a little more than an uncooperative citizen Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #133

Um...no. n/t FourScore Nov 2013 #80

Um...try it yourself Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #124

I agree. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #104

Of course it isn't, how ridiculous. Why on Earth did you bother POSTING that indefensible drivel? sibelian Nov 2013 #113

I think we can all agree on a few ideas Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #120

So, you've kind of missed out the shooting bit. sibelian Nov 2013 #121

What part of equal share does not over cover the police action? Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #122

Hardly equal... Plenty of dumbassery, but most of it lands on the police side after penultimate Nov 2013 #126

I won't argue with that Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #128

Here is my prediction. No punishment for the idiot cop who shot at the car for NO REASON! n-t Logical Nov 2013 #2

Felony eluding RosettaStoned77 Nov 2013 #22

Sadly, I suspect you are on the right tack. HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #32

Yep! n-t Logical Nov 2013 #39

Cops shooting at children. 99Forever Nov 2013 #4

+1, There should be a minimum of power that is checked, there's none on cops now uponit7771 Nov 2013 #6

There is no downside to any police behavior. Only fully documented videos of bad police..... Logical Nov 2013 #7

When law-abiding citizens start ... 99Forever Nov 2013 #13

This is attempted murder, the cop shot at the van vindictively uponit7771 Nov 2013 #5

My prediction? DiverDave Nov 2013 #8

I can't get the audio here at work, so a few questions Orrex Nov 2013 #9

The cop was accosting the mother, trying to pull her out of the vehicle. LAGC Nov 2013 #10

But he tried to pull her from the vehicle after she'd driven off, right? Orrex Nov 2013 #21

I don't know, I think the fact that she pulled right back over... LAGC Nov 2013 #27

I agree with your assessment, but I doubt that the law will be as understanding Orrex Nov 2013 #31

Well, THIS certainly was an educational trip, now WASN'T it? MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #108

We don't know how far she drove before pulling over, due to editing jmowreader Nov 2013 #75

Got back in his car and followed her until she stopped. LiberalArkie Nov 2013 #38

That's what he did the first time Orrex Nov 2013 #42

How many chances before they can kill them? Is that what you are trying to justify? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #44

Is that what I wrote? Of course not. Orrex Nov 2013 #47

Ok I will. You said, "How many chances should they get?" Without an explanation, one might rhett o rick Nov 2013 #73

Fair enough. I will clarify. Orrex Nov 2013 #76

As many as she wants as long as she is not harming others FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #81

She was already given that chance. Twice. Orrex Nov 2013 #92

Her offense initially was speeding. If she got away, it's no big deal to society. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #91

She was caught after her initial offense. Orrex Nov 2013 #93

It isn't accosting someone to pull someone... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #115

VIDEO WITH SOUND. Mother is screaming is why son exited van: freshwest Nov 2013 #103

The kid assaulted a cop Orrex Nov 2013 #105

You said you couldn't hear sound. I provided sound and an opinion. I am not into cop bashing threads freshwest Nov 2013 #107

DWB lpbk2713 Nov 2013 #11

That's what I'm thinking, too. LAGC Nov 2013 #14

It would have had a totally different outcome .... lpbk2713 Nov 2013 #18

You know it. (n/t) LAGC Nov 2013 #20

With the advent of traffic fines as tax replacements? You're kidding, right? jmowreader Nov 2013 #74

HA! 2naSalit Nov 2013 #79

Not if he drove away like that. treestar Nov 2013 #85

Can't rule it out. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #106

Driving while speeding... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #116

Damn, just about everyone involved acted like complete assholes Taitertots Nov 2013 #12

Imprison the cop who shot! Do not imprison the woman. Give her a fine. valerief Nov 2013 #17

Why are you ignoring the high speed chase with children in the car? Taitertots Nov 2013 #23

She feared for their lives from the police. What would you do? Why are you ignoring that? valerief Nov 2013 #29

What would I do? Duh, paid the ticket and left without incident Taitertots Nov 2013 #33

That's what I'm thinking about YOUR moral compass. Broken. nt valerief Nov 2013 #34

Just for the record, you are the one defending.... Taitertots Nov 2013 #36

No, YOU are defending the police CAUSING a high speed chase. valerief Nov 2013 #96

You keep saying it, but that doesn't make it any less foolish Taitertots Nov 2013 #100

What if she didn't have the money to pay the ticket at that time? Autumn Nov 2013 #43

Say, "I don't have the money"... Don't fight with police and start a high speed chase. Taitertots Nov 2013 #46

I couldn't get the volume on the clip. I got a ticket in New Mexico about 10 Autumn Nov 2013 #52

Tickets have the address of the county clerk on them. You mail your payment in. jmowreader Nov 2013 #77

