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Orrex

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112. Ah, thanks!

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 01:51 PM

Nov 2013

Good analysis.

I saw very little of the trial while it was ongoing, though I read about it daily. Didn't catch the instructor's testimony in that regard.

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During the Zimmerman trial, we have had DUers argue for his acquittal, which, of course, happened... [View all] MrScorpio Nov 2013 OP

What's changed? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #1

He was a dangerous scumbag, then, who deserved to thrown in jail and left there... MrScorpio Nov 2013 #3

Exactly. FourScore Nov 2013 #67

Excellent points, all MrScorpio Nov 2013 #108

I noticed also tblue Nov 2013 #118

And let's not forget his other scumbaggery - molesting his cousin. nt Stardust Nov 2013 #146

Yes, excellent wrapup, FourScore.. Cha Nov 2013 #162

We have more evidence of poor judgement and violent tendencies on Zimmerman's part. yardwork Nov 2013 #4

That's exactly my point MrScorpio Nov 2013 #7

While it was not allowed to be introduced during the avebury Nov 2013 #46

One clarification, please Orrex Nov 2013 #106

He was majoring in criminal justice and one of his avebury Nov 2013 #110

Ah, thanks! Orrex Nov 2013 #112

The instructor's testimony shot a canon shot thru GZ's avebury Nov 2013 #123

The prosecution also did a poor job putting the pieces together, imo. yardwork Nov 2013 #148

Agreed. I think that they easily could have avebury Nov 2013 #151

I know. I'm not surprised by anything that has happened since the trial. yardwork Nov 2013 #147

Nothing aside from yet another violent act from him Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #5

He has proven to most that he really is a scumbag, violent, bigot steeped in guns. Hoyt Nov 2013 #20

What's changed is that it took him terrorizing non-blacks to get some people to Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #48

+1 treestar Nov 2013 #100

We can only imagine how Trayvon's Cha Nov 2013 #163

Surely the precogs should have seen this coming! kiawah Nov 2013 #117

Proof that his intentions are murderous? Rex Nov 2013 #137

nothing from the events of Feb. 2012 hfojvt Nov 2013 #157

I said it at the time...murder one. His phone call in this incident should msanthrope Nov 2013 #2

I felt the same way but I think that the OP is asking yardwork Nov 2013 #6

+1 JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #28

There's someone I'm waiting for as well MrScorpio Nov 2013 #30

My JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #45

I just want to let you know that the one that I was waiting for showed up. MrScorpio Nov 2013 #187

Found her JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #192

Yes Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #8

Would you care to elaborate? nt MrScorpio Nov 2013 #12

It was never a question of acquittal being deserved or not. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #13

I'll ask you simply... MrScorpio Nov 2013 #14

No, I never believed his story fully Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #18

Let me get this straight... MrScorpio Nov 2013 #22

He was not charged with culpability? Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #33

"This was a situation where both parties acted wrongly" MrScorpio Nov 2013 #36

No Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #38

That's because my POV is predicated on the firm belief that Martin was an innocent victim... MrScorpio Nov 2013 #59

Understood Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #75

Thank you for your spirited defense of Zimmerman MrScorpio Nov 2013 #99

I have never spoken ill of the dead Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #109

I imagine many people get frustrated when they are forced to construct their own martyrdom LanternWaste Nov 2013 #115

Nailed it Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #119

Beautifully articulated, Mr. Scorpio! n/t FourScore Nov 2013 #90

If I remember correctly, there were lesser charge choices... Little Star Nov 2013 #66

Only on the killing of a human being Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #77

the jury FORGOT that he could have been found guilty of manslaughter.... bettyellen Nov 2013 #84

Yeah, that's it Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #85

The flaw in this argument IS the "self-defense" claim, which appears now more vapid than ever. FourScore Nov 2013 #88

For most part I agree with you. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #97

Actually It Was Known erpowers Nov 2013 #131

I'm not totally on board with your thinking Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #134

If You Believe Zimmerman erpowers Nov 2013 #139

To my point Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #143

Stand Your Ground erpowers Nov 2013 #121

Fair point. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #124

I've seen no evidence that Trayvon acted wrongly. I think he was shot in cold blood. yardwork Nov 2013 #150

Well, it's available to be seen. Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #154

Maybe the cops should have investigated the shooting properly from the start... Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #149

I don't think he deserved his acquital. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #9

There was never any doubt on my part, for which Zimmerman should have been given Aristus Nov 2013 #10

I always considered Zimmerman culpable. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #11

I agree quinnox Nov 2013 #16

You are in error. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #21

Maybe Martin didn't want to let the whack job with a gun know where his family lived. Hoyt Nov 2013 #26

Thank you. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #27

Its bunk. kcr Nov 2013 #31

You are welcome to try and debunk it. The transcripts and recording of the 911 call are readily... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #34

