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In reply to the discussion: ‘Rape porn’ possession to be punished by three years in jail, David Cameron to announce [View all]
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)479. I don't want anyone to "regulate fiction." I thought I just said that.
And as far as I can see this has nothing to do with feature films, even ones like "Irreversible" - which I've seen, and yes it's extremely harsh, but no I would never want to see it banned, especially seeing as it's a very well-made (if nearly unwatchable at points) film.
What I'm talking about are videos - not feature films - that either depict the actual rape and/or torture of a human being, or are presented as depicting such, to the point that you can't tell one from the other. The sort of thing where, whether it's "real" or not, the viewer pretty much takes for granted that it is. Which is nothing like a film - even an extremely violent, disturbing film - where the viewer knows that what they're seeing isn't real.
I don't know if I've made things any clearer, but I figured it was worth a shot... 
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‘Rape porn’ possession to be punished by three years in jail, David Cameron to announce [View all]
The Straight Story
Nov 2013
OP
I wonder if this really solves the core problem or just band-aids it ... what drives
RKP5637
Nov 2013
#1
Did I say rape pornography should be illegal? No. Try responding to what I actually wrote next time.
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#286
No, the absurdity is inherent in the conflation of rape pornography, which justifies sexual violence
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#298
That was my thought. What about movies that depict murder? Is it a crime to depict it in a movie?
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#210
You know I am talking about Hollywood movies with actors, not actual murders
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#489
And You know we're not talking about ' Freedom of Speech ' or censorship of Art,
orpupilofnature57
Nov 2013
#606
Perhaps I missed it, but I did not see in the article anything to distinguish a BBC
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#649
I could never make it through that movie, but I don't think it should be banned just because I found
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#563
Priceless, you can't even comprehend there are two separate elements we are talking about...
Katashi_itto
Nov 2013
#161
I leave the "knack of posting a lot while saying nothing" to you. Youve said nothing as usual that
Katashi_itto
Nov 2013
#175
So this must be simulated too I guess: The headlines are shouting RAPE IN DECLINE
Katashi_itto
Nov 2013
#149
Sounds like your Modus Operandi actually. Besides what does it matter, you won remember?
Katashi_itto
Nov 2013
#227
Correction, nothing much to say to you. I mean seriously you even didnt get the initial argument
Katashi_itto
Nov 2013
#244
Wow, you've made an internet poster give up on attempting to educate you in the slightest out of
EOTE
Nov 2013
#729
Snicker, No the post is there. again if you resort to simply saying untruths thats your issue
Katashi_itto
Nov 2013
#223
Y'know, the civil and normal reaction would have been to just answer someone's question...
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#230
What cultural and demographic influences do you credit for the 80% drop in rape victimization?
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#509
I read that 1 in 5 women are raped in the country. That is still a very high number.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#510
I've got a question for you. Do you think clips of actual rapes should be banned?
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#181
So a movie like "Last House of the Left" where you have rape scenes and such, gets defined by you
Katashi_itto
Nov 2013
#184
I'm not interested in anything but hearing an answer to the very self-same question you present
Katashi_itto
Nov 2013
#194
Well, seeing yr refusing to say whether you want real rape clips banned or not...
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#196
What is it with people who ignore questions and come up with bizarre questions? n/t
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#201
It was very simple. Only one person refuses to say that they think real rape should be banned...
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#211
Just because some law somewhere isn't currently being abused, that doesn't extrapolate to much of
EOTE
Nov 2013
#232
Not being an American, I'm not an absolutist when it comes to censorship...
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#240
This is about possession of material that it is already illegal to publish
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#252
If I may step in here..I think the term might be "Simulated assault Scene" with emphasis on the word
BlueJazz
Nov 2013
#169
you are not jacking off to horror films create an euphoric reaction thru the chemicals in your brain
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#627
bullshit. horror films are not created with the absolute intent to get a person off, firstly.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#664
in any fatnasy, the people have total control of that fantasy. it is not rape. it is wrong to
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#667
what is put on screen is not the same as what we fantasize about. that would be the point.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#684
i think when discussing stuff like this its important to draw distinct lines
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#693
Ridiculous. There must be people here who remember the "Sopranos" episode where Melfi got raped.
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#7
it does say something with how much graphic rape we have in our shows to entertain us, right? nt
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#8
entertain is exactly the word. actual girls, raped and put on the net to entertain the boys. ya...
