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DissidentVoice

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220. There's no need to fear such a possibility

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 08:05 PM

Nov 2013

Why?

Because it has already HAPPENED.

The United States is now a classic model of corporatist plutocracy.

It began with the Reagan deregulation mania and was sealed by the SCOTUS "Citizens United."

In between there were a lot of other things that happened...some actively aided and abetted by corporatist/DLC/"me-too" Democrats, while others just stood silent and let them happen.

Bill Clinton was an unapologetic cheerleader for NAFTA. In retrospect, I believe Ross Perot was right and had I known then what I know now, I probably would have voted for him. I almost did in 1996 because Clinton rolling over and playing dead on health care and then his leap to the Republican platform soured me so much on him.

I will not support HRC in the primaries. Like others here I am sick of the names "Bush" and "Clinton."

If she gets the nomination...I just don't know.

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The Rising Tide of Populism in the Dem Party Spells Trouble for Hillary [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

It's encouraging to see the national mood shifting to the left. Laelth Nov 2013 #1

I think Clinton's plan is pretty solid and pretty obvious cali Nov 2013 #2

If she does win the nomination BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #110

I'll vote for her- puking all the way cali Nov 2013 #117

... BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #120

I'm a woman, but I certainly won't support her in the primaries cali Nov 2013 #123

Actually, I've been here BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #129

Yes, I'm deeply angry over the corporate takeover of the party. And I'm not the only one cali Nov 2013 #131

Sure her ties trouble me. BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #221

Frankly I don't care whether the candidate is a man or a woman. So long as they have a RECORD, sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #169

+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #223

YES! As you say! RKP5637 Nov 2013 #227

"you seem to be a shit stirrer" Veilex Nov 2013 #136

No. treestar Nov 2013 #144

That's Democracy for you newthinking Nov 2013 #195

This seems like an odd post to me. SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2013 #209

Bill DeBlasio LOVES HRC--he ran her Senate campaign. MADem Nov 2013 #252

Oh, please. People on the left have been disturbed by Clinton's corporatism cali Nov 2013 #268

Well, gee, when you go to the "Ready for Hillary" website, the first face you see is DeBlasio's. MADem Nov 2013 #271

Most DUers certainly find my argument convincing cali Nov 2013 #274

Ooooooooh--a gratuitous slam! A personal insult! Didn't take you long, did it? nt MADem Nov 2013 #275

I like sand. juajen Nov 2013 #277

I've posted numerous links to her enmeshment with corporate interests cali Nov 2013 #280

I think what BOG types have firmly planted is � 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #302

How I wish � 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #301

+1 MADem Nov 2013 #303

I think ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #304

Well, if people have ill will, they'll show it soon enough. MADem Nov 2013 #306

Party before people heh? dotymed Nov 2013 #263

I want a candidate who will win. BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #281

Hello.I'm Oldenufff,and I am a shit stirrer... Oldenuff Nov 2013 #279

Hey Oldenuff BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #285

If Elizabeth Warren is her VP, that would soften the blow - she'd be next in line AAO Nov 2013 #241

In 2016 Warren will be 67; Hillary C.will be 69; after 2 terms, W=75; HC = 77. Divernan Nov 2013 #249

I doubt that will happen. MADem Nov 2013 #253

No more voting for candidates whose "blows" need to be softened. woo me with science Nov 2013 #308

I hope Warren runs against HRC as a Democrat - I'll vote for her. AAO Nov 2013 #309

dear cali q.kobi Nov 2013 #264

dear q.kobi: I have no idea what you are attempting to say. cali Nov 2013 #272

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #292

You seem to forget where you are tavalon Nov 2013 #161

blue to the bone, don't ask that question. you assume that people won't vote for the nom. roguevalley Nov 2013 #211

From talking to dems I know, they will not vote for her if she receives the nomination. They will sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #233

I'm with you. Hillary spells trouble for Hillary. We don't need Rethug lite. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #269

I thikn now is the time for us to say "No we will not support her as the nominee for she is too cui bono Nov 2013 #247

