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721. Consensual rape fantasy/play is not actual rape.

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 02:43 PM

Nov 2013

That is why it is called sexual *fantasy.*

Human imagination is rich in its complexity and, yes, darkness plays a role in that. There is a rich research on this and a thriving culture of people who enjoy this sort of sexual play and are not in any way connected to actual rape, so your demands are actually quite silly.

I won't engage further on this, as I have heard all the arguments many times before, and they simply don't address the reality of the complexity of the human psyche.

I am much, much more concerned about the rise of authoritarian governments across the West than the possibility that consenting adults may film some dark sexual play and share it. Governments have NO BUSINESS trying to criminalize the consensual sexual behavior of adults.

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�Rape porn� possession to be punished by three years in jail, David Cameron to announce [View all] The Straight Story Nov 2013 OP

I wonder if this really solves the core problem or just band-aids it ... what drives RKP5637 Nov 2013 #1

It drives consensual sexual activity underground. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #60

Are you seriously conflating rape simulation with gay sex? Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #266

Are you seriously saying that adults JackRiddler Nov 2013 #278

Did I say rape pornography should be illegal? No. Try responding to what I actually wrote next time. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #286

I absolutely comprende, but you're missing the point... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #291

No, the absurdity is inherent in the conflation of rape pornography, which justifies sexual violence Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #298

Okay, enough. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #335

Please explain your assertion. chervilant Nov 2013 #395

Consensual rape? n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #613

it band aids it gopiscrap Nov 2013 #474

is 'A Clockwork Orange' going to be banned? Garion_55 Nov 2013 #2

I guess owning Deliverance will be a felony... NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #3

Smacks? This is censorship... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #287

I agree. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #503

Nothing more disgusting? How about raping a woman Tumbulu Nov 2013 #528

once again there is the words consendual, simulated and depiction loli phabay Nov 2013 #617

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #768

Tougher question: "I Spit On Your Grave" AngryAmish Nov 2013 #6

That was my thought. What about movies that depict murder? Is it a crime to depict it in a movie? lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #210

In a Snuff film ? YES, as it should be. orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #465

You know I am talking about Hollywood movies with actors, not actual murders lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #489

And You know we're not talking about ' Freedom of Speech ' or censorship of Art, orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #606

Perhaps I missed it, but I did not see in the article anything to distinguish a BBC lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #649

The theme and plot ? orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #776

Clockwork Orange is one of my favorite movies ever. NealK Nov 2013 #239

A Classic I've owned forever . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #464

A (relatively) modern masterpiece of a film. Bill Lermer Nov 2013 #500

I could never make it through that movie, but I don't think it should be banned just because I found liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #563

" Some viewers " ? Straw Dogs is also a great movie... orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #810

Part of the plot, not the entire content of the movie . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #462

This is a slippery slope...what about BDSM or other? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #4

Exactly. This is censorship and repression of free speech. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #10

BDSM porn is almost required to be simulated rape. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #62

true, its submission and domination and about power. loli phabay Nov 2013 #68

Next thing they'll be actually prosecuting rapists BainsBane Nov 2013 #89

you do know rape and consensual rape depictions are two different things loli phabay Nov 2013 #98

Look up rape in the dictionary BainsBane Nov 2013 #100

Yes, but this proposed law even covers "simulated" rape.. Upton Nov 2013 #106

look up consensual and depiction and simulated while you are there loli phabay Nov 2013 #107

Are we talking about rape porn or not? BainsBane Nov 2013 #111

See #35 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #116

See what I've written BainsBane Nov 2013 #119

Yes I've have. You have my sympathy. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #122

So in other words BainsBane Nov 2013 #129

Not at all, you cant make differentiation between real and simulated so Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #133

its word blindness loli phabay Nov 2013 #135

True that, and someone doesn't get out much Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #136

I recall quite distinctly BainsBane Nov 2013 #387

Likely because I was in a serious car accident Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #437

No, it had to do with your perceptions of your ability BainsBane Nov 2013 #439

Awww so sweet, really grasping to try and put a knife to me Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #444

You're welcome BainsBane Nov 2013 #450

Zing! Its the kind of biting commentary one can expect from you Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #451

Consider yourself flattered BainsBane Nov 2013 #461

Oooh another Zinger! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #466

No, it wasn't an attempted zinger BainsBane Nov 2013 #468

Snicker, I understand quite well what it is. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #469

Would that be like truth blindness? BainsBane Nov 2013 #186

pot, kettle and all that. loli phabay Nov 2013 #247

right BainsBane Nov 2013 #250

Are you into self-diagnosis now? EOTE Nov 2013 #727

You're not even bothering to read what I write BainsBane Nov 2013 #731

The problem is that I AM reading what you write. EOTE Nov 2013 #732

Obviously not BainsBane Nov 2013 #740

Oh really, you didn't express gems like this one dozens of times? EOTE Nov 2013 #766

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #769

Here is the point BainsBane Nov 2013 #140

Wow...seriously, you believe that? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #142

It is a fact BainsBane Nov 2013 #160

Priceless, you can't even comprehend there are two separate elements we are talking about... Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #161

You really took time to read those links BainsBane Nov 2013 #162

Again, you simply don't or won't get what is being said. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #163

Your post has nothing to do with the subject BainsBane Nov 2013 #166

You still don't bother to address your own words. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #168

Which words? BainsBane Nov 2013 #170

I leave the "knack of posting a lot while saying nothing" to you. Youve said nothing as usual that Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #175

As I said, there is a body of academic literature BainsBane Nov 2013 #179

Wow...seriously, you believe that? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #144

So this must be simulated too I guess: The headlines are shouting RAPE IN DECLINE Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #149

All violent crimes are in decline BainsBane Nov 2013 #164

hahah..."misogynist porn" Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #165

Are you suggesting that rape and mutilation are not misogynist? BainsBane Nov 2013 #174

I am suggesting you are a master of placing things out of context. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #176

Out of context? BainsBane Nov 2013 #180

Maybe if you bothered to read your own posts for once... Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #185

I know what I've written BainsBane Nov 2013 #190

Obviously you dont understand what you've written very well. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #191

So Obe wan, tell me what have I written? BainsBane Nov 2013 #193

I've said it repeatedly. If you dont get it. Thats on you Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #195

LOL BainsBane Nov 2013 #197

I accept your surrender. BainsBane Nov 2013 #199

Woot !! Youve such a brilliant, searing intellect! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #209

Not briliant BainsBane Nov 2013 #218

I did? Gosh thanks for telling me so. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #220

It's unfortunate that you couldn't be bothered BainsBane Nov 2013 #225

Sounds like your Modus Operandi actually. Besides what does it matter, you won remember? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #227

Actually, winning doesn't much matter to me BainsBane Nov 2013 #238

Correction, nothing much to say to you. I mean seriously you even didnt get the initial argument Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #244

Wow, you've made an internet poster give up on attempting to educate you in the slightest out of EOTE Nov 2013 #729

Look in the mirror BainsBane Nov 2013 #733

Uhhh, you still manage to entirely miss the point. EOTE Nov 2013 #734

I ask one very simple question and you now know how I think? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #206

Lets see who jumped in....? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #212

That would be me. Why? Aren't I allowed to do that? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #213