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#17
hey there, i would say that like violence on tv etc, it shows that we all have a dark side
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#16
right. that would be why we have so much of the real thing put on the net for entertainment. but,
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#18
i agree with the issue over the real thing, thats when prosecution should be hard
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#19
wrong. it feeds the appetite. it sexualizes and exploits. they are at the point of sexualizing
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#21
the fetish side of it is already out there, with every other fetish from the wierd to the sick
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#23
thats the problem with stuff like this, its hard to differentiate sometimes
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#40
I get your point, and haven't you heard of men get turned on by being tied up, demeaned
whathehell
Nov 2013
#257
Not for for you, perhaps, but for many others, having sex is different than 'going to the movies"
whathehell
Nov 2013
#297
no problem, no point arguing if we wont change each others minds, civility wins
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#323
not really, it was not that long ago people were accusing pedo priests etc of being a gay problem
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#272
"The mere tendency of speech to encourage unlawful acts is not a sufficient reason for banning it.."
davidn3600
Nov 2013
#77
Case in point. The massive increase in rapes since the release of the film "Deliverance".
EOTE
Nov 2013
#202
Here's a clue: The Sopranos, Clockwork Orange, Deliverance, I Spit on Your Grave aren't
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#69
Only in America would people think Game of Thrones and Clockwork Orange is porn...
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#146
Of course, because the denizens of Oz are so BRILLIANT as to never make that mistake, right?
whathehell
Nov 2013
#314
I believe I used the word "had" and I didn't say ALL your posts are bigoted, lol
whathehell
Nov 2013
#410
'Is there ANY thread in which you can't find some small excuse to vent your anti-American Bigotry?'
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#457
No understanding of nuance (them, not you). Seems evidence of a childlike psychology.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#320
Watch out. You'll be labelled an anti-American bigot as well if yr not careful n/t
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#341
It's okay, I am an American. So I have a measure of immunity, I suppose.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#343
Bullshit...Speak to her of Australians "in general"..She doesn't even KNOW any Americans,
whathehell
Nov 2013
#346
Just observations of my own countrymen/women. Having lived my whole life in this country.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#353
Having lived your whole life in this country, your ability to "compare and contrast"
whathehell
Nov 2013
#386
Okay, seeing you keep on saying yr leaving and don't, I'll pull the plug now...
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#473
Sorry, but that's just not true...I even gave you "tips" on where to go when you were
whathehell
Nov 2013
#441
Oh My Gawd -- Are you just finding out that this board is public to all its members?
whathehell
Nov 2013
#471
What is it with this "yr"?...You're not on Twitter, so perhaps you could spell it out in full, lol?
whathehell
Nov 2013
#629
no, differentiating between real rape and simulated rape is your first step, much like real murder
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#621
was that meant to be porn ? didn't watch the show but i'm guessing it was shown as rape
JI7
Nov 2013
#151
there are ways of telling, thats why the cops get sent video if sometjing is not right
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#385
no such thing as to much info if you want to make informed decisions on something
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#443
oh your not trust me, this is just simple info on the new faces of porn that are out there
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#449
I don't know. 15? 20? I'm sure you know or else you wouldn't have asked, so tell me.
EOTE
Nov 2013
#671
wow. the total dismissal and irrelevance sex trafficking has on you. abusing women. meh? so?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#680
Says the one accusing others of mob mentality and being a jerk and an embarrassment.
EOTE
Nov 2013
#703
So you are saying British law makes no distinction between art and pornography?
BainsBane
Nov 2013
#352
Disturbing in this thread how many at once thinks about fictional images of rape
KitSileya
Nov 2013
#11
there is a big difference between actual rape videos and pics and there being a victim
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#14
That's because the proposed law applies to fictional images of rape as well as real ones.
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#24
We can see you don't understand it, because you brought up The Sopranos
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#73
I was going by the OP, which said "images of rape, whether simulated or not".
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#93
it says "It is against the law to publish images of rape but a legal loophole ...
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#102
Yes. "Many on this thread are more worried about their titillation than the fabric of our culture"
whathehell
Nov 2013
#726
If it's simulated and between two consenting adults, why should it matter?