I appreciate you posting blue14u Nov 2013 #179

Is this still up to us? mdbl Nov 2013 #260

mdbl, I understand what blue14u Nov 2013 #293

Ok, I'll try harder... mdbl Nov 2013 #307

I too hope that is the case.. We vote, we try, to bring change and blue14u Nov 2013 #310

When the first Iraq war made Bush I undefeatable, all the tblue37 Nov 2013 #180

Now, Julian Castro might have a chance BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #216

Did you hear Howard Dean's remarks yesterday? 2banon Nov 2013 #194

He ought to know...he's a smart man! Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #240

He, and a million other people who have already donated to MADem Nov 2013 #254

Yeah, that is unfortunate 2banon Nov 2013 #284

I disagree entirely with every single thing you've said. MADem Nov 2013 #290

Of course you disagree with me. 2banon Nov 2013 #291

Listen to you--so very hard at work with your nasty little label maker! MADem Nov 2013 #305

Good billhicks76 Nov 2013 #248

Dear Noble one q.kobi Nov 2013 #265

Welcome to DU. Laelth Nov 2013 #267

Dear q.kobi ~ Hello In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #273

Premise being Hillary can NOT change policies for the best... Hillary isn't Pol Pot uponit7771 Nov 2013 #3

Premise being that her history is one that reveals her close ties to corporate interests cali Nov 2013 #4

Keyword: History, I'm going to wait and see what her plans are... I don't hate Hillary, I think she' uponit7771 Nov 2013 #7

Fair enough. What would she have to do to earn your trust? cali Nov 2013 #10

try uponit7771 Nov 2013 #38

Well for some just say the right words. zeemike Nov 2013 #47

No doubt. Wilms Nov 2013 #50

Forensic psychologiy's oldest and firmest rule: Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #20

Again, people can change... after seeing Hillary in SOS role I'm willing to give her a chance uponit7771 Nov 2013 #41

Just curious but zeemike Nov 2013 #52

try uponit7771 Nov 2013 #64

"Try", frankly isn't good enough. Veilex Nov 2013 #124

She was a primary force in crafting and backing the TPP cali Nov 2013 #132

If true, then I'm seriously concerned about that. Veilex Nov 2013 #139

For who? uponit7771 Nov 2013 #148

for anyone attempting to understand where you're coming from. cali Nov 2013 #149

Good enough for me and explains a lot, all she has to do is try and make every attempt to stay uponit7771 Nov 2013 #151

Glib responses are an admission that you don't have an answer. /nt Marr Nov 2013 #162

Labeling what's good enough for me is an indicative of purism, I'm not a purist. I'm not going uponit7771 Nov 2013 #191

"Go, adequate!" Marr Nov 2013 #229

Yes, I wish life was full of perfect choice, it's not. On top of all this it sounds like the people uponit7771 Nov 2013 #238

What every SOS does... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #176

What changes have you seen in Hillary? Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #53

Her role as SoS was more conservative than liberal cali Nov 2013 #57

Yes. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #63

Not tippers for me, FDR would have been hated if you think TPP is bad. What she did as SOS uponit7771 Nov 2013 #65

that's just topsy turvy. the exact opposite of the preponderance of the evidence cali Nov 2013 #71

This is false, FDR had almost 4 terms as president and you think he didn't do ONE THING that uponit7771 Nov 2013 #150

Comment about FDR is a strawman... Veilex Nov 2013 #214

Exactly. treestar Nov 2013 #142

The purist here would throw her out the second she doesn't send every CEO to gitmo save COSCOs uponit7771 Nov 2013 #152

Yes, and the non-worry about the congress of 2017 treestar Nov 2013 #156

Sigh. More codswallop. I'm not even an Elizabeth Warren for President supporter cali Nov 2013 #159

what codswallop. One only hopes that you don't actually believe such nonsense. cali Nov 2013 #158

My problem with these arguments Marr Nov 2013 #165

it is like that game at the fair where you hit a gopher and another pops up cali Nov 2013 #168

Hillarys "extent" you think goes TOO far & others dont..an authoritarian or purist subjects others uponit7771 Nov 2013 #192