Gosh you didn't bother to read my response posts earlier did you. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #216

You mean you went back and edited a post and answered the question? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #221

Snicker, No the post is there. again if you resort to simply saying untruths thats your issue Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #223

Y'know, the civil and normal reaction would have been to just answer someone's question... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #230

You obviously are blind to the tone of your own posts. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #234

Lord, you're rude to everyone with a YY chromosone BainsBane Nov 2013 #498

Wow what an undercurrent of issues....! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #504

Evidently he feels compelled to avoid the subject matter at all costs BainsBane Nov 2013 #226

Good. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #182

Apparently it's the business of the government of the UK BainsBane Nov 2013 #183

"Rape porn increases rape." Do you have a citation for that? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #274

yes BainsBane Nov 2013 #279

What cultural and demographic influences do you credit for the 80% drop in rape victimization? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #509

I read that 1 in 5 women are raped in the country. That is still a very high number. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #510

So, you are a rape porn defender ? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #531

I assume this post is being sarcastic? EOTE Nov 2013 #730

I've got a question for you. Do you think clips of actual rapes should be banned? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #181

So a movie like "Last House of the Left" where you have rape scenes and such, gets defined by you Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #184

Do you want to answer the question you got asked? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #187

I have to wonder why you won't answer my question... Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #188

Because you didn't answer the simple question I asked you... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #189

I'm not interested in anything but hearing an answer to the very self-same question you present Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #194

Well, seeing yr refusing to say whether you want real rape clips banned or not... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #196

Your one to talk about control-freaky behavior. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #204

I only talk about it when it's warranted... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #233

Dear god finally. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #236

So is everyone too stupid for you to respond substantively to? BainsBane Nov 2013 #242

Gosh an attempt to make this some sort of misogynistic issue. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #246

Obviously Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #610

Do you think clips of actual murders should be banned? EOTE Nov 2013 #198

Snuff porn is already illegal BainsBane Nov 2013 #200

Of course it is. So is, I believe, video depicting actual rapes. EOTE Nov 2013 #207

Actually no BainsBane Nov 2013 #214

This is really very simple. EOTE Nov 2013 #229

You aren't dealing with common sense BainsBane Nov 2013 #235

Actually, people DO dispute those charges. EOTE Nov 2013 #243

Yes, people are falsely prosecuted BainsBane Nov 2013 #248

if it makes you happy you can see the same happening to men loli phabay Nov 2013 #249

I don't like BainsBane Nov 2013 #251

Apparently not so in the UK when it comes to clips of real rapes... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #217

So, make it illegal to possess video of REAL rapes. EOTE Nov 2013 #222

What is it with people who ignore questions and come up with bizarre questions? n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #201

I'm just attempting to decipher your very bizarre question. EOTE Nov 2013 #205

It was very simple. Only one person refuses to say that they think real rape should be banned... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #211

Sure, governments do such a great job with regard to censorship. EOTE Nov 2013 #219

But the Scots have the same law and it appears to be working fine.. Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #224

Just because some law somewhere isn't currently being abused, that doesn't extrapolate to much of EOTE Nov 2013 #232

Not being an American, I'm not an absolutist when it comes to censorship... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #240

This is about possession of material that it is already illegal to publish muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #252

And you're an actual Brit, right? BainsBane Nov 2013 #414

Well, I think there is one other who currently lives in the UK muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #427

It's a relief to see they've unshackled you long enough BainsBane Nov 2013 #445

Who was the person that refused? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #356

I can make a movie depicting anything does not mean I did it loli phabay Nov 2013 #118

And people have a real weird conception of what "consent" involves. duffyduff Nov 2013 #513

I couldn't agree more. BainsBane Nov 2013 #525

rape is never consensual JI7 Nov 2013 #148

simulated rape porn is, get the word simulated loli phabay Nov 2013 #152

Spell it slowly maybe Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #156

If I may step in here..I think the term might be "Simulated assault Scene" with emphasis on the word BlueJazz Nov 2013 #169

good point, well made loli phabay Nov 2013 #172

Is simulated Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #612

its much the same as any sexual act, there are some people who enjoy it loli phabay Nov 2013 #616

I guess my issue Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #622

i agree that there are some real sickos, its the same with horror movies. loli phabay Nov 2013 #623

you are not jacking off to horror films create an euphoric reaction thru the chemicals in your brain seabeyond Nov 2013 #627

some people do, same as violent movies, and some are sick loli phabay Nov 2013 #662

bullshit. horror films are not created with the absolute intent to get a person off, firstly. seabeyond Nov 2013 #664

on this i agree, its all about slamming the real stuff loli phabay Nov 2013 #665

in any fatnasy, the people have total control of that fantasy. it is not rape. it is wrong to seabeyond Nov 2013 #667

yup its fantasy, i think thats the point i have been making loli phabay Nov 2013 #672

what is put on screen is not the same as what we fantasize about. that would be the point. seabeyond Nov 2013 #684

on this we agree, the line is blurred. loli phabay Nov 2013 #690

we went from fantasized rape that isnt rape can be fun, to rape is fun. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #691

i think when discussing stuff like this its important to draw distinct lines loli phabay Nov 2013 #693

Slope? This is already slipped and landed. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #284

Goodbye Game of Thrones LittleBlue Nov 2013 #5

Correct, except... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #285

Ridiculous. There must be people here who remember the "Sopranos" episode where Melfi got raped. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #7

it does say something with how much graphic rape we have in our shows to entertain us, right? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #8

Well, I'm not sure "entertain" is the correct word in this case. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #15

entertain is exactly the word. actual girls, raped and put on the net to entertain the boys. ya... seabeyond Nov 2013 #17

I respectfully disagree with your characterization of some of the posts. Quantess Nov 2013 #59

Or, at best, the series' writers', producers' and chervilant Nov 2013 #809

hey there, i would say that like violence on tv etc, it shows that we all have a dark side loli phabay Nov 2013 #16

right. that would be why we have so much of the real thing put on the net for entertainment. but, seabeyond Nov 2013 #18

i agree with the issue over the real thing, thats when prosecution should be hard loli phabay Nov 2013 #19

wrong. it feeds the appetite. it sexualizes and exploits. they are at the point of sexualizing seabeyond Nov 2013 #21

the fetish side of it is already out there, with every other fetish from the wierd to the sick loli phabay Nov 2013 #23

After conflating BDSM/fetish play with real rape, backscatter712 Nov 2013 #35

thats the problem with stuff like this, its hard to differentiate sometimes loli phabay Nov 2013 #40

Banana! n/t backscatter712 Nov 2013 #41

lol. all i can think to that is, have a banana (chas and dave) loli phabay Nov 2013 #43

Let me make my point. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #49

yup i know, but all i could think of was the song, penguin penguin loli phabay Nov 2013 #50

Another good safeword! backscatter712 Nov 2013 #52

that and Constantinople are the two best i have heard loli phabay Nov 2013 #57

I get your point, and haven't you heard of men get turned on by being tied up, demeaned whathehell Nov 2013 #257

love is not what its about, its about fun and fulfilling fantasies loli phabay Nov 2013 #268

