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djean111

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56. Ha! I was thinking that, too.

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:15 PM

Nov 2013

Pretty much all I am getting from the relentless Hillary Hype is that I am seriously thinking I may not be what is nowadays a democrat. The hype is certainly not going to convince me to join the Hillary BFF Club, that's for sure.

Plus dismissing issues as "purist" and pretty much irrelevant, because the only thing politics is about is WINNING, no matter what the fuck the elected one does, is starting to sicken me.

Oh, and the twisting of people saying they won't vote for Hillary in a primary into people saying they won't for her in the general election is getting tiresome, too. If the Hillary word bath is designed to discourage people from supporting other possible candidates, or designed to win people over, it is a massive massive fail. I don't read the put-downs and sneering of some Hillary cheerleaders as a group I want to associate with.

And, again, pathetic how polls and numbers have replaced issues entirely. Issues, any issues, are now called unicorns or ponies. Fuck that.

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Bernie Sanders Open To 2016 Presidential Run [View all] monmouth3 Nov 2013 OP

Love me some Bernie... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #1

he's not running to win- should he run. He's running to push cali Nov 2013 #16

great...but I will still vote for Hillary cause she is going to be the first woman VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #17

if a woman is all that counts to you, go root for Palin cali Nov 2013 #31

I vote for Democrats...I want to BEAT the Republicans...particularly the men... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #35

I get you. To you it's one big partisan game cali Nov 2013 #42

Oh I don't funny that I do post links often to support my contentions. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #48

Says you.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #65

You really consider Hillary NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #111

Yes and I consider myself one too...Do you still consider Obama one? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #114

Actually, NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #115

Your "consideration" duly noted and dually wrong. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #116

Actually, I'm against ALL Republicans and their policies NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #117

Yeah well.....you would gladly trade a Blue Dog for your nutcase Virginia Foxx VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #154

Lol, you've GOT to be kidding. Unless you think Independents and Democrats are in love with sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #127

The senate would miss him, certainly Scootaloo Nov 2013 #2

I love him dearly, but ann--- Nov 2013 #3

He could do a lot of good in the primaries, forcing the mainstream leftward. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #5

Yes, and maybe open the eyes of some voters too. progressoid Nov 2013 #6

I think opening the eyes of voters is the main thing dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #12

Well, if everyone thinks like that NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #112

"All he needs to be viable is your vote." dotymed Nov 2013 #121

You can bet that on this site he'll be NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #124

Sadly, you are right. dotymed Nov 2013 #128

"If you can't run ON issues and specifics, woo me with science Nov 2013 #133

So, you don't think Obama could have been elected had he campaigned on NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #135

The West Wing MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #4

Bernie! otherone Nov 2013 #7

Wouldn't that be AWESOME?! tblue Nov 2013 #15

I wouldn't hold my breath. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #18

On Friday's Thom Hartmann show the senator made similar comments. alp227 Nov 2013 #8

He's got the right issues. And he's also right that... polichick Nov 2013 #9

Good. He really is "not as bad" as the Repug or 3rd Way Dem candidates. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #10

but he can't beat VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #20

Probably not. But, he's still better than the usual 3rd Way "not as bad" candidates we get from Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #24

but at least they can win... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #25

So, if the Dems want the votes that Sanders might get..they should run a leftist candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #26

The Dems won't win that way.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #36

Then they should blame themselves not Sanders. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #39

WTF? It won't happen...as I said. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #43

Really? You think the candidate who ran as a centrist in 2008 jeff47 Nov 2013 #54

Where did I say that? I do note that this is a Democratic forum however. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #62

You seem to not understand basic terminology. jeff47 Nov 2013 #71

No progressive was used by Liberals who were afraid of the word Liberal... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #74

And as I said below, calling myself Santa doesn't make be a jolly man in a red suit. jeff47 Nov 2013 #77

Whatever...I have been here long enough I don't need your directions... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #78

Sure, since you appear to be getting paid by the post. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #80

I wish! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #82

So it's an hourly gig then? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #108

Not a "gig" at all.....would that it was... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #136

You don't seem to know the word Progressive... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #63

That's because it's the label used by cowards unwilling to call themselves "liberal". (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #68

You do know there are quite a few Progressive Dems around DU that won't VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #91

Then they should stop running away from the word "liberal" jeff47 Nov 2013 #107

Speak for yourself. dotymed Nov 2013 #122

Words change meaning over time jeff47 Nov 2013 #123

Thanks Jeff. dotymed Nov 2013 #129

that word change took an act of Congress Jeff. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #137

I get the desire to win... Veilex Nov 2013 #57

This is not just winning....its NOT LOSING! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #64

Winning is pointless if you sell out. Veilex Nov 2013 #84

winning is only pointless to the losers.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #92

Yes it is... thats why winning is only worth while if your not a corporate sell out. Veilex Nov 2013 #96

So you would rather have.... OH say a George W Bush redux... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #98

Your premise is false... it assumes we can't win AND keep our ideals. Veilex Nov 2013 #102

It means....WE can LOSE...your premise that we can't is wrong... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #138

Where did I say "we cant" lose? Veilex Nov 2013 #142

So we are only supposed to have offense....but no defense??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #143

"So we are only supposed to have offense....but no defense???" Veilex Nov 2013 #144