I'm hardly a purist. I don't expect that any candidate won't have some corporate cali Nov 2013 #193

I'm a real dem and I accept the ties she has. I'm not going to let others define "real dem" for me.. uponit7771 Nov 2013 #236

Supporters of Hillary could help her immensely by not referring to those who do not, as 'purists', sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #174

If she's trying to earn our trust Cirque du So-What Nov 2013 #42

Given her sucking up to corporate $... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #127

I see a woman who is and can be flexible. Who's not stupid. Who may well see the trends that are calimary Nov 2013 #137

Well stated. Wish it was an OP. That last sentence. Thanks from I'm guessing quite a few of us. libdem4life Nov 2013 #160

BUT brilliance in the servicee of values and policies I despise is even worse tblue37 Nov 2013 #181

Understood. Hey, I'm one of the legions for whom the Iraq War vote was a nonstarter. calimary Nov 2013 #244

Would you have written this about a male candidate? karynnj Nov 2013 #210

If it was dan quayle, uh, forgive me but - "you betcha"! calimary Nov 2013 #243

I believe the premise is that Hillary wouldn't WANT to change the policies for the best. djean111 Nov 2013 #5

We'll see, I don't see tons of corporatism about her now and even Warren couldn't be a purist in ... uponit7771 Nov 2013 #8

I do cali Nov 2013 #11

I have a higher bar for a corporatist than those issue or even a couple. IMHO a person would have to uponit7771 Nov 2013 #44

Clinton is every bit as much the corporatist as bush was- maybe more so cali Nov 2013 #48

Again, out of Clinton I don't see the same "fuck government, it sucks" sentiment word or deed uponit7771 Nov 2013 #51

But that's not corporatism Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #84

good post. thank you. cali Nov 2013 #101

+1000. Agreed. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #111

I would like to submit this video as Exhibit 1: bvar22 Nov 2013 #143

bvar22, thank you again!! blue14u Nov 2013 #186

+1 chknltl Nov 2013 #145

There's no need to fear such a possibility DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #220

FDR has actions that fit in that exact definition, he's a corporatist too? The purist would say yes uponit7771 Nov 2013 #154

Back to the FDR strawman... Veilex Nov 2013 #217

False on it's face and a valid comparison seeing FDR would've surpassed Hillary in corporate uponit7771 Nov 2013 #237

You're the only one making the comparison... the topic has nothing.. Veilex Nov 2013 #282

Irrelevant who is making the comparison, the fact is HRC shouldn't be held to a higher bar than.. uponit7771 Nov 2013 #283

Thats a bit naive... Veilex Nov 2013 #286

"Times change" - same can be said about HRC no? tia uponit7771 Nov 2013 #287

Times do change... long practiced habits and behaviors rarely do. Veilex Nov 2013 #288

"rarely do." ... good we agree, RARELY doesn't mean impossible and the reason she deserves uponit7771 Nov 2013 #289

"good we agree" Hardly... Veilex Nov 2013 #296

I think my argument is pretty logical, don't judge Hillary over her tenure by a higher standard than uponit7771 Nov 2013 #297

If that is what your notion of logic is, then we'll have to agree to disagree. Veilex Nov 2013 #298

Ad homs response are an indicator of a poor position uponit7771 Nov 2013 #299

Your absolutely right... Veilex Nov 2013 #300

Yep... I don't see blue14u Nov 2013 #185

Awesome response! EOM Veilex Nov 2013 #215

Hillary helped construct the TPP, and there are links elsewhere on DU for information djean111 Nov 2013 #12

Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at State Department (leading part in drafting TPP) antigop Nov 2013 #115

Isn't Just Her liberalmike27 Nov 2013 #40

The actual premise is that Hillary Clinton is unable to understand polling and grantcart Nov 2013 #235

Think of Hillary's sacrifice, voting for the Iraq war in order to maintain her electability Fumesucker Nov 2013 #6

I'd like to see people here who support her address the points in the cali Nov 2013 #9