Not for for you, perhaps, but for many others, having sex is different than 'going to the movies" whathehell Nov 2013 #297

opinions are something we all have and your entitled to yours. loli phabay Nov 2013 #310

If that's all you've got.. whathehell Nov 2013 #317

no problem, no point arguing if we wont change each others minds, civility wins loli phabay Nov 2013 #323

True enough...n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #326

Nah.. whathehell Nov 2013 #263

not really, it was not that long ago people were accusing pedo priests etc of being a gay problem loli phabay Nov 2013 #272

This message was self-deleted by its author backscatter712 Nov 2013 #38

"The mere tendency of speech to encourage unlawful acts is not a sufficient reason for banning it.." davidn3600 Nov 2013 #77

Case in point. The massive increase in rapes since the release of the film "Deliverance". EOTE Nov 2013 #202

Are people really not understanding what rape porn is? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #42

why dont you just tell us what it is loli phabay Nov 2013 #44

Here's a clue: The Sopranos, Clockwork Orange, Deliverance, I Spit on Your Grave aren't muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #69

confused me there, sorry i think i must be reading your post wrong loli phabay Nov 2013 #70

Only in America would people think Game of Thrones and Clockwork Orange is porn... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #146

Of course, because the denizens of Oz are so BRILLIANT as to never make that mistake, right? whathehell Nov 2013 #314

What the hell?? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #339

Crumble?? whathehell Nov 2013 #378

If you have me on ignore, why make out all my posts are bigoted? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #388

I believe I used the word "had" and I didn't say ALL your posts are bigoted, lol whathehell Nov 2013 #410

You definitely implied it... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #420

No, you just inferred it whathehell Nov 2013 #452

'Is there ANY thread in which you can't find some small excuse to vent your anti-American Bigotry?' Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #457

No understanding of nuance (them, not you). Seems evidence of a childlike psychology. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #320

Watch out. You'll be labelled an anti-American bigot as well if yr not careful n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #341

It's okay, I am an American. So I have a measure of immunity, I suppose. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #343

Bullshit...Speak to her of Australians "in general"..She doesn't even KNOW any Americans, whathehell Nov 2013 #346

Just observations of my own countrymen/women. Having lived my whole life in this country. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #353

i think its more of a case of i am right and evryone else is wrong loli phabay Nov 2013 #374

Having lived your whole life in this country, your ability to "compare and contrast" whathehell Nov 2013 #386

Of course not. But I was responding specifically to Violet's post. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #390

I understand.. whathehell Nov 2013 #393

Okay, time for you to produce these MANY anti-American posts... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #428

Crumple, you don't call "time" on me, okay? whathehell Nov 2013 #438

Figured you wouldn't come up with anything to back you up... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #442

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! whathehell Nov 2013 #463

Okay, seeing you keep on saying yr leaving and don't, I'll pull the plug now... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #473

Great idea, Vi...best yet! whathehell Nov 2013 #631

Excuse me? You have no idea where I've been or haven't been... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #426

Sorry, but that's just not true...I even gave you "tips" on where to go when you were whathehell Nov 2013 #441

No, you have no fucking idea... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #446

Yes, I do have some "fucking idea", lol, unless, of course, whathehell Nov 2013 #456

No, you don't. Yr not someone I'd want to know all about me... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #460

Oh My Gawd -- Are you just finding out that this board is public to all its members? whathehell Nov 2013 #471

Yr doing that not reading what's said to you stuff again... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #475

What is it with this "yr"?...You're not on Twitter, so perhaps you could spell it out in full, lol? whathehell Nov 2013 #629

Nobody's defending real rape. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #56

this seems to be the point being missed. loli phabay Nov 2013 #258

It sure looks to me as though people on DU Tumbulu Nov 2013 #537

no, differentiating between real rape and simulated rape is your first step, much like real murder loli phabay Nov 2013 #621

Thank you...You are correct. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #259

This is a really disappointing thread Tumbulu Nov 2013 #534

yes. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #541

Well, what else are female characters good for in "gritty" entertainment? Scootaloo Nov 2013 #78

was that meant to be porn ? didn't watch the show but i'm guessing it was shown as rape JI7 Nov 2013 #151

Fucking Nazi-esque. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #9

this, what will be next consensual sexual act that will be on the list loli phabay Nov 2013 #13

Rape is a consensual act? BainsBane Nov 2013 #86

simulated rape in porn is consensual hence safe words loli phabay Nov 2013 #97

Wait, now you can enlighten me BainsBane Nov 2013 #347

okay just this once i will skeeze myself out and answer loli phabay Nov 2013 #362

If that safe word is explicit in the porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #370

once again the word sim ulated is in there, you know depiction. loli phabay Nov 2013 #372

You aren't being clear BainsBane Nov 2013 #376

there are ways of telling, thats why the cops get sent video if sometjing is not right loli phabay Nov 2013 #385

Okay BainsBane Nov 2013 #409

you have to get away from thinking porn is from companies loli phabay Nov 2013 #411

Then it seems such responsible consumption BainsBane Nov 2013 #413

not sure what you mean by this, i will elaborate a bit loli phabay Nov 2013 #421

TMI BainsBane Nov 2013 #440

no such thing as to much info if you want to make informed decisions on something loli phabay Nov 2013 #443

No, I mean I don't need to hear about your private BainsBane Nov 2013 #448

oh your not trust me, this is just simple info on the new faces of porn that are out there loli phabay Nov 2013 #449

My memory seems to be better than yours BainsBane Nov 2013 #453

lol i dont recall looking for or needing your approval of my prowess loli phabay Nov 2013 #454

No, I don't recall your needing my approval either BainsBane Nov 2013 #494

well you can always hide thread or ignore, thats options for you loli phabay Nov 2013 #506

+100000 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #571

No skin off my nose BainsBane Nov 2013 #577

You either feign ignorance or just flat out act obtuse as all hell. EOTE Nov 2013 #670

How do people prevent themselves from being killed in horror movies? EOTE Nov 2013 #666

How much human trafficking Is involved in Hollywood productions? BainsBane Nov 2013 #668

I don't know. 15? 20? I'm sure you know or else you wouldn't have asked, so tell me. EOTE Nov 2013 #671

wow. the total dismissal and irrelevance sex trafficking has on you. abusing women. meh? so? seabeyond Nov 2013 #680

Last I checked, sex trafficking affected both genders. EOTE Nov 2013 #681

yes. women and children, the vulnerable in our society. gets a meh. seabeyond Nov 2013 #682

Only in your silly mind does it get a 'meh'. EOTE Nov 2013 #685

and your reply. but, wtf, right? seabeyond Nov 2013 #686

Is that a haiku or something? EOTE Nov 2013 #687

3-3 to leave this post Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #697

And I alerted on Juror #2. JTFrog Nov 2013 #698

Sanity rules. nt EOTE Nov 2013 #699

More like mob rules. n/t JTFrog Nov 2013 #700

Sorry you didn't get your way. EOTE Nov 2013 #701

Sorry you don't have a clue how to have a civil discussion. JTFrog Nov 2013 #702

Says the one accusing others of mob mentality and being a jerk and an embarrassment. EOTE Nov 2013 #703

