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36. Common core is more than just a set of standards

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 10:21 AM

Nov 2013

CC is all about testing.

This suburban mom is upset because my child had eleven days of testing last year, eighth grade. My boy is extremely smart with an excellent memory (currently in HS he's in all honor classes and still get straight 'A's). After one of these tests last year he said two things that said it all to me. First, they tested him on material that was never taught. He remembers EVERYTHING, so I know he is right about that. Testing on material never taught is ridiculous and upsetting. Second thing he said was that he was so sick of being tested that he stopped caring. I honestly shudder for the kids who aren't the high achievers or those who have learning difficulties. If my son is giving up, I'm sure others are too, and this isn't fair to them.

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Arne Duncan: �White suburban moms� upset that Common Core shows their kids aren�t �brilliant� [View all] boston bean Nov 2013 OP

Letting Arne out of his cage is always dicey. Total mouth breather. MichiganVote Nov 2013 #1

Arne Duncan upset because not everyone believes his BS. hobbit709 Nov 2013 #2

piss on Arne Duncan KG Nov 2013 #3

What's wrong with common core? Android3.14 Nov 2013 #4

The common core standards LWolf Nov 2013 #12

+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #22

By misuse and abuse Android3.14 Nov 2013 #54

That's certainly one. LWolf Nov 2013 #99

You cannot teach children anything with a system that is based on constant testing. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #51

Yes and no. Android3.14 Nov 2013 #56

Yes, I did mean Standardized testing. And I also despise the pressure to pass students before they sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #62

"It's only going to get worse" Android3.14 Nov 2013 #84

More myths about American schools duffyduff Nov 2013 #68

Perhaps you could back that up with a little data? Android3.14 Nov 2013 #82

Is there a RW meme you don't post on DU? MattBaggins Nov 2013 #83

Weird Android3.14 Nov 2013 #85

And what Arne is proposing is what has been tried in those other countries, right? joeybee12 Nov 2013 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author Android3.14 Nov 2013 #125

Please, some citations would be helpful Android3.14 Nov 2013 #126

Dear Duncpig, education of our children is not a competition like your anti gay Olympics in Sochi Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #5

How is the Obama's choice to educate their children at a religious instiution 'tacky?' msanthrope Nov 2013 #13

Sidwell is not known for it's religious education - TBF Nov 2013 #17

I think your post reflects an ignorance of how Quaker schools operate. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #34

Sure - while yours indicates you will say anything to excuse TBF Nov 2013 #38

What action? That the President has the right to send his kids to a religious school? msanthrope Nov 2013 #39

FFS ... No one sends anyone to Sidwell Friends because it is "religious" - TBF Nov 2013 #44

As the parent of a child in a Friend's School, I often encounter the 'Quakerism isn't a 'real' msanthrope Nov 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author TBF Nov 2013 #47

Royal Rivera pears are lovely. Perhaps you meant to link something else? nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #52

thanks TBF Nov 2013 #55

If we had one locally I'd work three jobs to send my child. nt xmas74 Nov 2013 #112

Other presidential kids have gone to Sidwell KamaAina Nov 2013 #63

Did they end up moving her? TBF Nov 2013 #64

Great heavens, you're right KamaAina Nov 2013 #65

Chelsea Clinton went there and Biden's grandkids- but Bush? I do not thhink so lunasun Nov 2013 #127

You're right, it was Chelsea KamaAina Nov 2013 #129

I went to schools like Sidwell, which is why I can read. I did not say the school is tacky I said Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #21

Umm . . hueymahl Nov 2013 #27

apparently mr sidwell can read but has poor comprehension leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #32

Really? You went to a Friend's school? And you dare criticize others who send their kids? nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #35

So you don't want Sidwell Standards for all children, just for the top 1%? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #60

You want a religious education for all American children, complete with missonary work? msanthrope Nov 2013 #61

You are opposed to the Sidwell standards of education for everyone except the children of the 1% sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #73

You want the government to promote Quaker educational standards? msanthrope Nov 2013 #74

You don't want the standards available to the 1% to be available to everyone else? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #78

Not religious ones. That's a parent's choice, not to be forced by government. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #80

It's clear that you oppose the same educational standards available for the wealthy for the masses. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #96

And there we have it! Speculations as to.the President's true religion! msanthrope Nov 2013 #98

Why are you struggling so hard to keep Sidwell Educational Standards from the general public? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #106

Thank you Sabrina, for asking what the President's real religion is. I think it revealing. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #107

Can't answer the simple question? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #122

I don't answer your questions, Sabrina. You know that. But thanks for asking what the President's msanthrope Nov 2013 #123

Sure you do, each time you try so hard to distract from the questions, you answer them sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #124

I'm sorry that you needed a private school to learn how to read.. whathehell Nov 2013 #76

Did the nuns in Catholic school really walk around brandishing rulers? Brigid Nov 2013 #91

Nah.. whathehell Nov 2013 #93

their kids learn to think and create, our kids learn to obey and fill in bubbles on tests yurbud Nov 2013 #102

The snarling hate in that post is bewildering to see Number23 Nov 2013 #79

How dare the Obamas not use their children as political pawns! Some posters obviously msanthrope Nov 2013 #81

because they are pushing policies on public schools to do things their kids school wouldn't yurbud Nov 2013 #101