The Iraq war will be an issue if Hillary keeps claiming this Whisp Nov 2013 #96

Conscience? Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #22

Imagine the horror of having to vote for war in 2003 in order to be able to save us in 2016? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #46

I initially believed her vote for Iraq War was to maintain electability magical thyme Nov 2013 #114

All that sublimated rage at Bill has to be directed somewhere. Divernan Nov 2013 #250

We need Clinton like we need Bush. nt valerief Nov 2013 #13

Hillary and The Carlyle Group. Hillary and Goldman Sachs. Hillary the Corporate Crony cali Nov 2013 #14

+1 jsr Nov 2013 #24

Hill and MallWart Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #25

yep. really the list of her corporate ties is impressively long cali Nov 2013 #30

Not to mention HRC's blue14u Nov 2013 #187

It's nice to see that the rank and file are coming around. mattclearing Nov 2013 #15

I tend to agree. DU was to the left of mainstream dems for a long time cali Nov 2013 #27

I think a lot of conservatism was masked by the fact we had a common enemy in Bush. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #34

That makes sense. Never underestimate the pull of pure partisanshit as well cali Nov 2013 #35

I am almost sure of it. zeemike Nov 2013 #70

Lots of true leftists have moved on from this place warrant46 Nov 2013 #126

Can I suggest that Bill de Blasio winning in NYC does not scale up to a national election? brooklynite Nov 2013 #16

perhaps. perhaps not. cali Nov 2013 #18

But new-blood Dems are mounting credible campaigns everywhere. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #36

Yes Yes Yes... we are!!! blue14u Nov 2013 #188

Yesterday I read a socialist won a city council position in some city in Washington, I believe. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #39

I hate to expose myself to potential ridicule by making a whole OP about it, but Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #59

I'll rec not ridicule any op you write about this. please do cali Nov 2013 #75

I'll be on the lookout for that OP as well BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #200

Those in Seattle who want to show they support this change, there's a rally at 2:30 PM today... cascadiance Nov 2013 #175

Hillary is not the only one out of step with majority Dem sentiment... L0oniX Nov 2013 #17

There are a lot of conservadems posting here but hopefully they aren't the majority cali Nov 2013 #19

Lets face it: consrvative Dems cross party lines easier than do liberal GOP. Nixon and Reagan ..... marble falls Nov 2013 #60

Hillary is the very face of the corporate Dems. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #21

I am afraid a populist candidate might split the ticket ... It's too early to see how things could YOHABLO Nov 2013 #222

This is the heart of the matter fadedrose Nov 2013 #23

2 main factors in the ratings-- Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #31

When you look at it from raw ambition. 2004 would have been the best time for HC to pounce.... WCGreen Nov 2013 #26

I completely agree. I think Hillary missed her window of opportunity back then. cali Nov 2013 #28

I hope so. n/t PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #29

from your lips to the goddess's ears (n/t) bread_and_roses Nov 2013 #32

I must say I'm a bit concerned- ruffburr Nov 2013 #32

Well, when you operate from a position of fear WowSeriously Nov 2013 #45

Wow Seriously- ruffburr Nov 2013 #61

There are lots of majority attractive messages. US jobs, living wages, affordable housing are a few. L0oniX Nov 2013 #69

Absolutely- ruffburr Nov 2013 #73

Obama did Oilwellian Nov 2013 #86

I think it time we stop pre settling for lesser candidates. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #138

Frankly, I think ProSense Nov 2013 #37

No surprise there stupidicus Nov 2013 #43

many Americans don't know that Hillary is not a left-wing populist. Even many Democrats - even those Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #49

I think the mask is slipping and we can help cali Nov 2013 #56

Might be a good idea to send Sanders a few bucks fadedrose Nov 2013 #203

Let's not forget this nugget from her past: Her connection with The Fellowship cali Nov 2013 #54

Hillary No - DLC No - Progressives Yes - Warren 2016 cantbeserious Nov 2013 #55

k&r Strong post! I hope you're right and I think you are. marble falls Nov 2013 #58

thank you! and love your slogan. cali Nov 2013 #76

I love how it becomes personal hfojvt Nov 2013 #62

how on earth is that "personal" ? I don't even get the point of your post cali Nov 2013 #77