Vashta Nerada
Nov 2013
#20
on film? how do you know? how do you know it is simulated and not actual rape?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#581
ya. one was brought onto du from fb. from teh minute she was picked up off the street to taken out
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#585
they are using kidnapped women and children to make the rape porn. they can easily put the little
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#589
did i say ALL... ok. so you have a section of rape porn you are pretty sure, not positive, but
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#626
When you can't tell "simulated" sexual violence from the real thing, you get laws
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#587
It can desensitize some people to violence against women. Edited to include it not I.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#561
probuably safest thing is to record the whole thing with consent taped at the start and parameters
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#25
no problem, but its both male and female who have the fetish and its not really about the rape
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#28
and yet you find the time to worry about what consenting adults do in their sex lifes
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#615
And the ability of the KKK to hold marches. And the ability of people to use the "f" word in public.
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#54
Do you want to make a list of what would be banned under such a stupid law in America?
davidn3600
Nov 2013
#55
Yes Jefferson, whose relationship with Sally Hemmings was totally 100% consensual...
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2013
#533
You're talking about stuff that, even if it doesn't depict real sexual assault, is indistinguishable
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#337
In that case, you're opposed to the First Amendment to the Constitution, and I'm opposed to you.
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#630
Quite the conceited argument you make, proposing that anyone who disagrees
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#669
It is already against the law to publish images of rape porn, so The Accused is unaffected
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#80
This law (according to the OP) only applies to material that's already illegal.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#328
There is a difference between a consensual fantasy and real sexual assault.
backscatter712
Nov 2013
#96
Like I said, the problem is that the consensual stuff will be labeled as "rape porn"...
backscatter712
Nov 2013
#108
wtf are you on about now, dont you get it, people as part of their sex life
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#134
Yes, and women's right to live as EQUALS outweighs misogynists' "right" to their sick erections. n/t
whathehell
Nov 2013
#736
"there is correlation between watching that stuff and actual rape" You forgot a word.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#773
Force fantasies are usually identified among the top 3 WOMENS sexual fantasies.
Xithras
Nov 2013
#47
its actually very common, power and sex are closely linked in many fetishes of both sexes.
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#72
You're a man, but you speak only of women & with such "authority"..How about discussing MEN & their
whathehell
Nov 2013
#331
Honey, I AM a woman...So maybe..Gee, just MAYBE I know something about women you and other men don't
whathehell
Nov 2013
#379
Nah, not the point, but again, why don't you want to talk about YOUR fantasies or that of other men?
whathehell
Nov 2013
#405
How about YOU read my other POSTS on this thread, so YOU know what you are TALKING ABOUT
whathehell
Nov 2013
#402
Fantasies may be somewhat gender neutral in terms of the relative power dynamics
BainsBane
Nov 2013
#505
if such fantasies didn't exist, 50 shades of grey wouldn't be so popular with women.
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#555
again... in fantasy there is total control over every that happens from appearance, to place, to
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#560
No one said they don't "exist"...Fifty shades of grey is popular with some women, hardly all,
whathehell
Nov 2013
#728
no. 62% of women create a scenario of an appearance of but no. they fantasize about the paticipants
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#536
when women fantasize about rape, they have control on all aspect of that rape. the man,
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#576
What's the difference between something being eroticised and someone having a fetish for something?
sibelian
Nov 2013
#53
We need safe outlets for people to explore their sexuality in a consensual and safe way.
backscatter712
Nov 2013
#58
Yeah. I was involved in the Scottish BDSM community when I was younger, consent is CRUCIAL to them.
sibelian
Nov 2013
#137
Exactly - we're arguing in this threat over what is the definition of "rape porn".
backscatter712
Nov 2013
#153
Well, as I understood it, imagery of anything ACTUALLY non-consensual isn't "rape porn" it's SNUFF.
sibelian
Nov 2013
#334
thats the crux, anything consenting adults do should be none of anyones business
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#83
When you are in a trusting relationship you can feel safe to explore sexual fantasies.
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#570
I see someone upthread has already addressed the child issue. Children cannot give consent so stop
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#723
when you are in a trusting relationship pretending to rape and be raped, you are not raping and
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#574
thanks, is it okay for them to video it as well and post it so others can see.
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#48
I suppose if it's clearly depicted as consensual - and no one is actually hurt - then it's okay.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#359
i think that it would be better to have the contract in writing or on tape
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#364
Disclaimers at the start of the video, etc. Just to clearly separate it from the "real thing."