You forfeit your driver license and you get them back B Calm Nov 2013 #112

Don't speed... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #117

Is that realistic? treestar Nov 2013 #83

Cop are people, not robots. They should not CREATE DANGEROUS SITUATIONS. These cops did valerief Nov 2013 #97

I don't agree with that treestar Nov 2013 #98

The COPS STARTED THE HIGH SPEED CHASE THUS ENDANGERING EVERYONE. nt valerief Nov 2013 #99

no, the lady did. Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #101

WTF is wrong with those moronic cops? Couldn't they SEE her plates? valerief Nov 2013 #16

"plates" ...exactly. They could have looked it up and gone to the drivers address. L0oniX Nov 2013 #26

Few things... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #119

One thing--THEY HAD HER DAMN PLATES. nt valerief Nov 2013 #131

Protect & Serve, MY ASS! RoccoR5955 Nov 2013 #19

Notice how the TV station didn't blur out the van's tag. lpbk2713 Nov 2013 #24

Upon their arrests, the suspects' names became a matter of public record Orrex Nov 2013 #60

Given the races involved heaven05 Nov 2013 #25

This is your hammer Turbineguy Nov 2013 #28

Where was the deadly threat to the cops? L0oniX Nov 2013 #30

Excellent question. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #50

Is anyone defending the cop who opened fire? Orrex Nov 2013 #53

exactly, but fucking cops live for that shit gopiscrap Nov 2013 #35

With the exception of the cop firing the gun (stupid fuck), all fault lies with the driver demwing Nov 2013 #37

The mother caused the problem. rrneck Nov 2013 #41

You are guessing. She most likely drove away because she was scared. Not a reason to kill her. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #45

Of course I'm guessing. rrneck Nov 2013 #55

No excuse to shoot to kill. None. He should be prosecuted. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #61

Okay, I looked at the video again. rrneck Nov 2013 #71

If he was trying to shoot out the tire it will be the first time I ever heard of that. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #72

Yes, I agree. rrneck Nov 2013 #78

I agree; she should not have just driven away treestar Nov 2013 #82

Violence is always ugly and scary. rrneck Nov 2013 #87

My non-cop/non-lawyer opinion is that the officer who smashed the window petronius Nov 2013 #48

The police officer who fired the three shots should fired and charged Lurks Often Nov 2013 #49

^^^This nt gulliver Nov 2013 #67

That cop was one lousy shot. All the kids seem to have gotten away. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #51

One Would Guess That The Police Officer's Mouth DallasNE Nov 2013 #54

The cops over reacted for sure Duckhunter935 Nov 2013 #58

$126 DallasNE Nov 2013 #62

Maybe I'm watching the clip in the wrong order Orrex Nov 2013 #59

At The 1st Stop The 2nd Cop Was Hassling The Son DallasNE Nov 2013 #63

You are wrong, the cop at the side of the car did NOT point a gun Lurks Often Nov 2013 #65

Your Right On The Taser DallasNE Nov 2013 #68

Standard procedure in New Mexico, here is NM Motor Vehicle law Lurks Often Nov 2013 #84

What Is Wrong With New Mexico? DallasNE Nov 2013 #88

Don't know, but it means the state trooper was following procedure Lurks Often Nov 2013 #94

I suspect that most of the editing was done by the network Orrex Nov 2013 #66

That Is How It Should Have Gone Down DallasNE Nov 2013 #70

She wouldn't have if she'd just waited for him to complete the process. treestar Nov 2013 #86

What is your motive for misstating the the facts repeatedly via, "the passengers assaulted him"? Dragonfli Nov 2013 #110

Well, what's your motive for misstating the facts? Orrex Nov 2013 #118

Police need to start arresting each other. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #56

police are terrorists!! that poor family! now 2 people are in jail and what about other kids? Sunlei Nov 2013 #57

Yay, Cops! Iggo Nov 2013 #64

the cops were in the right Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #69

BOTTOM LINE: You do NOT shoot at a car full of kids. Th1onein Nov 2013 #89

He shot WHILE SHE DROVE AWAY?!?! NickB79 Nov 2013 #90

I don't see any justification for shooting, but that mother is crazy aikoaiko Nov 2013 #95

She's pretty stupid and brought it all on by her actions. B Calm Nov 2013 #111

"Measured Response" Is Also The Law DallasNE Nov 2013 #102

New Mexico.... ReRe Nov 2013 #109

Everything was fine... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #114

There is plenty of blame to go around here. Inkfreak Nov 2013 #125

Hard to defend the woman for acting the way she did penultimate Nov 2013 #127

Agreed. I dunno what he was thinking (nt) Inkfreak Nov 2013 #129

He probably wasn't thinking... penultimate Nov 2013 #130