Says the one that has a string of personal attacks JTFrog Nov 2013 #705

So "Nuh uh, you are!" is the best you can do now? EOTE Nov 2013 #706

Are you intentionally misunderstanding the obvious? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #344

So you are saying British law makes no distinction between art and pornography? BainsBane Nov 2013 #352

Making this "distinction"... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #358

Courts make that distinction between art and pornography all the time BainsBane Nov 2013 #368

And you are satisfied with a police state. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #377

It's not a new category. Child porn is already illegal. BainsBane Nov 2013 #394

A dangerous prevarication. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #447

Wrong again BainsBane Nov 2013 #483

Disgusting? smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #775

One Brit living under the police state clarifies the law here BainsBane Nov 2013 #415

This law is going to be argued in the courts by lawyers... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #696

+1000000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #477

One of the most common "sexual fantasies" chervilant Nov 2013 #708

Consensual rape fantasy/play is not actual rape. woo me with science Nov 2013 #721

You are entitled to your opinions chervilant Nov 2013 #767

Oh honestly, three years is not enough Tumbulu Nov 2013 #516

Disturbing in this thread how many at once thinks about fictional images of rape KitSileya Nov 2013 #11

there is a big difference between actual rape videos and pics and there being a victim loli phabay Nov 2013 #14

That's because the proposed law applies to fictional images of rape as well as real ones. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #24

We can see you don't understand it, because you brought up The Sopranos muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #73

I was going by the OP, which said "images of rape, whether simulated or not". Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #93

it says "It is against the law to publish images of rape but a legal loophole ... muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #102

So how do you define, in the law, what is legal and what is not? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #109

Exactly! LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #158

Nobody is arguing against banning real sexual assault. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #39

You've nailed it...Thank you. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #261

Thank you. KitSileya Nov 2013 #651

Yes. "Many on this thread are more worried about their titillation than the fabric of our culture" whathehell Nov 2013 #726

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #774

Yes, very well stated Tumbulu Nov 2013 #551

Thank you. KitSileya Nov 2013 #660

AND, where 54% of male college students surveyed, chervilant Nov 2013 #709

More censorship for our own own good.. Upton Nov 2013 #12

If it's simulated and between two consenting adults, why should it matter? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #20

because it infects the imaginations of people Tumbulu Nov 2013 #548

People say the same thing about violent video games. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #549

so why is child porn outlawed then? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #554

Because... children aren't capable of consent. Adults are. opiate69 Nov 2013 #558

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #562

This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Nov 2013 #567

Stupid question. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #580

big difference between the two. seabeyond Nov 2013 #557

I was wondering when you would reply. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #578

on film? how do you know? how do you know it is simulated and not actual rape? seabeyond Nov 2013 #581

Oh good god. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #583

ya. one was brought onto du from fb. from teh minute she was picked up off the street to taken out seabeyond Nov 2013 #585

I was talking about the simulated stuff b/w consenting adults. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #586

they are using kidnapped women and children to make the rape porn. they can easily put the little seabeyond Nov 2013 #589

I'm pretty sure that stuff isn't sold in adult stores. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #601

did i say ALL... ok. so you have a section of rape porn you are pretty sure, not positive, but seabeyond Nov 2013 #626

Yeah, right, chervilant Nov 2013 #710

Well aren't you delightful. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #711

Yes, I am. chervilant Nov 2013 #716

Looks like you have trouble understanding my point as well. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #718

Do you regularly view rape porn? chervilant Nov 2013 #742

It's hard to answer your questions respectfully... Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #743

Now, see, chervilant Nov 2013 #744

This message was self-deleted by its author Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #745

When you can't tell "simulated" sexual violence from the real thing, you get laws nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #587

Are you against murder in movies? Democat Nov 2013 #619

It can desensitize some people to violence against women. Edited to include it not I. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #561

I have no problem with banning actual rape porn. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #22

probuably safest thing is to record the whole thing with consent taped at the start and parameters loli phabay Nov 2013 #25

Allow me to clarify--any porn revolving around using geek tragedy Nov 2013 #26

no problem, but its both male and female who have the fetish and its not really about the rape loli phabay Nov 2013 #28

how idiotic! this is not about fantasy Tumbulu Nov 2013 #545

and yet you find the time to worry about what consenting adults do in their sex lifes loli phabay Nov 2013 #615

what about women and their 50 shades obsession. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2013 #30

I thank god every day for the first amendment. davidn3600 Nov 2013 #32

+1 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #33

Yes, Jefferson wrote that the ability of wannabe rapists to wank geek tragedy Nov 2013 #36

And the ability of the KKK to hold marches. And the ability of people to use the "f" word in public. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #54

Jefferson's first amendment didn't protect any of that stuff. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #65

Do you want to make a list of what would be banned under such a stupid law in America? davidn3600 Nov 2013 #55

If you read more closely, you'll see that the justiciability of standards geek tragedy Nov 2013 #67

LOL. whathehell Nov 2013 #321

Yes Jefferson, whose relationship with Sally Hemmings was totally 100% consensual... Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #533

sick defender of women being tortured and beaten! Tumbulu Nov 2013 #556

+1 PassingFair Nov 2013 #245

You're talking about stuff that, even if it doesn't depict real sexual assault, is indistinguishable nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #337

the ban on underage depictions is likely not constitutional in the US nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #404

I know. And the law in the OP wouldn't likely hold up here either. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #408

Just men? There's a thriving and active community of women who enjoy Codeine Nov 2013 #354

correct women are just as kinky as men. loli phabay Nov 2013 #423

In that case, you're opposed to the First Amendment to the Constitution, and I'm opposed to you. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #630

Quite the conceited argument you make, proposing that anyone who disagrees geek tragedy Nov 2013 #669

Conceited. Yeah, I get that way when people want to trample the 1A. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #674

You get that way when people disagree with you. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #675

I've said what I came to say. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #676

yes, in the manner of the Church Lady nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #677

It is already against the law to publish images of rape porn, so The Accused is unaffected muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #80

How can you come up with a definition of "rape porn" Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #101

A case of the jury knowing it when they see it, I think muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #94

that makes sense. Thanks for explaining. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #104

Evoking Game of Thrones and A Clockwork Orange BainsBane Nov 2013 #611

This law (according to the OP) only applies to material that's already illegal. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #328

so they are going to ban slasher / horror movies too. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2013 #27

I don't think rape should be eroticized gollygee Nov 2013 #29

People don't choose their kinks. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #31

+1 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #34

Rape is a violent crime BainsBane Nov 2013 #87

There is a difference between a consensual fantasy and real sexual assault. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #96

Those are not rape fantasies BainsBane Nov 2013 #99

Like I said, the problem is that the consensual stuff will be labeled as "rape porn"... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #108

The problem seems to be BainsBane Nov 2013 #117

males and females both watch and participate in these simulations loli phabay Nov 2013 #120

Yes, and women participate in the human trafficking that BainsBane Nov 2013 #128

wtf are you on about now, dont you get it, people as part of their sex life loli phabay Nov 2013 #134

Don't lecture to me about sex BainsBane Nov 2013 #138

its not about sex, its submission, domination, power loli phabay Nov 2013 #141

Which is not what I'm talking about BainsBane Nov 2013 #145

to educate you, simulated rape is part of bdsm loli phabay Nov 2013 #150

You do understand that women watch BDSM videos too. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #123