The Obama's don't set policy at Sidwell, and aren't obligated to use their msanthrope Nov 2013 #105

what is it that makes that public school different from Sidwell Friends and less safe? yurbud Nov 2013 #108

Why would you expect taxpayers who are sending their children to the public school to msanthrope Nov 2013 #111

I suspect it's also because those schools aren't as safe because of overcrowding and under-staffing, yurbud Nov 2013 #115

That's a sweeping generalization of the DC schools. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #118

I meant it to be a sweeping generalization of all public schools and yurbud Nov 2013 #121

but its ok to use other peoples kids as political pawns? yurbud Nov 2013 #109

Kindly name a child you think the President is using as pawn. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #113

by your definition, any kid that attends public schools being "reformed" by Arne Duncan yurbud Nov 2013 #114

I think you misunderstood my definition. But kindly name a child you think is a pawn. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #116

Do you think the Obamas would WANTredundant standardized testing and a much narrower curriculum yurbud Nov 2013 #117

I have no idea what private, family decisions went into their choice. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #119

that's weasling out of it yurbud Nov 2013 #120

a they cling to their guns & their religion Danmel Nov 2013 #6

I liked education writer Anthony Cody's response to this: Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #7

Is Ms Duncan's tutoring firm still in business? Smarmie Doofus Nov 2013 #11

Excellent! Duncan must urely be Obama's single worst appointment, QC Nov 2013 #14

No argument from me. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #15

Does he have any actual qualifications for working in education? QC Nov 2013 #18

Nope. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #23

you would think that would be a requirement for all administrators yurbud Nov 2013 #50

Under present "Reform" those are perfect qualifications kmlisle Nov 2013 #29

Sadly, you are right. QC Nov 2013 #33

The worst cabinet appointment EVER by ANY president. Duncan is a moron, and I am duffyduff Nov 2013 #71

Lol, excellent response from Cody. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #130

Sounds like he knows Halloween's over. The idea HAD been.... Smarmie Doofus Nov 2013 #8

Total BS. Our kids are doing fine on his precious tests TBF Nov 2013 #9

Common Core = ability to provide "education" on line TransitJohn Nov 2013 #10

+1 roody Nov 2013 #31

I oppose the testing side of Common Core. I think we need to be sure all kids are given a fair Mass Nov 2013 #16

Wow.. sendero Nov 2013 #19

It isn't "marginal"--that is a neoliberal falsehood. duffyduff Nov 2013 #70

Dude..... sendero Nov 2013 #72

Jonathan Kozol says the same thing about education in general alcibiades_mystery Nov 2013 #20

I think you're right gollygee Nov 2013 #30

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #46

While I agree that American schools are structurally racist I disagree that reform is a fix kmlisle Nov 2013 #42

Paragraph breaks are your friend when posting on this board. former9thward Nov 2013 #53

True dat ! lunasun Nov 2013 #128

Not seeing the political upside of such a statement BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #24

It's a perfect bookend to his one in 2010 about New Orleans. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #26

You got that right Starry. erodriguez Nov 2013 #97

Oh great, now Arne is insulting white suburban moms? proud2BlibKansan Nov 2013 #25

I wish she was thinking that, but is there evidence she'll dump "profits before people" approach? yurbud Nov 2013 #49

She'll fucking promote Arne MattBaggins Nov 2013 #88

duncan has/had his kids in the most expensive private school in chicago madrchsod Nov 2013 #28

Common core is more than just a set of standards onlyadream Nov 2013 #36

Fuck you Arne Duncan abelenkpe Nov 2013 #37

Yet it will be the non-asian minority kids who will do worse. AngryAmish Nov 2013 #40

I think there's some amount of truth in his comments, but it's not the biggest reason for opposition Renew Deal Nov 2013 #41

Note his comments attack parents rather than answer to the issues they raise. kmlisle Nov 2013 #43

this could be the beginning of the end for corporate education reform yurbud Nov 2013 #48

Well said! greatlaurel Nov 2013 #57

I sure hope you are right. nt laundry_queen Nov 2013 #77

Arne Duncan is a shitwipe opportunist gopiscrap Nov 2013 #58

you mean he wasn't a corporate whore before and during? yurbud Nov 2013 #66

well that also! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #67

He's the kind of guy who would have been pulling gold fillings at the concentration camps yurbud Nov 2013 #69

I have complained about Arne from Day 1...and took quite a bit of heat from it. onpatrol98 Nov 2013 #59

The problem in the Arne Duncan / Obama system of making schools compete for resources is that the Erose999 Nov 2013 #75

I will say this for what Arne said dsc Nov 2013 #86

+1 gollygee Nov 2013 #87

the tests are designed to prove all public schools are failures yurbud Nov 2013 #89

I agree with you on that dsc Nov 2013 #92

I could see that being true. Coming from Duncan though it's like a cannibal telling you eat... yurbud Nov 2013 #100

+1 proud2BlibKansan Nov 2013 #94

If the went to W's prep school and gave him this test, would his score prove his teacher and school yurbud Nov 2013 #90

You tell 'em Arne! JoeyT Nov 2013 #95

when the Democrats lose it's because the DLC'ers kick progressive in the teeth yurbud Nov 2013 #104

NOW global? bobclark86 Nov 2013 #103