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Spider Jerusalem

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90. Serious response to this question:
Mon Nov 18, 2013, 08:19 PM
Nov 2013

Because all of the evidence supports the conclusions of the Warren Commission.

All of the ballistics evidence supports it. The bullets were fired by Oswald's rifle, to the exclusion of all other weapons.

All of the forensic evidence supports it. The nature of the wounds clearly shows that the shots came from behind, from the TSBD.

All of the witness evidence and circumstantial evidence supports it. Multiple people saw a rifle in that sixth-floor window; several people saw the shooter. One gave a description to police that fit Oswald. Oswald's rifle and three spent cartridges were found on the sixth floor. Oswald was the only TSBD employee who went missing that afternoon. Oswald shot a police officer and was seen by multiple witnesses.

Reconstructions and analyses of the assassination using computer modelling and techniques unavailable in 1963 support it. The "magic bullet"? Not magic. Hypothesised locations of other shooters? Not possible. (A shot from the grassy knoll would have killed Jackie as well.)

On the other hand, there's no evidence whatever that contradicts the conclusions of the Warren Commission. For the Warren Commission to have gotten it wrong would require that there was another shooter--which, considering the forensic evidence of the wounds, the photographic evidence of the Zapruder film, the evidence of witnesses, is not possible; or would require that all of the evidence was fabricated or planted--would require, for instance, that the Zapruder film was altered, as has been asserted by some conspiracists; that the autopsy photos and X-rays were altered, would require that, as asserted by David Lifton, Kennedy's body was altered to disguise the nature of the wounds; would require that Oswald's rifle was planted, that the bullet fragments recovered from the limo, and the intact bullet recovered from Connally's stretcher, were planted, at a time when the Dallas Police had yet to recover Oswald's rifle from the place he'd hidden it, and therefore would further require that shadowy conspiracists seeking to frame Oswald had access to that rifle well in advance...or would require that Oswald had close contact with conspirators in the four days prior to the assassination, since the motorcade route wasn't finalised until 18 November, something for which there is, again, no evidence.