You're the one broadbrushing BainsBane Nov 2013 #125

I think you have a filter that means you cant see the words below loli phabay Nov 2013 #130

Yes, and women's right to live as EQUALS outweighs misogynists' "right" to their sick erections. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #736

Well, they don't clearly, not in this country BainsBane Nov 2013 #739

Yes, I know and THAT in itself, is an outrage! whathehell Nov 2013 #764

Every erect penis is a direct assault on women's rights everwhere? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #772

"there is correlation between watching that stuff and actual rape" You forgot a word. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #773

Thank you. He's an idiot. nt. sibelian Nov 2013 #373

despicable? no raping people is despicable Tumbulu Nov 2013 #550

I explained my position 20 times already. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #689

Just because you assert chervilant Nov 2013 #712

Force fantasies are usually identified among the top 3 WOMENS sexual fantasies. Xithras Nov 2013 #47

its actually very common, power and sex are closely linked in many fetishes of both sexes. loli phabay Nov 2013 #72

How about castration porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #88

Holy crap! zappaman Nov 2013 #91

I don't think it is BainsBane Nov 2013 #95

Rule 34 applies... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #173

if its consensual then why not, kinda like faecal play, not my thing loli phabay Nov 2013 #105

There isn't much of that is there? BainsBane Nov 2013 #110

rofl, vo do research you will be surprised at how much goes on loli phabay Nov 2013 #126

Well by all means BainsBane Nov 2013 #132

talking about simulated rape in porn loli phabay Nov 2013 #139

It's not all simulated BainsBane Nov 2013 #143

and yet you misd the point that consensual rape porn is not rape loli phabay Nov 2013 #155

Oh very good! nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #569

It's not just about power. Xithras Nov 2013 #124

good post, the taboo has always been a big turn on for people loli phabay Nov 2013 #147

You're a man, but you speak only of women & with such "authority"..How about discussing MEN & their whathehell Nov 2013 #331

How about YOU go and find out ANYTHING AT ALL about the subject? sibelian Nov 2013 #371

Honey, I AM a woman...So maybe..Gee, just MAYBE I know something about women you and other men don't whathehell Nov 2013 #379

Yeah, because all women are exactly the same, and exactly like you Xithras Nov 2013 #397

Nah, not the point, but again, why don't you want to talk about YOUR fantasies or that of other men? whathehell Nov 2013 #405

How about YOURS? sibelian Nov 2013 #714

How about YOURS? whathehell Nov 2013 #725

Lol. I'm perfectly comfortable with it. Xithras Nov 2013 #720

Lol, that's nice, but since you decline to speak of them, whathehell Nov 2013 #724

How about YOU read my other POSTS on this thread, so YOU know what you are TALKING ABOUT whathehell Nov 2013 #402

Well... Xithras Nov 2013 #391

Of course.. whathehell Nov 2013 #400

Fantasies may be somewhat gender neutral in terms of the relative power dynamics BainsBane Nov 2013 #505

if such fantasies didn't exist, 50 shades of grey wouldn't be so popular with women. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #555

again... in fantasy there is total control over every that happens from appearance, to place, to seabeyond Nov 2013 #560

No one said they don't "exist"...Fifty shades of grey is popular with some women, hardly all, whathehell Nov 2013 #728

Oh tough shit! Tumbulu Nov 2013 #519

See the article linked in #511. tammywammy Nov 2013 #529

no. 62% of women create a scenario of an appearance of but no. they fantasize about the paticipants seabeyond Nov 2013 #536

so what? Is that a reason to make this stuff normal? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #540

Get your sicko attitude out of my life. sibelian Nov 2013 #713

when women fantasize about rape, they have control on all aspect of that rape. the man, seabeyond Nov 2013 #576

What's the difference between something being eroticised and someone having a fetish for something? sibelian Nov 2013 #53

We need safe outlets for people to explore their sexuality in a consensual and safe way. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #58

Yeah. I was involved in the Scottish BDSM community when I was younger, consent is CRUCIAL to them. sibelian Nov 2013 #137

Exactly - we're arguing in this threat over what is the definition of "rape porn". backscatter712 Nov 2013 #153

Well, as I understood it, imagery of anything ACTUALLY non-consensual isn't "rape porn" it's SNUFF. sibelian Nov 2013 #334

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #115

It shouldn't be n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #765

sorry FatBuddy Nov 2013 #37

rofl, loli phabay Nov 2013 #45

Some of them don't even try hard... n/t backscatter712 Nov 2013 #63

you used the word hard in a porn thread. tsk tsk loli phabay Nov 2013 #66

His trolling attempt was... Lancero Nov 2013 #71

rofl, now you have done it, it flopped big time. loli phabay Nov 2013 #74

I'm sorry, last I checked, porn is performed by consenting adults. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #81

thats the crux, anything consenting adults do should be none of anyones business loli phabay Nov 2013 #83

just in case you have not noticed Tumbulu Nov 2013 #566

When you are in a trusting relationship you can feel safe to explore sexual fantasies. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #570

rape porn? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #573

I see someone upthread has already addressed the child issue. Children cannot give consent so stop liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #723

when you are in a trusting relationship pretending to rape and be raped, you are not raping and seabeyond Nov 2013 #574

No. All porn is not rape. Porn is porn and rape is rape. sibelian Nov 2013 #324

*snork* name not needed Nov 2013 #425

Troll harder, troll! nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #546

Good. MadrasT Nov 2013 #46

thanks, is it okay for them to video it as well and post it so others can see. loli phabay Nov 2013 #48

I suppose if it's clearly depicted as consensual - and no one is actually hurt - then it's okay. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #359

i think that it would be better to have the contract in writing or on tape loli phabay Nov 2013 #364

Disclaimers at the start of the video, etc. Just to clearly separate it from the "real thing." nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #367

could have one of those no animals where hurt in the making things and some org certify it loli phabay Nov 2013 #369

Nobody wants to go to jail for consensual sex play. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #51

I agree. Which is why I think this law is problematic even if I sympathize with some of its goals. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #348

You just care what they watch... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #61

Whether or not YOU care isn't the issue. Laws are being drawn up. sibelian Nov 2013 #351

It's impossible to regulate fiction. ntt rrneck Nov 2013 #64

I don't think this is meant to "regulate fiction" though. It has to do with either *real* depictions nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #361

How do you distinguish one from the other? rrneck Nov 2013 #476

I don't want anyone to "regulate fiction." I thought I just said that. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #479

All fiction operates on the principle of rrneck Nov 2013 #485

But *I'm not talking about fiction of any kind*. That's the thing. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #487

Um, rrneck Nov 2013 #493

But what I'm talking about here is recordings of *actual crimes*. *Not* anything fictitious. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #499

If the good is indistinguishable from the bad rrneck Nov 2013 #507

Personally, I'd only be interested in prosecuting people who produce actual videos of criminal acts nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #526

I agree. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #543

Based on the Scottish law... MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #75

the scottish law is not to bad, only issues i have is the could cause severe injury part loli phabay Nov 2013 #79