Yes, they're readily availble. And do not confirm what you claim they do. kcr Nov 2013 #43

He had already run from the location of his car by the time the dispatcher told him he didn't need.. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #47

He obviously didn't go back to his car. kcr Nov 2013 #55

Like I said, he did indeed chase Martin for a short distance. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #60

No, he didn't merely give his location kcr Nov 2013 #63

You're right, my mistake eqfan592 Nov 2013 #74

And that it no way indicates that Martin deliberately double backed to attack him kcr Nov 2013 #86

Gee. Why do so many people disagree STILL disagree with all your wrong facts? kcr Nov 2013 #29

Because a lot of people want to think he's guilty. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #42

Lookit all the arrows! kcr Nov 2013 #51

The arrows are there because those are locations mentioned by Zimmerman in the 911 recording. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #54

And you obviously didn't comprehend my reply kcr Nov 2013 #56

Feel free to be as obtuse as you like. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #61

Oh, I know kcr Nov 2013 #65

Don't forget the 911 call, eye witness reports, etc, etc. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #71

What about them? kcr Nov 2013 #80

Fact is, Zman started the incident, grabbed his gun, took off after unarmed kid who was shot. Hoyt Nov 2013 #83

Distances and timing make it as likely Zimmerman followed as not csziggy Nov 2013 #132

As opposed to those that are convinced he is innocent. Rex Nov 2013 #195

Actually, Zimmerman told the Dispatcher to have the police call avebury Nov 2013 #57

"He clearly doubled back at some point to confront Zimmerman." Bullshit. Pure and utter bullshit. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #58

Call bullshit all you like. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #70

Far too many questions of the moron variety kcr Nov 2013 #73

Yeah, calling me a moron is the line. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #76

No, the question is moronic. kcr Nov 2013 #81

First degree versus Second Degree murder. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #79

That's a fair argument there. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #82

Really? "the fact that Zimmerman stopped his pursuit" csziggy Nov 2013 #133

Martin didn't go directly home because he was afraid of Zimmerman following him home, FourScore Nov 2013 #91

But did that require a confrontation? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #96

Zman initiated it when he grabbed his gun and took off after the unarmed kid for no reason. Hoyt Nov 2013 #104

Zimmerman DID continue to pursue, he said so in the video... on it's face your premise is wrong uponit7771 Nov 2013 #95

You can hear him stop running on the call. If he was pursuing it wasn't at a run, that's for sure. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #101

that doesn't mean he didn't pursue him after he was told not to... in the video explanation he uponit7771 Nov 2013 #107

You can hear him stop running on the call? Got a link to that? Rex Nov 2013 #140

Just Because He Stopped Running erpowers Nov 2013 #136

Wow so many factual errors in your post. Rex Nov 2013 #138

B.S. With all due respect. /nt yardwork Nov 2013 #152

I read something at the time that hit me hard, What if zimmy had DiverDave Nov 2013 #15

+1. Well put. Hoyt Nov 2013 #23

+1, I saw that... Z didn't ask anything. uponit7771 Nov 2013 #98

I had a similar thought. What if, Soundman Nov 2013 #111

Exactly. While on the phone with Sanford PD Zimmerman could have said something csziggy Nov 2013 #135

Yes, there was no choice but to acquit on the facts given. cheyanne Nov 2013 #17

DO you think that he got away with murder? MrScorpio Nov 2013 #25

hopefully there will be sufficient evidence this time Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #39

I'm not hopeful of that JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #89

He may be a bad actor with plenty of problems, cheyanne Nov 2013 #114

Well you are wrong, he murdered a boy walking home in cold blood. Rex Nov 2013 #141

Oddly enough, the criminal justice system disagrees with you. nt Llewlladdwr Nov 2013 #161

Not really, a handful of jurors disagree with me. Please don't Rex Nov 2013 #194

I thought Zimmerman was going to be acquitted FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #19

Zimmerman was and is guilty of murder....I bet he thanks the NRA regularly Tippy Nov 2013 #24

Based on the evidence, no I don't believe Zimmerman was guilty of murder. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #32

You the only other person that I've seen on DU, besides me, state that it was cpwm17 Nov 2013 #50

Not a popular opinion to hold. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #52

Since DU is a major source of mine of what's going on in the world (well DU is the best site) cpwm17 Nov 2013 #68

Couldn't agree more. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #78

I thought that the prosecution overreached for the reasons you listed... Kaleva Nov 2013 #35

Manslaughter was a lesser included charge Gothmog Nov 2013 #155

IMO Mr Dixon Nov 2013 #37

I'll be brave and state my opinion as I have recently cpwm17 Nov 2013 #40

"So we must assume that it was TM that came back to confront GZ." No we don't. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #72

