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In reply to the discussion: My 911 Call, The "Attempted Murder" of My Daughter, & Oppression of the Family Death Penalty [View all]Land Shark
(6,348 posts)For the sake of discussion, I will assume that I'm somehow minimizing things, and there's a potential future danger much greater than the general population but not enough to constitutionally justify a court order of some kind. Further assume she's out in the public.
My presumed "denial" does not seem to change the basic questions that arise out of the OP, one as to what to make of the past, and the other as to what to do in the future.
1. PAST. If I am presumed in denial, does that make the various things that happened, as listed in the OP, OK? (As far as I can see, the "denial" would only be as to expert opinion about future potential dangerousness, but it would not be relevant to whether or not victims, whether or not in "denial", should get notice of court hearings, be treated with dignity and respect, etc.)
2. FUTURE. You can read in the OP what my daughter, the direct victim, has in terms of feelings for her mom. When she gets out (estimated within the year), WHAT is your opinion as to SUPERVISED VISITATION? (Say with not only me but somebody else present, perhaps even a counselor?) Should supervised visitation be ruled out even though doctors at that point would definitely say it is OK? (Because they have already OK'd it months ago)
And if supervised visitation is not OK in your opinion, how does one go about handling my daughter and her desire to visit her mother, since she can freely do so now while she is in the hospital's form of supervised visitation, but not in any outside-hospital visitation?
My position in favor of supervised visitation is based on expert medical opinion of the State's own doctors as well as independent experts. I've inquired and demanded in writing of all parties any and all information they have as to alleged dangerousness of visitation and I've received no responses from CPS or from prosecutors for 2 months now. Thus, it seems relatively clear that the CPS position is just a litigation position, but not based on medical science or expert opinion. BUT EVEN IF IT SOMEHOW WERE BASED ON SOUND SCIENCE, the above two questions still remain. Why can't supervised visitation be managed anyway?
Finally, replies here are correct in that involuntary commitment standards are hard to meet. I know, because I looked into that before. But one of the transcripts I'm ordering will have the State's testimony from their doctors that the ONLY reason they recommend commitment is because they want her to be under a five year probationary supervision that is then allowable. They also believe that the 5 year medical supervision, (making sure she takes all meds, testing, etc.) will help to make her case for visitation EVEN BETTER. So, even the doctors that favored commitment think they are on a track to visitation. (I wish I had the transcript already but of course I don't)