It may be ambiguously outlined... MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #84

Cartoon tentacle porn won't be affected by this, I'm pretty sure... Though I could be wrong... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #363

Thank God!!!!! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #737

I'm actually not kidding when I say that I've studiously avoided hentai up till now. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #746

I'm too old, man. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #747

Oh yeah, "Fritz"! I've seen bits and pieces of it, been meaning to watch the whole thing. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #749

R. Crumb hated it so much, he killed the character afterwards. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #751

Poor kitty! nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #753

More.... MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #92

"possessing pornography which depicts rape" SirRevolutionary Nov 2013 #76

Well, the Japanese porn market is certainly not gonna like this... Lobo27 Nov 2013 #82

Excellent BainsBane Nov 2013 #85

Good. Jamastiene Nov 2013 #90

erm, you know that guys do it to loli phabay Nov 2013 #112

No, really? NealK Nov 2013 #159

well the comment seemed to imply on women were simulated raped, I was pointing out loli phabay Nov 2013 #171

I'm not sure that I understand your first sentence but NealK Nov 2013 #215

gah i hate typing on the cellphone it always messes up words or autocorrects loli phabay Nov 2013 #253

Fun movie to watch, that is relevant: Preaching to the Perverted. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #103

But fictional portrayals of murder are still OK? Throd Nov 2013 #113

All clearly fictional portrayals (as in feature films) are "OK" I'm pretty sure. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #365

So what does that mean for "fantasy rape" porn? Buddha_of_Wisdom Nov 2013 #121

There's the rub. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #127

"People engaging in erotic fantasy play are in danger of..." NealK Nov 2013 #192

Thank you BainsBane Nov 2013 #208

Really? NealK Nov 2013 #231

PWF BainsBane Nov 2013 #237

as i said earlier real rape tapes should be hammered but consenting adults should be able to record loli phabay Nov 2013 #254

It means they'll host it in a different country LittleBlue Nov 2013 #131

"whether they claim they are �simulated� or not." NealK Nov 2013 #154

I see Camerwrong has fixed everything else in the UK and has to time to deal with this stuff now.... truebrit71 Nov 2013 #157

Only 6 Recs? NealK Nov 2013 #167

Oh goody, it's thoughtcrime time! Jester Messiah Nov 2013 #177

That's why I'm skeptical of this law, even though I agree with some of its objectives... n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #366

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #178

Hamburglar sentenced to 30 years for "simulated" theft. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #203

What the nasty apologists in this thread don't understand is, everything in a movie is ALWAYS real. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #228

No, but it sometimes is BainsBane Nov 2013 #241

if they are paying then they are doing it wrong, i could link you to many free sites rigjt now loli phabay Nov 2013 #255

Do you pay for Google? BainsBane Nov 2013 #260

lol, youbreally think that ibwant you to watch something that you are talking as an expert on loli phabay Nov 2013 #265

So watching some porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #267

lol loli phabay Nov 2013 #269

no such luck BainsBane Nov 2013 #271

n/t loli phabay Nov 2013 #273

The right of people to wank to giant robots destroying cities Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #289

Bull. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #403

Pornography is NOT fantasy--it is reality. duffyduff Nov 2013 #515

So you are of the opinion that women are not capable of consenting to have sex in front of a camera, Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #600

Pictures of consenting adults doing things the government doesn't like = crime cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #256

Why do people continue to assume it's all consensual? BainsBane Nov 2013 #262

There are mainstream, popular porn stars who participate in rape pornography. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #270

I don't know what percentage BainsBane Nov 2013 #296

And that is certainly a worthy discussion. But I think what should be the main discussion here... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #307

Did you see that Ted video in HOF BainsBane Nov 2013 #315

No, I'll go watch it. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #318

why cant you see that its two different things we are talking about loli phabay Nov 2013 #276

I'm sorry but the equation of two consenting adults does not mean rape porn is okay. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #282

i dont know were this idea that its against women, women are big into this as well loli phabay Nov 2013 #295

I really, seriously don't need a lecture on human sexuality from you. Just an FYI. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #302

This message was self-deleted by its author loli phabay Nov 2013 #308

That argument won't survive in the Supreme Court... davidn3600 Nov 2013 #300

I have not once in this entire thread stated that rape pornography should be illegal. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #303

You made a promise to be done with me BainsBane Nov 2013 #292

nah i did not give you my word, i answered you without realising it loli phabay Nov 2013 #301

Anything that is not consensual is already illegal. No new law is needed. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #294

Demand fuels human trafficking BainsBane Nov 2013 #299

Humans are also trafficked to work in factories. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #304

Do you believe the consumer bears no responsibility BainsBane Nov 2013 #319

I don't shop in Walmart, but plenty of DUers do. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #355

My concern for workers rights BainsBane Nov 2013 #360

So you support three-year sentences for Walmart shoppers? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #478

Do you support no prosecution for 96% of rapists? BainsBane Nov 2013 #486

No, and what an insulting question. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #508

bullshit BainsBane Nov 2013 #539

I would say for sure that we need more protections for workers in general, not just sex workers... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #572

And no one in their right mind is trying to make all pornography illegal. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #375

And someone in the Government gets to define whats "problematic" (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #380

Yeah, that's part of the problem right there. And I acknowlege that this is a complex, frustrating nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #384

"no one in their right mind is trying to make all pornography illegal" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #605

Yeah because attacking demand has worked out so well in the war on drugs! davidn3600 Nov 2013 #322

The war on drugs has dealt almost entirely with supply BainsBane Nov 2013 #325

What a load of crap davidn3600 Nov 2013 #382

Tell that to Colombia and Mexico BainsBane Nov 2013 #406

Should we ban horror movies since guys like Ted Bundy may "get off" on it? davidn3600 Nov 2013 #418

"This thread defending rape porn" JackRiddler Nov 2013 #470

LOL BainsBane Nov 2013 #472

I see you've met the friend. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #754

Well, shit... opiate69 Nov 2013 #755

THATS HIS LEG, SIR Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #757

heh.. kinda reminds me of my high school days.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #759

Who knew Dee Snyder was carrying around Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #777

Jeepers. If that's the case then maybe you cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #492

You think that doesn't concern me? BainsBane Nov 2013 #496

Why anyone would want to watch that kind of porn is beyond me. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #264

is not all porn garbage to people not into it, theres shitloads of stuff out there that few watch loli phabay Nov 2013 #275

I am not saying all porn is garage. I said this kind is. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #277

its one of those if it floats your boat question, we all have kinks and fetishes that seem strange t loli phabay Nov 2013 #283

I just don't get how someone can find rape porn appealing. Scary stuff. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #288

You are completely disregarding the substantive consequence of prolific sexual violence. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #290

and like it or not its part of human nature, now we can fight the violence loli phabay Nov 2013 #306

I'm not an essentialist so if you are arguing that rape is implicitly within the human mind... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #309

think if you read again, i was saying that submission domination etc are part of us all loli phabay Nov 2013 #311

Domination and submission is part of us all because we justify their existence. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #312

i respect your opinion but disagree, i am happy with domination and submission and loli phabay Nov 2013 #316