There's no evidence to conclude they were wrong. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #1
Lots of evidence of a cover up RobertEarl Nov 2013 #2
What evidence of a cover up? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #5
Good gawd RobertEarl Nov 2013 #6
OK, present your evidence. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #10
How can anyone be so blind? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #13
Actually I believe in people who go around killing people... Chan790 Nov 2013 #43
Hahaha RobertEarl Nov 2013 #56
Miracles happen, good sir. Chan790 Nov 2013 #64
I must apologize for that other poster trying to upset your carefully crafted denial bubble. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #16
People are gonna believe conspiracies. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #22
Common sense? Common sense would tell you that dipshit Oswald couldnt rhett o rick Nov 2013 #45
Well said! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #53
How difficult is it to stick a rifle out a window and hit a nearby object? cpwm17 Nov 2013 #57
I wont argue with you, you have your mind made up. But just want to say, that the massive rhett o rick Nov 2013 #95
Do you know what common sense is? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #80
I am glad you are comfortable with the "facts". nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #82
Yep. Oswald DID do it alone. Those are the facts. stopbush Nov 2013 #88
It's hard to discuss something with someone that right off states that they rhett o rick Nov 2013 #98
Funny, because I see the conspiracy theories as engaging in the same magical thinking stopbush Nov 2013 #99
But you are defining CT as "fact-bereft", when that isnt necessarily so. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #105
You're right, conspiracies do exist. Some to kill world leaders, in fact. stopbush Nov 2013 #111
Was Ted Kennedy gullible? jberryhill Nov 2013 #128
What? rhett o rick Nov 2013 #130
Ted Kennedy. Was he gullible? jberryhill Nov 2013 #137
You must have responded to the wrong post. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #139
"unbelievable marksmanship" Major Nikon Nov 2013 #42
Yes. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #126
The "unbelievable" comment was sarcasm Major Nikon Nov 2013 #135
Three of the Commission members didn't agree with the conclusions dflprincess Nov 2013 #4
The FBI had a special reason for their own cover-up. Archae Nov 2013 #8
Exactly. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #12
Do you really believe that RFK had any idea of EVERYTHING that Hoover....... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #29
RFK did ask McCone if the CIA had killed his brother dflprincess Nov 2013 #35
And, less than a decade later, Hale Boggs was killed in a plane crash Ken Burch Nov 2013 #89
And that happened not long after he made it clear that, if he became Speaker of the House dflprincess Nov 2013 #106
Carl Albert was Speaker of the House when Boggs died. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #124
Boggs and Albert were on the outs dflprincess Nov 2013 #125
The point is that the investigation was reopened even with Boggs' death. nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #127
Obviously by your posting there was no evidence whistler162 Nov 2013 #18
Yes. My role was planned for me before I was born. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #23
I hear you, and don't forget, JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #30
Their conclusion has NEVER been disproven, and there has NEVER been any evidence duffyduff Nov 2013 #55
Neither has most other conspiracy theorists conclusions. So what? Th1onein Nov 2013 #58
I disagree. stopbush Nov 2013 #145
I'm sorry, but the PTB decide what the narrative is; they decide what the "truth" is. Th1onein Nov 2013 #153
The day you can offer a scintilla of objective evidence to support your CT madness, I'll listen. stopbush Nov 2013 #155
Do you really have to go there? CT madess? Lips flapping in the wind? Th1onein Nov 2013 #158
LBJ plotted to kill JFK? JFK's limo driver turned around and shot him? stopbush Nov 2013 #159
I've said nothing about LBJ or anyone else. I'm saying that the "official" story is probably not Th1onein Nov 2013 #160
Most people think the official story isn't the truth, but they don't know that to be true. stopbush Nov 2013 #161
I'm glad you feel good about it, but most people don't. And when the files are still hidden, they Th1onein Nov 2013 #162
Aren't additional articles of evidence related to the event expected to be release upon the 50th? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #3
Some were reclassified and sealed back up, Reagan made sure they got a 20 year extension. Rex Nov 2013 #113
Well, nothing suspicious about that, right? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #116
??? The ARRA dates from 1992. Reagan had been out of office for 5 years stopbush Nov 2013 #147
Makes you wonder meanit Nov 2013 #7
They were supposed to release it on the 50th Anniversary Th1onein Nov 2013 #152
I have noticed a renewed push to accept the Warren report also. On TV and on-line. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #9
Attempting to convince the next generation? Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #11
I might change my mind if the govt releases all the records without The Second Stone Nov 2013 #14
Yeah right... no matter what they "release" whistler162 Nov 2013 #19
And you wouldn't believe they are holding anything back, The Second Stone Nov 2013 #21
Acquiesce TomClash Nov 2013 #15
A certain segment of our society is fond of rewriting history Va Lefty Nov 2013 #17
I am. Anxiously. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #77
Notably, those who are pushing this so fervently woo me with science Nov 2013 #20
Wrong again. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #24
Ha ha ha ha ha. woo me with science Nov 2013 #25
Prove it. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #27
The threads are right here. woo me with science Nov 2013 #33
I'm a fan of Assange and Greenwald and Snowden cpwm17 Nov 2013 #37
Links? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #50
You made the allegation in post #20. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #68
That is not true. I believe that Kennedy was killed by Oswald alone. I am not a ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #114
Shall we do a comparison of those pushing JFK CT so fervently here at DU Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #119
Show me where "the powers that be" have spent a moment on JFK in the past 40 years... brooklynite Nov 2013 #26
The CIA and FBI are convienient boogymen. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #28
Surely all of the dirty shit they are involved in exonerates them somehow of being involved in this. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #39
Why pile on false charges? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #67
You realize just saying there's zero evidence does not make it true. Right? GoneFishin Nov 2013 #70
Then where is it? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #78
