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Veilex

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57. I get the desire to win...

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 06:16 PM

Nov 2013

but winning should not require that we sell our soul.
A nominee wins on their ground game... not initial impressions.
Obama won because of enormous ground swell support, organization and proper messaging.
A great ground game can win the oval office for any nominee.

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Bernie Sanders Open To 2016 Presidential Run [View all] monmouth3 Nov 2013 OP

Love me some Bernie... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #1

he's not running to win- should he run. He's running to push cali Nov 2013 #16

great...but I will still vote for Hillary cause she is going to be the first woman VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #17

if a woman is all that counts to you, go root for Palin cali Nov 2013 #31

I vote for Democrats...I want to BEAT the Republicans...particularly the men... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #35

I get you. To you it's one big partisan game cali Nov 2013 #42

Oh I don't funny that I do post links often to support my contentions. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #48

Says you.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #65

You really consider Hillary NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #111

Yes and I consider myself one too...Do you still consider Obama one? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #114

Actually, NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #115

Your "consideration" duly noted and dually wrong. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #116

Actually, I'm against ALL Republicans and their policies NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #117

Yeah well.....you would gladly trade a Blue Dog for your nutcase Virginia Foxx VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #154

Lol, you've GOT to be kidding. Unless you think Independents and Democrats are in love with sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #127

The senate would miss him, certainly Scootaloo Nov 2013 #2

I love him dearly, but ann--- Nov 2013 #3

He could do a lot of good in the primaries, forcing the mainstream leftward. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #5

Yes, and maybe open the eyes of some voters too. progressoid Nov 2013 #6

I think opening the eyes of voters is the main thing dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #12

Well, if everyone thinks like that NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #112

"All he needs to be viable is your vote." dotymed Nov 2013 #121

You can bet that on this site he'll be NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #124

Sadly, you are right. dotymed Nov 2013 #128

"If you can't run ON issues and specifics, woo me with science Nov 2013 #133

So, you don't think Obama could have been elected had he campaigned on NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #135

The West Wing MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #4

Bernie! otherone Nov 2013 #7

Wouldn't that be AWESOME?! tblue Nov 2013 #15

I wouldn't hold my breath. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #18

On Friday's Thom Hartmann show the senator made similar comments. alp227 Nov 2013 #8

He's got the right issues. And he's also right that... polichick Nov 2013 #9

Good. He really is "not as bad" as the Repug or 3rd Way Dem candidates. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #10

but he can't beat VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #20

Probably not. But, he's still better than the usual 3rd Way "not as bad" candidates we get from Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #24

but at least they can win... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #25

So, if the Dems want the votes that Sanders might get..they should run a leftist candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #26

The Dems won't win that way.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #36

Then they should blame themselves not Sanders. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #39

WTF? It won't happen...as I said. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #43

Really? You think the candidate who ran as a centrist in 2008 jeff47 Nov 2013 #54

Where did I say that? I do note that this is a Democratic forum however. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #62

You seem to not understand basic terminology. jeff47 Nov 2013 #71

No progressive was used by Liberals who were afraid of the word Liberal... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #74

And as I said below, calling myself Santa doesn't make be a jolly man in a red suit. jeff47 Nov 2013 #77

Whatever...I have been here long enough I don't need your directions... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #78

Sure, since you appear to be getting paid by the post. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #80

I wish! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #82

So it's an hourly gig then? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #108

Not a "gig" at all.....would that it was... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #136

You don't seem to know the word Progressive... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #63

That's because it's the label used by cowards unwilling to call themselves "liberal". (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #68

You do know there are quite a few Progressive Dems around DU that won't VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #91

Then they should stop running away from the word "liberal" jeff47 Nov 2013 #107

Speak for yourself. dotymed Nov 2013 #122

Words change meaning over time jeff47 Nov 2013 #123

Thanks Jeff. dotymed Nov 2013 #129

that word change took an act of Congress Jeff. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #137

I get the desire to win... Veilex Nov 2013 #57

This is not just winning....its NOT LOSING! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #64

Winning is pointless if you sell out. Veilex Nov 2013 #84

winning is only pointless to the losers.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #92

Yes it is... thats why winning is only worth while if your not a corporate sell out. Veilex Nov 2013 #96

So you would rather have.... OH say a George W Bush redux... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #98

Your premise is false... it assumes we can't win AND keep our ideals. Veilex Nov 2013 #102

It means....WE can LOSE...your premise that we can't is wrong... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #138

Where did I say "we cant" lose? Veilex Nov 2013 #142

So we are only supposed to have offense....but no defense??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #143

"So we are only supposed to have offense....but no defense???" Veilex Nov 2013 #144

You don't get to determine....full stop! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #145

"You are being myopic if you do" Hardly... You're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts. Veilex Nov 2013 #146

So who do we have with a higher approval rating? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #147

