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sabrina 1

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29. Well, I am against that also. I would never deny life saving treatment to ANYONE.

Tue Nov 19, 2013, 03:02 PM

Nov 2013

And how many people do you know who can afford HC and refuse to buy it? I have never met a single person who was without HC, who COULD afford it. Every person I know who did not have insurance, could NOT afford it.

I've had this argument for YEARS with Right Wingers.

Do you think that a dying person should be presented with their previously signed agreement 'Oops, sorry, here's your death warrant, which you signed several years ago, no life saving treatment for you'.

What a society this would be if every time someone needed life saving treatment, we checked their backgrounds to see if they deserve to live or die.

I feel sick to think that this is where we are as a society.

Money V Life. Even a not very good life?

I know where I stand on the issue.

Even someone who didn't buy an insurance policy deserves life saving treatment, in fact has a right to it in a civilized society, imho.

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Solution for those who do not want to purchase health care insurance... [View all] liberal N proud Nov 2013 OP

I think one of the problems is that even with the new policies that are offered... peace13 Nov 2013 #1

^ This ^ Myrina Nov 2013 #5

I see you point, but what we have is a great first step. Pinkflamingo Nov 2013 #9

Note to self. Low income folks are on Medicaid. peace13 Nov 2013 #46

Here are some real Ohio numbers. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #52

Not aware of cost sharing subsidies for deductible and out of pocket. Sounds interesting. peace13 Nov 2013 #60

That is part of the ACA. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #63

Thanks so much for the link! peace13 Nov 2013 #67

One thing you might look into Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #88

Thanks for that! n/t peace13 Nov 2013 #90

My husband and I are big advocates of seeing our PCP first and getting a referral from them if CTyankee Nov 2013 #101

Agree completely--health costs are out of control AndyA Nov 2013 #26

well said. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #33

Those are interesting suggestions. JNinWB Nov 2013 #2

Pay us or die!!! PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #3

Just those who are telling us it is wrong to require everyone to get covered. liberal N proud Nov 2013 #16

Pay for something you are not going to use? HockeyMom Nov 2013 #4

"maybe I need to join a religion that doesn't believe in medical treatment" sounds like you already dionysus Nov 2013 #17

The me's of the country HockeyMom Nov 2013 #51

Keep fighting zipplewrath Nov 2013 #6

I agree, we need to continue to push for universal coverage liberal N proud Nov 2013 #18

Exactly! historylovr Nov 2013 #74

Wow! 'If you do not WANT insurance', that is what Right Wingers have always sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #7

+1 Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #8

I am saying to those who can afford but choose not to liberal N proud Nov 2013 #15

Well, I am against that also. I would never deny life saving treatment to ANYONE. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #29

Co-worker and I just discussing this Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #19

Thank you! ...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #36

+A Million. historylovr Nov 2013 #75

Religious people who don't hold with doctors fadedrose Nov 2013 #10

It's not that we don't want it, Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #11

Rec PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #20

I'd like to have them shadow me for a day. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #21

Especially now that SNAP Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #25

There are no premiums with expanded Medicare you know lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #28

Yes. Yes I do. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #84

I was just throwing out a suggestion. Some states refused to even expand that. lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #85

It's not even desperately poor it's working class. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #39

. adirondacker Nov 2013 #12

Indeed, responsible people have a good job and plenty of disposable income Fumesucker Nov 2013 #13

You said it right there Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #22

The exemption is from the �individual shared responsibility payment� to qualify Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #14

Great fix for the problems the people have. Savannahmann Nov 2013 #23

Obviously you have not read the entire post or replies. liberal N proud Nov 2013 #24

Borderline, bullshit, it is against the rules. lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #30

I am generous liberal N proud Nov 2013 #32

Very lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #34

Rules? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #48

except PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #35

The real purpose of the idea is to shut down those who are bemoaning the requirement liberal N proud Nov 2013 #38

I do not know PowerToThePeople Nov 2013 #41

The purpose of the requirement Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #43

The actual language of the law Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #91

So there is no enforcing it? Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #92

No liens or criminal penalties can be imposed. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #94

I removed the erroneous paragraph Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #95

Yay!! Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #98

I found this reference that explains it well. thanks for your help.. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #93

The last sentence (update) is the second part of the code which I quoted earlier. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #96

Progressives opposed Mandated insurance long before this. So did Obama btw. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #79

If they do not have insurance by march 2014, and they go into a hospital, it will be like it was lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #27

They will also have to pay a penalty on their taxes...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #44

Eh, I'll have insurance, I still won't have care, outside of a yearly checkup... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #31

I'm already in that boat. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #42

Mine will be employer provided, since my employer provides it, I get no subsidies... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #47

We completed our enrollment period here Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #62

The plan that was available last year sucked, I decided not to enroll.. Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #66

LOL cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #53

Considering that, in the past year, my grandmother and mother... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #55

If you ain't got nothin, you got nothin to lose. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #59

Some people don't own anything so they don't haave anything to sell or for anyone to take. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #78

I appreciate your position.... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #102

You will have to get the federal law requiring ER rooms give treatment, insurance or not, changed. former9thward Nov 2013 #37

I think once you tell people they have to make that choice, they will opt for coverage liberal N proud Nov 2013 #40

Can I opt out of being defended? former9thward Nov 2013 #45

That's what we have the Second Amendment for in the first place Fumesucker Nov 2013 #49

Exactly. former9thward Nov 2013 #65

The Final Solution, eh? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #50

"Why should responsible people have to pay for those who are not?" seveneyes Nov 2013 #54

And you don't think you are now? liberal N proud Nov 2013 #56

As a responsible person, I have auto insurance, property insurance, liability insurance. JNinWB Nov 2013 #57

Right? bunnies Nov 2013 #81

Are you going to read the affidavits while they die before your eyes? rug Nov 2013 #58

I'm reminded of this classic cartoon... adirondacker Nov 2013 #68

Touche. rug Nov 2013 #69

Extremely poor idea. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #61

Hahaha, no kidding. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #87

Why, as Americans, can't we have what virtually every other civilized nation in the world has? Romulox Nov 2013 #64

I'd like to add to this... Phentex Nov 2013 #71

Because no Republicans would vote for the ACA Fumesucker Nov 2013 #83

Because the insurance is not affordable. Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #70

You've been reading the Heritage Foundation document that started this train wreck solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #72

I get your point but the last question is not liberal... Phentex Nov 2013 #73

Neo-liberal and proud. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #76

Solution for homelessness? Buy a house!!!! ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #77

Got elected zipplewrath Nov 2013 #80

Can't do it. bravenak Nov 2013 #82

I haven't a clue what Republicans are even needed for, we've big tented ourselves TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #86

Same for relatives: Do NOT come running to me for cancer operation/treatment donation if you.../.. ErikJ Nov 2013 #89

I don't think that's necessary. When they file their IRS forms, they will 'pay' at that time. Sunlei Nov 2013 #97

The solution is what it always has been jrandom421 Nov 2013 #99

I am my brothers keeper. I have no problem with my money Autumn Nov 2013 #100