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#367
could have one of those no animals where hurt in the making things and some org certify it
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#369
I agree. Which is why I think this law is problematic even if I sympathize with some of its goals.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#348
I don't think this is meant to "regulate fiction" though. It has to do with either *real* depictions
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#361
But what I'm talking about here is recordings of *actual crimes*. *Not* anything fictitious.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#499
Personally, I'd only be interested in prosecuting people who produce actual videos of criminal acts
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#526
the scottish law is not to bad, only issues i have is the could cause severe injury part
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#79
Cartoon tentacle porn won't be affected by this, I'm pretty sure... Though I could be wrong...
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#363
I'm actually not kidding when I say that I've studiously avoided hentai up till now.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#746
Oh yeah, "Fritz"! I've seen bits and pieces of it, been meaning to watch the whole thing.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#749
well the comment seemed to imply on women were simulated raped, I was pointing out
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#171
gah i hate typing on the cellphone it always messes up words or autocorrects
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#253
All clearly fictional portrayals (as in feature films) are "OK" I'm pretty sure.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#365
as i said earlier real rape tapes should be hammered but consenting adults should be able to record
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#254
I see Camerwrong has fixed everything else in the UK and has to time to deal with this stuff now....
truebrit71
Nov 2013
#157
That's why I'm skeptical of this law, even though I agree with some of its objectives... n/t
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#366
What the nasty apologists in this thread don't understand is, everything in a movie is ALWAYS real.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#228
if they are paying then they are doing it wrong, i could link you to many free sites rigjt now
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#255
lol, youbreally think that ibwant you to watch something that you are talking as an expert on
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#265
So you are of the opinion that women are not capable of consenting to have sex in front of a camera,
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#600
Pictures of consenting adults doing things the government doesn't like = crime
cthulu2016
Nov 2013
#256
There are mainstream, popular porn stars who participate in rape pornography.
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#270
And that is certainly a worthy discussion. But I think what should be the main discussion here...
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#307
I'm sorry but the equation of two consenting adults does not mean rape porn is okay.
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#282
i dont know were this idea that its against women, women are big into this as well
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#295
I really, seriously don't need a lecture on human sexuality from you. Just an FYI.
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#302
I have not once in this entire thread stated that rape pornography should be illegal.
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#303
I would say for sure that we need more protections for workers in general, not just sex workers...
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#572
And no one in their right mind is trying to make all pornography illegal.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#375
Yeah, that's part of the problem right there. And I acknowlege that this is a complex, frustrating
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#384
"no one in their right mind is trying to make all pornography illegal"
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#605
is not all porn garbage to people not into it, theres shitloads of stuff out there that few watch
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#275
its one of those if it floats your boat question, we all have kinks and fetishes that seem strange t
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#283
You are completely disregarding the substantive consequence of prolific sexual violence.
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#290
and like it or not its part of human nature, now we can fight the violence
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#306
I'm not an essentialist so if you are arguing that rape is implicitly within the human mind...
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#309
think if you read again, i was saying that submission domination etc are part of us all
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#311
Domination and submission is part of us all because we justify their existence.
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#312
i respect your opinion but disagree, i am happy with domination and submission and
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#316
think of it this way, are there aspects of your own sexuality that some people dont get
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#429
If a person has a fetish for watching rape then they need to get a new fetish.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#430
going to try to take this one apart, for some its the rape aspect that titillates, some are sick
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#433
And survivors of mass shootings probably hate to see gun violence in movies.
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#407
Yes this is very damaging to people because some but not all will become desensitized by this.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#523
When consenting adults decide to make a movie of themselves doing something, and nobody gets hurt,
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#281
I agree with this. Which is why they need to clearly differentiate what they're doing
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#381
Also important to distinguish between real "snuff" films and simulated violence (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#383
Of course. No argument from me. But no sane person watches a violent movie and think it's real.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#389
This is why, as I said, people need to very clearly differentiate their simulations
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#392
Any Killer ? We shouldn't ban kiddie porn ? or only if they kill the child ?
orpupilofnature57
Nov 2013
#455
Once in prison, how about on the way to the chair . And " Media influence "
orpupilofnature57
Nov 2013
#458
I don't disagree with the spirit of the law, even if I'm dubious on the 3-year sentence for
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#396
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" or "law of unintended consequences" or something.