"So who do we have with a higher approval rating?" Veilex Nov 2013 #149

Do you understand it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #151

So you think you're entitled to a specific response... Veilex Nov 2013 #152

It sure as hell doesn't say much for HC that HappyMe Nov 2013 #150

Don't misunderstand me, I want us to win... however... Veilex Nov 2013 #99

baloney...ANY democrat is better than a Republican.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #100

I wish I could agree with that, I realy do. Veilex Nov 2013 #103

I would STILL vote for one of them over ANY Republican... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #104

Understandable... Veilex Nov 2013 #105

You're a socialist who won't vote for a socialist? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #86

Socialist Democrat my dear...if Bernie ran as a Democrat...I would vote for him VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #93

They win because the NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #134

And Obama couldn't beat Hillary either, lol grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #109

and neither are hugely far left Candidates are they? LOL VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #139

Obama won because he ran far to the left of Hill. Fact is, Americans are far to the left of Obama:) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #140

this is ridiculous....what are you saying Hillary is fascist? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #141

"Even when Democrats win, conservatives claim that their ideology is still dominant" grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #153

good one. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #97

I don't think he'd be running as a Democrat. PDittie Nov 2013 #11

Potentially great idea warrenswil Nov 2013 #13

See, here's the thing Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #14

now here's the thing: Bernie should he run isn't running to win but to push issues cali Nov 2013 #19

can he beat Chris Christie? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #21

Who, Brown? Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #23

Not name recognition much further than the DU forum. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #32

That's such nonsense Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #41

Christie is just my stand in for a Republican at the moment... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #49

So you're proposing Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #53

You actually want to bring up Virginia? Remind me....who did they elect as Governor? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #72

Yup, way to dodge the issue Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #88

keep telling yourself that buddy! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #87

do you have a problem grasping a simple declarative sentence? cali Nov 2013 #28

Do you not understand that is just symbolism? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #33

a) it's not just symbolism and b) you directed a post to me cali Nov 2013 #37

And he cannot beat Chris Christie either.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #40

and you know that how? Oh, that's right, you fucking well don't. cali Nov 2013 #44

because I am a realist. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #46

You declared Clinton a liberal. That's not being a realist. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #55

No I didn't....she called herself a Progressive... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #59

If I call myself Santa, does that make it true? jeff47 Nov 2013 #60

She called herself that before anyone on DU identified themselves with the moniker.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #61

So she can incinerate a paper tiger. Ooooooo. jeff47 Nov 2013 #67

Or any Republican.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #69

So, were you lying when you said you were against "purging" jeff47 Nov 2013 #75

I am talking about people not candidates...try to keep up... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #76

And you are trying to purge discussion of any other candidates. jeff47 Nov 2013 #79

I am supporting the Democratic front runner VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #83

If there are no announced candidates, there are no front runners. jeff47 Nov 2013 #106

Can Hillary? D23MIURG23 Nov 2013 #70

100% yes:) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #110

Here's a few I can think of geardaddy Nov 2013 #45

I wouldn't be too sure about that dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #95

If he does enter the race, I will have to change my tagline graphic. silvershadow Nov 2013 #22

hello election 2000. MFM008 Nov 2013 #27

oh bullshit. you are clueless about bernie. he would never play that role cali Nov 2013 #29

EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #34

bzzzt fail again. Bernie is my Senator. Before that he was my rep. cali Nov 2013 #38

When did I say I did? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #66

sigh. you have trouble understanding... cali Nov 2013 #73

That is great news. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #30

Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzze, Sen Sanders! ReRe Nov 2013 #47

The Middle you say... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #50

So how much do you get paid per post? jeff47 Nov 2013 #51

Ha! I was thinking that, too. djean111 Nov 2013 #56

I don't worry 'bout her too much jeff47 Nov 2013 #58

k&r idwiyo Nov 2013 #52

I would so vote for him over Hillary Phlem Nov 2013 #81

Okay, so what happens here? tavalon Nov 2013 #85

As a Democrat, I would seriously consider him; as an Independant, I'd remember Nader Rowdyboy Nov 2013 #89

Well, that would certainly make things interesting! quinnox Nov 2013 #94

YES!!! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #101

DU's "centrists" hate Bernie more than any Republican. Why? He's an actual threat to their power. Romulox Nov 2013 #113

Please point out any posting that exhibits hatred of Bernie Sanders... brooklynite Nov 2013 #118

Check out the *other* thread on this subject for some very anxious "centrists". nt Romulox Nov 2013 #119

...which you couldn't be bothered to provide a link to? brooklynite Nov 2013 #120

'He can't win' is not a "factual assessment" Union Scribe Nov 2013 #130

Its an opinion based on the assessment of the writer...and still isn't hatred... brooklynite Nov 2013 #131

I don't think there are any such posters treestar Nov 2013 #132

If Bernie runs, I will vote for him in the primaries. man4allcats Nov 2013 #125

Good News! JDPriestly Nov 2013 #126

He could win if Democrats didn't split the vote by voting for moderates. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #148

kick woo me with science Dec 2013 #155