How is "trouble for Hillary" NOT personal? hfojvt Nov 2013 #90

Sorry, I think your post is totally nonsensical cali Nov 2013 #99

still personal, eh? hfojvt Nov 2013 #134

94 %?? But that's Gallup, yes? MADem Nov 2013 #255

2014 will be a strong deciding factor on which brand of Dem the people want. gtar100 Nov 2013 #66

It may well be an indicator of where dems are heading cali Nov 2013 #78

Biggest Trouble For Hillary Is Her Campaign hollowdweller Nov 2013 #67

I think Hillary has a tone deaf quality to her cali Nov 2013 #79

Both Hillary and her campaign staff believed in her 'inevitability' back then, too. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #184

In order to defeat Hillary, Dems will vote for Ted Cruz and Chris Christie. ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #68

riiight. because that's the only alternative. If we don't nominate conservaHillary cali Nov 2013 #72

are you assuming Hillary will win the primaries? magical thyme Nov 2013 #122

I don't get why conservative dems don't just admit that that's what they are cali Nov 2013 #74

Can you explain why Howard Dean supports her? ProSense Nov 2013 #80

Well, Dean wasn't particularly progressive when he was Governor of Vermont cali Nov 2013 #82

Because Warren isn't running. She has said so over and over. MADem Nov 2013 #256

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #81

lol. yeah, people to the LEFT of Hillary are "repukes". cali Nov 2013 #85

Is this a joke? polichick Nov 2013 #89

I will support the left-most candidate, whomever that ends up being. nt silvershadow Nov 2013 #83

Hillary Clinton would make a great adieu Nov 2013 #87

She would make an even better former politician. bvar22 Nov 2013 #146

Yes she would. We don't need dynasties for one thing, particularly when they are right leaning and sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #234

Cali: Please post a link proving this sentence from your post: northoftheborder Nov 2013 #88

Here is a short excerpt of Hill's remarks in Vietnam from the State Dept website-- Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #93

And this� Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #100

people who don't want to believe that Hillary is what she is- cali Nov 2013 #118

She was the Senator from India LongTomH Nov 2013 #153

here: cali Nov 2013 #95

The neoliberals and Wall Street mob are calling the shots in the Democratic Party. duffyduff Nov 2013 #91

Far more than "compromised" I think... polichick Nov 2013 #92

I think that the dem base can wrest that away. I agree with Jackpine cali Nov 2013 #112

Ironically Ms. Clinton will have the full force of Citizens United behind her. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #94

I don't believe that's inevitable- despite CU cali Nov 2013 #97

To think she'd be less corporatist after becoming president ... I can't...this map boggles. ancianita Nov 2013 #98

Shocker: Hill is pro-fracking cali Nov 2013 #102

facepalm SHRED Nov 2013 #105

she's the ultimate corporate shill. I'll give her this: She's damn good at it. cali Nov 2013 #106

not good enough to fool me SHRED Nov 2013 #107

no. thankfully. more and more dems are seeing the corporate influence on the cali Nov 2013 #109

Sometimes I wonder if this DU is interested in... SHRED Nov 2013 #113

there's an awful lot of mindless partisanship here cali Nov 2013 #116

true SHRED Nov 2013 #119

People seem to confuse political parties with sports teams. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #157

heh, a Milloy endorsement (but I thought gender equality was "woo" to those shills...) MisterP Nov 2013 #295

Hillary lost all ready haydukelives Nov 2013 #103

We are sick of the old DLC bullshit SHRED Nov 2013 #104

laws written by the Heritage Foundation and Big Insurance... MisterP Nov 2013 #294