You don't get to determine....full stop! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #145

"You are being myopic if you do" Hardly... You're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts. Veilex Nov 2013 #146

So who do we have with a higher approval rating? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #147

"So who do we have with a higher approval rating?" Veilex Nov 2013 #149

Do you understand it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #151

So you think you're entitled to a specific response... Veilex Nov 2013 #152

It sure as hell doesn't say much for HC that HappyMe Nov 2013 #150

Don't misunderstand me, I want us to win... however... Veilex Nov 2013 #99

baloney...ANY democrat is better than a Republican.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #100

I wish I could agree with that, I realy do. Veilex Nov 2013 #103

I would STILL vote for one of them over ANY Republican... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #104

Understandable... Veilex Nov 2013 #105

You're a socialist who won't vote for a socialist? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #86

Socialist Democrat my dear...if Bernie ran as a Democrat...I would vote for him VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #93

They win because the NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #134

And Obama couldn't beat Hillary either, lol grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #109

and neither are hugely far left Candidates are they? LOL VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #139

Obama won because he ran far to the left of Hill. Fact is, Americans are far to the left of Obama:) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #140

this is ridiculous....what are you saying Hillary is fascist? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #141

"Even when Democrats win, conservatives claim that their ideology is still dominant" grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #153

good one. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #97

I don't think he'd be running as a Democrat. PDittie Nov 2013 #11

Potentially great idea warrenswil Nov 2013 #13

See, here's the thing Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #14

now here's the thing: Bernie should he run isn't running to win but to push issues cali Nov 2013 #19

can he beat Chris Christie? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #21

Who, Brown? Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #23

Not name recognition much further than the DU forum. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #32

That's such nonsense Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #41

Christie is just my stand in for a Republican at the moment... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #49

So you're proposing Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #53

You actually want to bring up Virginia? Remind me....who did they elect as Governor? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #72

Yup, way to dodge the issue Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #88

keep telling yourself that buddy! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #87

do you have a problem grasping a simple declarative sentence? cali Nov 2013 #28

Do you not understand that is just symbolism? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #33

a) it's not just symbolism and b) you directed a post to me cali Nov 2013 #37

And he cannot beat Chris Christie either.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #40

and you know that how? Oh, that's right, you fucking well don't. cali Nov 2013 #44

because I am a realist. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #46

You declared Clinton a liberal. That's not being a realist. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #55

No I didn't....she called herself a Progressive... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #59

If I call myself Santa, does that make it true? jeff47 Nov 2013 #60

She called herself that before anyone on DU identified themselves with the moniker.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #61

So she can incinerate a paper tiger. Ooooooo. jeff47 Nov 2013 #67

Or any Republican.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #69

So, were you lying when you said you were against "purging" jeff47 Nov 2013 #75

I am talking about people not candidates...try to keep up... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #76

And you are trying to purge discussion of any other candidates. jeff47 Nov 2013 #79

I am supporting the Democratic front runner VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #83

If there are no announced candidates, there are no front runners. jeff47 Nov 2013 #106

Can Hillary? D23MIURG23 Nov 2013 #70

100% yes:) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #110

Here's a few I can think of geardaddy Nov 2013 #45

I wouldn't be too sure about that dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #95

If he does enter the race, I will have to change my tagline graphic. silvershadow Nov 2013 #22

hello election 2000. MFM008 Nov 2013 #27

oh bullshit. you are clueless about bernie. he would never play that role cali Nov 2013 #29

EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #34

bzzzt fail again. Bernie is my Senator. Before that he was my rep. cali Nov 2013 #38

When did I say I did? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #66

sigh. you have trouble understanding... cali Nov 2013 #73

That is great news. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #30

Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzze, Sen Sanders! ReRe Nov 2013 #47

The Middle you say... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #50

So how much do you get paid per post? jeff47 Nov 2013 #51

Ha! I was thinking that, too. djean111 Nov 2013 #56

I don't worry 'bout her too much jeff47 Nov 2013 #58

k&r idwiyo Nov 2013 #52

I would so vote for him over Hillary Phlem Nov 2013 #81

Okay, so what happens here? tavalon Nov 2013 #85

As a Democrat, I would seriously consider him; as an Independant, I'd remember Nader Rowdyboy Nov 2013 #89

Well, that would certainly make things interesting! quinnox Nov 2013 #94

YES!!! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #101

DU's "centrists" hate Bernie more than any Republican. Why? He's an actual threat to their power. Romulox Nov 2013 #113

Please point out any posting that exhibits hatred of Bernie Sanders... brooklynite Nov 2013 #118

Check out the *other* thread on this subject for some very anxious "centrists". nt Romulox Nov 2013 #119

...which you couldn't be bothered to provide a link to? brooklynite Nov 2013 #120

'He can't win' is not a "factual assessment" Union Scribe Nov 2013 #130

Its an opinion based on the assessment of the writer...and still isn't hatred... brooklynite Nov 2013 #131

I don't think there are any such posters treestar Nov 2013 #132

If Bernie runs, I will vote for him in the primaries. man4allcats Nov 2013 #125

Good News! JDPriestly Nov 2013 #126

He could win if Democrats didn't split the vote by voting for moderates. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #148

kick woo me with science Dec 2013 #155