The law doesn't criminalize bdsm BainsBane Nov 2013 #332

sorry thought i was done with you. n/t loli phabay Nov 2013 #336

You won't answer the question? BainsBane Nov 2013 #340

Witness the defenders of the law BainsBane Nov 2013 #416

I just don't get how anyone can watch something like that. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #419

That's because you're a good soul BainsBane Nov 2013 #424

think of it this way, are there aspects of your own sexuality that some people dont get loli phabay Nov 2013 #429

If a person has a fetish for watching rape then they need to get a new fetish. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #430

going to try to take this one apart, for some its the rape aspect that titillates, some are sick loli phabay Nov 2013 #433

Look I understand you are trying to explain it but it seems horrible to me. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #434

yup, i get it. its one of those things that makes us all different loli phabay Nov 2013 #436

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #609

Feel free to avoid it. How vanilla stuff turns anyone on is a mystery to ME. sibelian Nov 2013 #327

Ok. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #330

bingo, loli phabay Nov 2013 #333

It's a mystery why rape survivors BainsBane Nov 2013 #338

And survivors of mass shootings probably hate to see gun violence in movies. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #407

Firstly, the numbers aren't comparable BainsBane Nov 2013 #412

And damaging Tumbulu Nov 2013 #520

Yes this is very damaging to people because some but not all will become desensitized by this. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #523

Coming soon "All things deemed "naughty" to be banned" Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #280

When consenting adults decide to make a movie of themselves doing something, and nobody gets hurt, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #281

I agree with this. Which is why they need to clearly differentiate what they're doing nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #381

Also important to distinguish between real "snuff" films and simulated violence (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #383

Of course. No argument from me. But no sane person watches a violent movie and think it's real. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #389

This is what happens when people who can't tell the diff between... MrScorpio Nov 2013 #293

But does anyone really *need* to do that weird "BDSM" stuff? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #305

and a chaperone to make sure nothing untoward happens. loli phabay Nov 2013 #313

I find it fascinating that the only ones here conflating BDSM and rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #345

Well those folks need to educate themselves on the difference as well MrScorpio Nov 2013 #357

or those who think mainstream movies and tv shows JI7 Nov 2013 #417

This is why, as I said, people need to very clearly differentiate their simulations nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #392

awesome publice service advert. loli phabay Nov 2013 #398

Rape for the sake of rape ( not part of a plot ) is Misanthropy orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #329

Excellent point about Ted Bundy BainsBane Nov 2013 #342

So whatever any killer blames for his crimes, we should ban. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #349

Any Killer ? We shouldn't ban kiddie porn ? or only if they kill the child ? orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #455

This thread is a about putting consenting adults in prison Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #459

This thread is in GD, and it's about Scumbags that support orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #607

Yeah, because it's not like Ted Bundy JackRiddler Nov 2013 #350

Once in prison, how about on the way to the chair . And " Media influence " orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #458

I don't disagree with the spirit of the law, even if I'm dubious on the 3-year sentence for nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #396

simply have a page at the start that says peta approved loli phabay Nov 2013 #399

"BRILLIANT!" nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #401

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" or "law of unintended consequences" or something. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #422

In general I agree. But what happens when you can't tell the "real thing" from the fake? nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #480

Then what would their crime be....being uninformed? Captain Stern Nov 2013 #482

You have a point. And that's why I have my reservations about the extension of the law. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #490

you would rather see guilty folks watching a real rape in progress get away... well, bully for you. seabeyond Nov 2013 #495

Yes, If that's the only choice. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #640

i do not want to see women and our children brutally raped for the entertainment of men. for seabeyond Nov 2013 #647

I also don't want see our women and children brutally raped for the entertainment of men. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #654

whose responsibility is it? the victim throwing a clue out during her rape so a buyer knows? or seabeyond Nov 2013 #655

since there is a huge market of trafficked women and children forced, or girls blackmailed to do seabeyond Nov 2013 #652

Fair Enough. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #657

Just watch bluestateguy Nov 2013 #431

plunking, lol in some ways thats better than pegging. loli phabay Nov 2013 #435

No, the law only makes illegal possession of porn that is illegal to produce BainsBane Nov 2013 #467

I wish people would stop freaking out and realize what this law actually entails. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #484

Come on BainsBane Nov 2013 #488

Very true. I suppose that's something of a built-in feature, when it comes to Internet nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #491

You created those Strawman with 50 posts in this thread DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #636

how do you know the difference between the "simulated" rape and actual rape how do you know you seabeyond Nov 2013 #637

That question has been posed lots of times in this thread DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #642

huge sex slave trafficking with the sole purpose of producing rape films and presented to the public seabeyond Nov 2013 #658

Wrong. BainsBane Nov 2013 #641

OP is about the UK. It quickly devolved into a hypothetical discussion about the US. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #643

You haven't bothered to follow my argument in the slightest BainsBane Nov 2013 #648

I told you not to waste my time. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #653

My thoughts Aaron8418 Nov 2013 #432

Rape is one of the most common sexual fantasies. woo me with science Nov 2013 #481

+1 n/t tammywammy Nov 2013 #497

That is shocking. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #501

See post 511. tammywammy Nov 2013 #512

I don't believe those fantasies are actually rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #502

Not all women that have rape fantasies are about being "ravished" tammywammy Nov 2013 #511

interesting, knew it was not rare just not that common loli phabay Nov 2013 #514

It's probably higher tammywammy Nov 2013 #517

yeah that was me, furries i just dont get but its their thing loli phabay Nov 2013 #518

in a womans rape fantasy, it is her fantasy to control. everything about the rape is her control seabeyond Nov 2013 #527

As a rape victim, yes I do know what rape is. tammywammy Nov 2013 #547

in the article it is what is in the womans head. ALL is in her control with her "rape" fantasy that seabeyond Nov 2013 #553

And that is precisely why it is called 'fantasy' Bonobo Nov 2013 #602

that is not what rape, nor supposed simulated rape created is. that would be the issue. seabeyond Nov 2013 #635

Role play of the type described could easily appear to someone to be a Bonobo Nov 2013 #639

the escalation of sex trafficking, kidnapping women and children, forcing rape on them, seabeyond Nov 2013 #656

No, I'm not saying that at all. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #659

so, you feel the buyer is responisble for the porn he consumes that a victim is not being forced seabeyond Nov 2013 #661

Yes, I do. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #663

You keep bringing up this stuff about chemical reactions. Do you have a scientific source or study Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #738

Yet isn't rape and fantasy an oxymoron? BainsBane Nov 2013 #522

woman has NO control in RAPE. fantasy of rape, she has control of ALL elements of rape. it is not seabeyond Nov 2013 #530

This just in: The Human Psyche is complex, and occasionally paradoxical�. opiate69 Nov 2013 #532

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Nov 2013 #535

Yes and producing this stuff may desensitize some people to rape. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #544

Sexuality is mysterious and that includes fantasies. tammywammy Nov 2013 #538

I can agree with that BainsBane Nov 2013 #542

It's consentual forcible sex. tammywammy Nov 2013 #552

Again, I disupte they are rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #564

Consensual "forcible" sex might be a better way to put it. The quotation marks are important. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #575

how forcible is it when both parties agree this is what they are playing at? she can pretend to be seabeyond Nov 2013 #579