50 years worth of articles have been written. Do your own Googling. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #85
Poppy Bush's defense of Gerald Ford and the Warren Commission at Ford's funeral was a bit odd. dflprincess Nov 2013 #31
Do you think Earl Warren was covering up? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #69
If he had been convinced it was "for the good of country", sure he would. dflprincess Nov 2013 #107
Chief Justice is appointed for life... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #108
That's right. CanSocDem Nov 2013 #72
Earl Warren and others were present... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #79
LOL, this shit is really cracking me up. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #32
You might be mistaken. gristy Nov 2013 #34
What "powers that be"? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #36
Sadly, your list of facts about the assassination reads like a blur stopbush Nov 2013 #63
Yep. Nobody in this country could arrange for all that "iron clad" evidence to be GoneFishin Nov 2013 #38
I dont trust my government. I am not a TeaBagger but I am very skeptical of rhett o rick Nov 2013 #40
You're not skeptical enough. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #41
cleaning up paper is easier than digital docs JVS Nov 2013 #48
You mean, like the Pentagon Papers? nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #60
Becasue they don't want the truth to get out zappaman Nov 2013 #44
I love how JFK's hair looks exactly as it did in 1963 in that picture, only whiter. stopbush Nov 2013 #112
My guess is that the media have blood on their hands too. ucrdem Nov 2013 #46
It truely makes me worry what they might be leading up to in the future kickysnana Nov 2013 #47
You could be right. For them it might not be about the past. It might be about the future. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #73
Good questions and I'm not ready to buy into the arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #49
Because its the 50 year anniversary of the event. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #51
A majority of the American people do not believe the Warren Commission report Samantha Nov 2013 #52
There is no conspiracy to force you to believe anything. However, duffyduff Nov 2013 #54
argumentum ad ignorantiam PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #59
Well, it's been 50 years now, and the assassination belongs to history. stopbush Nov 2013 #61
Next generation might open up the sealed files some don't want Congress Rex Nov 2013 #62
Is this what you'll be posting about the 50 yr anniversaries of the Challenger disaster and 9/11? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #65
They need to reinforce the spin... MinM Nov 2013 #66
Because the National Security State is no longer a dirty little secret reddread Nov 2013 #71
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #74
One word, Poppy madokie Nov 2013 #75
The WCR is a pathetic work of fiction, with no usable index, no thorough witness-briefings, and on WinkyDink Nov 2013 #76
Exactly! JohnyCanuck Nov 2013 #81
the endless conspiricy theories have convinced me to accept the Warren Commission also mulsh Nov 2013 #83
What conclusions did they draw from the bullet fragments removed from his brain? n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #86
Good Practices in Propaganda Octafish Nov 2013 #84
He wouldn't want that PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #87
Serious response to this question: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #90
Here's a good note about the stretcher bullet stopbush Nov 2013 #121
The conspirators worked in mysterious ways nt cpwm17 Nov 2013 #129
All excellent points. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #133
Where's your evidence that vague and nameless PTB are fixated on getting folk to buy the WCR? struggle4progress Nov 2013 #91
Have you ever considered the possibility Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #92
do you guys do Handel's Messiah? reddread Nov 2013 #93
Have you a point you'd like to make? n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #96
The MSM is convinced (and maybe they're correct for once) that this is their last chance Boomerproud Nov 2013 #94
I always found it funny how much information they had on the lone killer so fast. texanwitch Nov 2013 #97
The route could never have gone straight down the road. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #100
I remember reading that the Secret Service had a thing about turns. texanwitch Nov 2013 #101
That's fine and true, but going straight down Main, they couldn't get to the Trade Mart. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #103
The President's safety was more important then a direct route to the Trade Mart. texanwitch Nov 2013 #104
For someone who isn't even aware of the layout of Dealey Plaza stopbush Nov 2013 #148
I will never understand the thinking about thinking one lone nut killed the President. texanwitch Nov 2013 #150
"and look what happened to Oswald's killer." stopbush Nov 2013 #154
yeah I've been wondering that also gopiscrap Nov 2013 #102
I don't know, but I think somebody is afraid further evidence may be discovered. lonestarnot Nov 2013 #109
Full transparency. Rex Nov 2013 #115
Good. I'd like to know before I die. I don't know why they always leave out the video of SS being lonestarnot Nov 2013 #117
If it was to keep us from going into WWIII with the USSR Rex Nov 2013 #118
What does it matter if the SS was "waved off the car" at Love Field. stopbush Nov 2013 #120
What a bunch of know-it-all-blow-hard insulting pile we have here. The man that was waved off lonestarnot Nov 2013 #122
If that's the best you can do, why even bother? stopbush Nov 2013 #123
No. You ignore details. lonestarnot Nov 2013 #141
I ignore fictions. You're welcome to them, stopbush Nov 2013 #142
And yet... Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #132
So another guy is sitting down, not the guy waved off. lonestarnot Nov 2013 #140
Was that man there as the limo left Love Field? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #149
Not the plan of the day. Your attempt at minimizing is not working. lonestarnot Nov 2013 #163
Why don't you go hug the WC since that is all you believe in. Rex Nov 2013 #143
Right. Then explain to all of us how those SAs ended up on JFK's limo stopbush Nov 2013 #146
That's precisely why I've never stopped being interested... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #110
It's because of people like you, and me, and everyone that was alive at the time. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #131
The fact that Oswald was murdered Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #134
My observation is pretty much the opposite Major Nikon Nov 2013 #136
"We know what we saw." jberryhill Nov 2013 #138
Because the takeover isn't quite complete. polichick Nov 2013 #144
I think this has something to do with it: Th1onein Nov 2013 #151
K&R The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #156
Just like the massive effort scientists put into convincing people about.... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #157
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