Captain Stern
Nov 2013
#422
In general I agree. But what happens when you can't tell the "real thing" from the fake?
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#480
You have a point. And that's why I have my reservations about the extension of the law.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#490
you would rather see guilty folks watching a real rape in progress get away... well, bully for you.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#495
i do not want to see women and our children brutally raped for the entertainment of men. for
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#647
I also don't want see our women and children brutally raped for the entertainment of men.
Captain Stern
Nov 2013
#654
whose responsibility is it? the victim throwing a clue out during her rape so a buyer knows? or
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#655
since there is a huge market of trafficked women and children forced, or girls blackmailed to do
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#652
No, the law only makes illegal possession of porn that is illegal to produce
BainsBane
Nov 2013
#467
I wish people would stop freaking out and realize what this law actually entails.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#484
Very true. I suppose that's something of a built-in feature, when it comes to Internet
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#491
how do you know the difference between the "simulated" rape and actual rape how do you know you
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#637
huge sex slave trafficking with the sole purpose of producing rape films and presented to the public
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#658
OP is about the UK. It quickly devolved into a hypothetical discussion about the US.
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#643
in a womans rape fantasy, it is her fantasy to control. everything about the rape is her control
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#527
in the article it is what is in the womans head. ALL is in her control with her "rape" fantasy that
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#553
that is not what rape, nor supposed simulated rape created is. that would be the issue.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#635
the escalation of sex trafficking, kidnapping women and children, forcing rape on them,
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#656
so, you feel the buyer is responisble for the porn he consumes that a victim is not being forced
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#661
You keep bringing up this stuff about chemical reactions. Do you have a scientific source or study
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#738
woman has NO control in RAPE. fantasy of rape, she has control of ALL elements of rape. it is not
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#530
Consensual "forcible" sex might be a better way to put it. The quotation marks are important.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#575
how forcible is it when both parties agree this is what they are playing at? she can pretend to be
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#579
so, i am right. pretend. role play. the person trusts each other. big whoop. that is not rape.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#592
if you are defending the right to the rape porn, then ya, you are defending real rape. a vast amount
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#688
i do not give a fuck about camerons law. i an addressing the men that validate, normalize, excuse,
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#695
what is wrong is equating all this to actual rape. fantasy is nothing about rape. nt
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#593
How odd that you keep leaving out the important part of the language. Looks intentionally deceptive.
Bonobo
Nov 2013
#608
consentual forcible sex done exactly how the person wants it done and with who.... how forcible is
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#565
my brother dated a girl once who told him she wanted to play out a rape fantasy with him.
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#559
she chooses her rapist? and how would that be rape. they could play all they want, but she
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#568
how do you know the girls/women are willing? free of responsibility if you do not know?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#632
You (intentionally) left out the significant part of that. I'll fix it for you.
Bonobo
Nov 2013
#595
I think people are more afraid of the slippery slope and how such a law would apply in America
davidn3600
Nov 2013
#598
If a simulated depiction of a criminal act is indistinguishable from the "real thing"
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#604
How about the Government bans anything that is "extremely offensive to the average person"?
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#618
How about keeping actual murder and rape illegal, but fictional murder and rape legal?
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#644
You realize at the current state, this thread has 676 posts and you account for 118 of them?
snooper2
Nov 2013
#678
Someone in this thread keeps asserting that its -impossible- for a woman to consent
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#741
Zesty, perhaps, being an adjective better reserved for salad dressing
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#752
That PM wasn't directed at you, so I fail to see why I need to discuss it with you.
BainsBane
Nov 2013
#789
Kind of ironic since HOF regularly calls the owners of the site misogynists. nt
Bonobo
Nov 2013
#800
You lost any chance to get my time, consideration & energy when you sent me the "**** ***" PM.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#782
Lots of DUers have a great deal of trust that prosecutors will be able to determine
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#646
As you know very well, prosecutors do not convict people in the UK
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#735
You only say that because you're worried the UK is going to take away your rubber walrus porn
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#771
What I find really impressive is there is only one hidden post in this thread. n/t
Kurska
Nov 2013
#803
wonder how many alerts there have been though. but its amazing only one hide though
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#812
The funniest thing is people who think this will do literally anything besides send people to prison
Kurska
Nov 2013
#805
Actually, this would make if more effective than the original law
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#811