That's pretty much exactly what I was saying. Hence the quotes. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #582

ah, ok. thanks. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #584

Well.. let`s see.... opiate69 Nov 2013 #590

so, i am right. pretend. role play. the person trusts each other. big whoop. that is not rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #592

And nobody here, again, is defending real rape. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #683

if you are defending the right to the rape porn, then ya, you are defending real rape. a vast amount seabeyond Nov 2013 #688

I'm saying that Cameron's law doesn't distinguish between... backscatter712 Nov 2013 #692

i do not give a fuck about camerons law. i an addressing the men that validate, normalize, excuse, seabeyond Nov 2013 #695

what is wrong is equating all this to actual rape. fantasy is nothing about rape. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #593

That isn't what the law targets BainsBane Nov 2013 #594

How odd that you keep leaving out the important part of the language. Looks intentionally deceptive. Bonobo Nov 2013 #608

consentual forcible sex done exactly how the person wants it done and with who.... how forcible is seabeyond Nov 2013 #565

So what, it is violent torture Tumbulu Nov 2013 #521

my brother dated a girl once who told him she wanted to play out a rape fantasy with him. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #559

she chooses her rapist? and how would that be rape. they could play all they want, but she seabeyond Nov 2013 #568

Well good job! They are poisonous Tumbulu Nov 2013 #524

If the movie is fiction, it's clear censorship. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #620

how do you know the girls/women are willing? free of responsibility if you do not know? seabeyond Nov 2013 #632

How about examining the actual law BainsBane Nov 2013 #588

taking away all the fun. people are BORN with these kinks. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #591

You (intentionally) left out the significant part of that. I'll fix it for you. Bonobo Nov 2013 #595

Does this mean videos of piercings are illegal? backscatter712 Nov 2013 #679

Hardly a broad or vague standard, it would seem. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #596

and Game of Thrones BainsBane Nov 2013 #597

I think people are more afraid of the slippery slope and how such a law would apply in America davidn3600 Nov 2013 #598

No, because if it's not illegal to make it's not illegal to possess BainsBane Nov 2013 #599

You're wrong and making up things. Bonobo Nov 2013 #603

If a simulated depiction of a criminal act is indistinguishable from the "real thing" nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #604

For those who aren't regular consumers of rape porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #614

How about the Government bans anything that is "extremely offensive to the average person"? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #618

Try reading the actual law BainsBane Nov 2013 #624

The law says "or depicts it in a realistic way". Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #625

Okay BainsBane Nov 2013 #628

It's already illegal to traffic, rape, and kill people. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #633

What's with the constant refrain about consenting adults? BainsBane Nov 2013 #638

How about keeping actual murder and rape illegal, but fictional murder and rape legal? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #644

"provided" BainsBane Nov 2013 #645

1. Yes, I want to keep actual murder and rape illegal. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #650

Ah, I see you've met the old debatin' pal Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #748

My reading of the law is that it doesn't ban such fictional portrayals. BainsBane Nov 2013 #808

You realize at the current state, this thread has 676 posts and you account for 118 of them? snooper2 Nov 2013 #678

You don't have a clue what the word "consensual" means. cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #719

Someone in this thread keeps asserting that its -impossible- for a woman to consent Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #741

Also... opiate69 Nov 2013 #750

Zesty, perhaps, being an adjective better reserved for salad dressing Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #752

I should make sure I journal that post of mine... opiate69 Nov 2013 #756

And I totally forgot the Big Lebowski reference until just now. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #760

Any time is a good time to dust off the old dvd and pour a Caucasian.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #761

Heh. But I did back in the day, fo sho'... Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #762

You do know we aren't talking about your private sex life here? BainsBane Nov 2013 #781

This post brought to you by the Department of Inane Non-Sequitors. opiate69 Nov 2013 #786

Gee, I had such hopes for you BainsBane Nov 2013 #787

As long as we're rating substance... opiate69 Nov 2013 #788

That PM wasn't directed at you, so I fail to see why I need to discuss it with you. BainsBane Nov 2013 #789

Did I now?? opiate69 Nov 2013 #791

An affiliated page? BainsBane Nov 2013 #793

Hmmm... opiate69 Nov 2013 #794

No, it was in the middle of Pab's meltdown BainsBane Nov 2013 #795

I never said it was "official" DU.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #796

You're lecturing me about reading comprehension? BainsBane Nov 2013 #799

Somebody obviously needs to. Your history here makes that crystal clear. opiate69 Nov 2013 #801

It takes a strong person to admit he or she is wrong. BainsBane Nov 2013 #806

Kind of ironic since HOF regularly calls the owners of the site misogynists. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #800

And, worse if memory serves... opiate69 Nov 2013 #802

Who? BainsBane Nov 2013 #780

You lost any chance to get my time, consideration & energy when you sent me the "**** ***" PM. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #782

fair enough BainsBane Nov 2013 #783

I'll do what I want, thanks. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #784

I understand no one has said rape is great BainsBane Nov 2013 #785

It's like she's Tom Brady to your Richard Sherman... opiate69 Nov 2013 #792

Wow. That's got to be the most bizarre posts I've ever read BainsBane Nov 2013 #779

Oh god, your rationalization is just laughable. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #818

What makes you think they will? BainsBane Nov 2013 #807

No, the problem would be that a person would face criminal charges for Bonobo Nov 2013 #634

Lots of DUers have a great deal of trust that prosecutors will be able to determine Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #646

Ah, the fun Ken Cuccinelli would have with Cameron's new law. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #694

As you know very well, prosecutors do not convict people in the UK muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #735

THis is a very long thread. AngryAmish Nov 2013 #673

My thoughts exactly. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #704

kudzu, my friend. kudza AngryAmish Nov 2013 #707

Graywarrior's "never die" thread. rrneck Nov 2013 #758

Wow, Straight Story, chervilant Nov 2013 #715

Truer words have never been said: NuclearDem Nov 2013 #717

Good! In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #722

Almost 800 replies. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #763

Starting to look like a hot celebrities thread. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #770

You only say that because you're worried the UK is going to take away your rubber walrus porn Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #771

+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #778

No kidding. LittleBlue Nov 2013 #790

Gee, 16 recs and nearly 800 replies. I suspect fighting. nolabear Nov 2013 #797

EPIC FUCKING THREAD. This went exactly like I envisioned it to go. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #798

What I find really impressive is there is only one hidden post in this thread. n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #803

wonder how many alerts there have been though. but its amazing only one hide though loli phabay Nov 2013 #812

So are all simulated illegal activities between consenting adults illegal now? Kurska Nov 2013 #804

The funniest thing is people who think this will do literally anything besides send people to prison Kurska Nov 2013 #805

Actually, this would make if more effective than the original law muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #811

" And that will put some people off getting hold of it in the first place." Kurska Nov 2013 #813

Freedom of speech always has limits muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #814

Consensual adults doing consensual things in the privacy of their own home shouldn't be a limit Kurska Nov 2013 #815

This isn't, however, "in the privacy of their own home" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #816

I think you have a very tragic misunderstanding of what people who are into this are actually like Kurska Nov 2013 #817