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Orrex

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49. What I meant was...

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 05:17 PM

Nov 2013

police stonewalling, already claimed to be widespread and entrenched, would only become more tenacious if exposed to independent civilian oversight.

And how might such civilian oversight be implemented? If police resist basic internal review, don't you think that they'd fight tooth and nail against a bureaucratic civilian agency looking over their shoulders? And do you think that police unions would accept it?

These aren't petty or trivial objections. They're major obstacles that would have to be overcome

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Americans Killed by Cops Now Outnumber Americans Killed in Iraq War [View all] n2doc Nov 2013 OP

20% - 30% of Police shooting victims have no weapon at all FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #1

Citation, please Orrex Nov 2013 #7

Give it a rest Orrex - I've posted those citations to you numerous times FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #13

Give it a rest? Because you don't like to document your claims? Orrex Nov 2013 #18

Your inability to accept "Reality" is not anyone else's problem FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #19

"Scant documentation" means minimal documentation. Orrex Nov 2013 #23

It never was "Scant Documentation" FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #28

Better. But look closely: Orrex Nov 2013 #32

30% would be "Regional" as in some areas are worse then others FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #33

Well, we discussed that 65/189 figure in a different thread, and the same is true Orrex Nov 2013 #34

Should it be legal to shoot citizens on a "Perceived Threat" FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #37

Perhaps this is where we're going to differ Orrex Nov 2013 #38

So the number of Innocent Civilians Killed is Acceptable ??? FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #39

Now you're slipping back into incorrect citation Orrex Nov 2013 #41

Civilian Review would be Corrupt ?? FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #43

What I meant was... Orrex Nov 2013 #49

Police Officers Unions can object all they want to a State Law FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #54

A consent decree? Orrex Nov 2013 #55

I'm sorry but... Bluest4t3 Nov 2013 #58

Police misconduct is at an all time high heaven05 Nov 2013 #65

Citation, please. Orrex Nov 2013 #66

please, you're not awake heaven05 Nov 2013 #67

Nope, try again Orrex Nov 2013 #69

fact supports my claim heaven05 Nov 2013 #70

That "nearly 1 in 5" figure is drawn from cases where a suit was filed in Federal court sl8 Nov 2013 #51

ABSOLUTELY HIGHER - Civil letigation other then a Federal Civil Rights Suits FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #53

I'm going to assume that you have a link for this? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #10

Nothing that can constrewed as "Reasonable" FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #17

Thanks for the link. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #26

We agree "Civilian Review Board" nt FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #29

Holy shit. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #68

Which in turn means that 70-80% of the people killed DID have a weapon. WatermelonRat Nov 2013 #11

It's also how they define "weapon" which could be most anything. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #20

Are you trying to say that a ballpoint pen is NOT a weapon? Th1onein Nov 2013 #45

Or a WATER HOSE. Yes, it's a dangerous weapon. Th1onein Nov 2013 #48

Then there's this... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #56

I hadn't seen this before. Thanks. Th1onein Nov 2013 #59

"Domestic violence is two-four times more common among police families" Shhhhh! L0oniX Nov 2013 #2

no-knock raids have risen by 4000%? G_j Nov 2013 #3

+10000000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #62

Not a surprise, we've turned into a fucking police state gopiscrap Nov 2013 #4

Recommend jsr Nov 2013 #5

Amazing numbers Oilwellian Nov 2013 #6

K&R. That's a big reason I hated the Cops type shows glorifying their violence. /nt Overseas Nov 2013 #8

Yes, and 99% of america trusts them 100% and think they are always right and telling.... Logical Nov 2013 #15

It's not even 60% n2doc Nov 2013 #42

Well, that is good news. Thanks! Logical Nov 2013 #44

Great comment thread at the link pscot Nov 2013 #9

Recently my town had a shooting MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #12

People are raised from day one to believe the police are your friends and always right. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #16

No knock raids should be illegal except in rare circumstances. If someone kicks in my front... Logical Nov 2013 #14

This is what you get when the line of recruits are fans of the show "Cops". Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #21

K&R Where is the outrage? nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2013 #22

And they wonder why so many law-abiding citizens... 99Forever Nov 2013 #24

Yet so many here feel they should be the only ones armed in the country. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #61

Because citizens with guns fare so well against cops in armed standoffs. Orrex Nov 2013 #63

police state mtasselin Nov 2013 #25

Couldn't have picked a better analogy. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #27

I'll give this a kick and a rec Savannahmann Nov 2013 #30

what a nice little anti-cop site that is hfojvt Nov 2013 #31

Best be careful around any source of sparks. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #46

straw how? hfojvt Nov 2013 #50

ONE of these officers were fired! Wow. Th1onein Nov 2013 #47

Yay, Cops! Iggo Nov 2013 #35

This is getting ridiculous. I wish these FTPers... gulliver Nov 2013 #36

I wish Police would protect "Brown Skinned Children" as much as they do their own children FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #40

To Serve The Projectile... er, I Mean... To Serve and Protect... WillyT Nov 2013 #52

There's only one country that can destroy us Mostly Orbiting Nov 2013 #57

More than from those who hate us for our freedom, eh? Blue Owl Nov 2013 #60

I took some college classes in criminal justice on my way to a degree toby jo Nov 2013 #64