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In reply to the discussion: During the Zimmerman trial, we have had DUers argue for his acquittal, which, of course, happened... [View all]Tommy_Carcetti
(44,511 posts)58. "He clearly doubled back at some point to confront Zimmerman." Bullshit. Pure and utter bullshit.
First of all, you clearly discount the possibility that Trayvon hid out for a minute or two until he felt confident that he lost the strange man who was chasing him for no reason.
Secondly, let's not forget that the shooting occurred on the dog path in the back of the houses. So if in evading Zimmerman, Trayvon ran down the dog path, let's consider a few things. First, it was dark and rainy, with poor visibility. Moreover, it's a townhouse community, with the backs of the connected houses looking nearly identical to one another. Lastly, Trayvon was not a resident of the community, but a guest. He may not have been intimately familiar with the backs of the houses enough to identify which one is the house that he is staying at. There were no house numbers on the back of the house. The house numbers were all on the front of the houses. So wouldn't you agree that if Trayvon had actually been heading back up the dog path, it may have very well been because he wanted to get back over to Retreat View Circle so he could properly identify the house he was staying at?
Last and most importantly, why? Why would someone who was doing nothing wrong that night, and then found himself being followed and chased by a strange person for reasons unknown to him, who then ran away from his pursuer and manage to lose his pursuer, then suddenly change his mind and voluntarily double back and attack the man he worked so hard to escape? That makes zero sense. That's why I could not have voted to acquit Zimmerman, because that's the only story that placed him as a victim and it made no sense at all. It defied all logic. Wouldn't you agree?
Not to mention you make a big deal about supposedly how close Trayvon was to his house and the time that elapsed, but you completely gloss over how close Zimmerman claims he was to his car during that same amount of time, and what he was doing during that time? Or his dubious claim that he got out of the car only to identify the street he was on, despite the fact he had lived in the community for years, that the community only had 3 streets total, and he was the neighborhood watchman presumably familiar with his own neighborhood.
I'm calling total bullshit on your opinion here.
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During the Zimmerman trial, we have had DUers argue for his acquittal, which, of course, happened... [View all]
MrScorpio
Nov 2013
OP
He was a dangerous scumbag, then, who deserved to thrown in jail and left there...
MrScorpio
Nov 2013
#3
We have more evidence of poor judgement and violent tendencies on Zimmerman's part.
yardwork
Nov 2013
#4
He has proven to most that he really is a scumbag, violent, bigot steeped in guns.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#20
What's changed is that it took him terrorizing non-blacks to get some people to
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#48
That's because my POV is predicated on the firm belief that Martin was an innocent victim...
MrScorpio
Nov 2013
#59
I imagine many people get frustrated when they are forced to construct their own martyrdom
LanternWaste
Nov 2013
#115
The flaw in this argument IS the "self-defense" claim, which appears now more vapid than ever.
FourScore
Nov 2013
#88
I've seen no evidence that Trayvon acted wrongly. I think he was shot in cold blood.
yardwork
Nov 2013
#150
Maybe the cops should have investigated the shooting properly from the start...
Blue_Tires
Nov 2013
#149
There was never any doubt on my part, for which Zimmerman should have been given
Aristus
Nov 2013
#10
Maybe Martin didn't want to let the whack job with a gun know where his family lived.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#26
You are welcome to try and debunk it. The transcripts and recording of the 911 call are readily...
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#34
He had already run from the location of his car by the time the dispatcher told him he didn't need..
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#47
The arrows are there because those are locations mentioned by Zimmerman in the 911 recording.
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#54
Fact is, Zman started the incident, grabbed his gun, took off after unarmed kid who was shot.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#83
"He clearly doubled back at some point to confront Zimmerman." Bullshit. Pure and utter bullshit.
Tommy_Carcetti
Nov 2013
#58
Martin didn't go directly home because he was afraid of Zimmerman following him home,
FourScore
Nov 2013
#91
Zman initiated it when he grabbed his gun and took off after the unarmed kid for no reason.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#104
Zimmerman DID continue to pursue, he said so in the video... on it's face your premise is wrong
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#95
You can hear him stop running on the call. If he was pursuing it wasn't at a run, that's for sure.
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#101
that doesn't mean he didn't pursue him after he was told not to... in the video explanation he
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#107
Exactly. While on the phone with Sanford PD Zimmerman could have said something
csziggy
Nov 2013
#135
Since DU is a major source of mine of what's going on in the world (well DU is the best site)
cpwm17
Nov 2013
#68
"So we must assume that it was TM that came back to confront GZ." No we don't.
Tommy_Carcetti
Nov 2013
#72
If the same facts had been presented in that case as this one, my opinion would have been unchanged.
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#44
Zimmerman is a scumbag. But I didn't think then that there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#49
Many Gungeoneers supported him. I think it was because they could see themselves in Zman's shoes.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#94
You just said it happened. If in fact they were banned, they are probably back under another name.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#122
Did you support Zman? If so, that is essentially what you and your gun fancier buddies were saying.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#167
Can YOU link to the QUOTE you posted? If not, you admit you FABRICATED it.
cleanhippie
Nov 2013
#169
I did not fabricate anything. I posted my interpretation of Zman supporters' reason for excusing Z's
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#170
I quoted the essence of what Zman supporters were saying. Your turn -- Did you support Zman?
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#174
First, my posts here are not formal papers. Second quotation marks were used to express gun fanciers
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#179
Derived from the support expressed by Gungeoneers right here on DU, you included.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#181
You do recall correctly. That about sums it up. But the poster above cares little for facts.
cleanhippie
Nov 2013
#183
Correct, Zman's prejudices and fears shouldn't have caused him to grab his gun and stalk/bully TM.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#125
You will never get gun trolls to admit to wrongness, they would watch the sun explode first.
Rex
Nov 2013
#142
Good luck, there's at least one big one who is being very quiet this week and they are still active.
Starry Messenger
Nov 2013
#153