I don't want her to be President 90-percent Nov 2013 #108

What is her position GP6971 Nov 2013 #121

She's waffled all over the place. you can't pin her down cali Nov 2013 #125

Well........ GP6971 Nov 2013 #128

Hillary supporter are attacking liberals 4dsc Nov 2013 #130

there will be more and more of them cali Nov 2013 #133

Yes, it will get extremely snarky newthinking Nov 2013 #199

Hillary Schmillery wreq Nov 2013 #135

Welcome to DU. What if she is the Dem candidate, who would you vote/campaign for? uppityperson Nov 2013 #140

lol. cali Nov 2013 #141

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #197

Errrrrr....Howard Dean has endorsed Hillary Clinton. MADem Nov 2013 #257

I, For One Would LOVE To See This Happen! ChiciB1 Nov 2013 #147

The rising disgust with Politics-as-usual spells trouble for Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #155

If Dennis Kucinich gives up his FOX gig he can run again/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #163

another silly non-response to the OP. Now tell me why Hillary is a good candidate cali Nov 2013 #164

Don't forget her role in the NATO invasion of Libya, a country that is now in a tragic state of sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #166

You sure aren't alone cali Nov 2013 #167

Right-it was in much better shape under Gadaffi's leadership brooklynite Nov 2013 #204

that it was in bad shape under Gadaffi is NOT a logical argument cali Nov 2013 #219

Yes, it was. In fact most Libyans had free access to HC, so they were way ahead of us in that dept. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #232

Been wondering... TRoN33 Nov 2013 #170

I doubt Warren will run. She really doesn't have much to do with my cali Nov 2013 #171

Clearly someone didn't get the memo about how Hillary is the inevitable nominee and hughee99 Nov 2013 #172

I think more and more people will be getting that memo. cali Nov 2013 #173

Yes, they will try to hammer the boot down newthinking Nov 2013 #202

yes, it has changed. And not for the better. cali Nov 2013 #205

Clinton is not my first choice for the nomination but by any objective standard she must be totodeinhere Nov 2013 #177

That's undoubtedly true. cali Nov 2013 #178

2016 is looking more and more like 1896 happyslug Nov 2013 #182

"The revolution of 1896 within the Democratic Party meant short term defeat... polichick Nov 2013 #207

Just a historical clarification wyldwolf Nov 2013 #230

With the loss of Congress the Democratic party turned to the right happyslug Nov 2013 #231

Shhhhhhhh....! MADem Nov 2013 #259

True, and it's largely because of how far to the Right the Tea Party has gone. Frankly, overall, libdem4life Nov 2013 #183

I confidently predict that the Democrats will Progressive dog Nov 2013 #189

Elizabeth Warren isn't the issue here. Of course Hillary is in the running cali Nov 2013 #190

Did you know that Elizabeth Warren said Progressive dog Nov 2013 #196

Yes. I did know that. So? cali Nov 2013 #198

I'd put her as mainstream, Progressive dog Nov 2013 #212

Well, unlike "mystery meat" BHO, HRC is a known entity, a rightie. Send her to the GOP. They need blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #201

de Blasio is a Clinton guy JI7 Nov 2013 #206

de Blasio is allied with the Clintons, no doubt and has a history with them cali Nov 2013 #213

Here are some Warren quotes. Beacool Nov 2013 #208

lol. fail cali Nov 2013 #218

Hey, support anyone you want, Beacool Nov 2013 #224

I haven't. ever. cali Nov 2013 #278

Ms. In Between libdude Nov 2013 #225

But it's so very important for the populists to have a candidate. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #226

I'd like to point out that this is asserted every presidential election cycle wyldwolf Nov 2013 #228

I could Easily Support Hillary Clinton DallasNE Nov 2013 #239

please not Martin O'Malley! Vattel Nov 2013 #261

The Clinton and the Republicans fighting is soooo "Last Century". Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #242

Wooooohoooooo! We can do much better:) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #245

I'm going to wait for her to declare her candidacy DFW Nov 2013 #246

***Didn't Bill DeBlasio RUN Clinton's NY campaign?*** MADem Nov 2013 #251

yes, of course he did. I'm fully familiar with his ties to the Clintons cali Nov 2013 #266

Well, Bloomberg was a Republican-turned-Independent Mayor. MADem Nov 2013 #270

If we can't do better .. sendero Nov 2013 #258

2016 Obama - Biden Reformed Bully Nov 2013 #262

Welcome to DU. The creative speculation forum is that way cali Nov 2013 #276