It is entirely plausible that since TM didn't like being followed cpwm17 Nov 2013 #127

There's only evidence of a physical altercation between the two. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #145

That is exactly what can happen Rilgin Nov 2013 #128

Indulging you for a minute.... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #144

no. totally unknown to each other Rilgin Nov 2013 #159

That doesn't sound anything like the Martin case. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #160

Hard to question your assumptions Rilgin Nov 2013 #184

The posts in this thread are making me just as ill gollygee Nov 2013 #41

If the same facts had been presented in that case as this one, my opinion would have been unchanged. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #44

Not if the white teenage "kid" assaulted the black man cpwm17 Nov 2013 #53

Zimmerman is a scumbag. But I didn't think then that there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #49

The law is a very technical thing MissMillie Nov 2013 #62

I hated him from the first time I set eyes on him. Whisp Nov 2013 #64

there is lots of racism JI7 Nov 2013 #69

Do you have examples? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #87

Look up thread JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #93

Many Gungeoneers supported him. I think it was because they could see themselves in Zman's shoes. Hoyt Nov 2013 #94

I don't recall any such statements... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #120

You just said it happened. If in fact they were banned, they are probably back under another name. Hoyt Nov 2013 #122

So you are unable to link to a QUOTE that you just posted? cleanhippie Nov 2013 #166

Did you support Zman? If so, that is essentially what you and your gun fancier buddies were saying. Hoyt Nov 2013 #167

Can YOU link to the QUOTE you posted? If not, you admit you FABRICATED it. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #169

I did not fabricate anything. I posted my interpretation of Zman supporters' reason for excusing Z's Hoyt Nov 2013 #170

You posted a QUOTE that doesn't exist. You FABRICATED A QUOTE. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #171

I quoted the essence of what Zman supporters were saying. Your turn -- Did you support Zman? Hoyt Nov 2013 #174

YOU POSTED A QUOTE THAT DOESN'T EXIST. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #175

First, my posts here are not formal papers. Second quotation marks were used to express gun fanciers Hoyt Nov 2013 #179

YOU POSTED A QUOTE THAT YOU FABRICATED FROM THIN AIR. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #180

Derived from the support expressed by Gungeoneers right here on DU, you included. Hoyt Nov 2013 #181

YOU POSTED A QUOTE THAT YOU MADE UP. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #182

That's because those statements and the QUOTE do not exist. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #172

IIRC.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #177

You do recall correctly. That about sums it up. But the poster above cares little for facts. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #183

Considering the facts as presented lancer78 Nov 2013 #92

I agree with you 100% .... Myrina Nov 2013 #102

Sorry. I'm not a fan of Minority Report justice. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #103

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #105

Trials are based on the facts in evidence... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #113

Correct, Zman's prejudices and fears shouldn't have caused him to grab his gun and stalk/bully TM. Hoyt Nov 2013 #125

Zimmerman is and was a POS liar abelenkpe Nov 2013 #116

Come on Zimmy fans, stand your ground!! Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #126

at the very very very very least DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #129

The law is the law davidn3600 Nov 2013 #130

You will never get gun trolls to admit to wrongness, they would watch the sun explode first. Rex Nov 2013 #142

Good luck, there's at least one big one who is being very quiet this week and they are still active. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #153

I'm waiting for him to pop up too JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #176

Still crickets. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #185

Upthread JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #190

I thought that the prosecution did a poor job but that does not mean that I approved of verdict Gothmog Nov 2013 #156

A lot of them were trolls KamaAina Nov 2013 #158

Bingo B Calm Nov 2013 #191

Ask again without emotion. flvegan Nov 2013 #164

I don't think that really what the OP was asking. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #165

The question should be amended Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #168

Under the laws clearly written by a dipshit gunfucker bobclark86 Nov 2013 #173

So juries are to convict because of what one MIGHT do in the future? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #178

KnR, Mr Scorpio, KnR Hekate Nov 2013 #186

He should have been in jail for instigating the confrontation krispos42 Nov 2013 #188

He is a gun bully. 99Forever Nov 2013 #189

He's a bully period - gun or not. TBF Nov 2013 #193

Gun bullies are a breed unto themselves. 99Forever Nov 2013 #196

Maybe so - and it seems like there are many of them TBF Nov 2013 #197

Without doubt there were too many her supporting that murdering scum etherealtruth Nov 2013 #198

If I didn't want to hear from you, I would have blocked you... MrScorpio Nov 2013 #199

You asked to hear from those that supported Z ... I didn't etherealtruth Nov 2013 #200

It's a free board MrScorpio Nov 2013 #201

From what I saw of the trial I was not convinced that that prosecution proved that ... spin Nov 2013 #202