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LostOne4Ever

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75. Cut them some slack?

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:10 AM

Nov 2013

Every post I have seen on this issue is them attacking anyone who disagrees. Often treating us as if we are anti-choice zealots and talking to us as if we are anti-choice ourselves.

Yes, abortion rights are under attack. The fucking republicans got the only PP clinic in my part of texas closed down. We should be uniting against the onslaught instead of castigating each other over a difference of opinion. I have no issue with someone who thinks abortion should not be rare.

What I do have a problem with is someone who holds that position talking down creating internal divisions and talking down to other pro-choice advocates over a simple word. This very thread is an attempt to explain the OP's position to DEFEND against the attacks that have been made.

How can you cut someone some slack when they are the ones on the attack?

I get why they feel strongly about it, and I disagree.

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The Progressive Abortion Purity Test [View all] renie408 Nov 2013 OP

Extremism is bad no matter how it manifests LittleBlue Nov 2013 #1

K&R.... daleanime Nov 2013 #2

There is a vast difference in making abortion rare by Lars39 Nov 2013 #3

Absolutely. renie408 Nov 2013 #6

I am anti-abortion and I absolutely agree with you on this. Th1onein Nov 2013 #9

No one is "pro-abortion" for fuck's sake. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #15

Actually, people here were strongly arguing they should NOT be rare. pnwmom Nov 2013 #29

I think her point was when some talk about making abortions rare, it is by denying them to women. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #32

No, she was criticizing Democrats who say that in the best of all worlds pnwmom Nov 2013 #33

No, that is not what she said. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #37

Wonderful clarification, thank you for that. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #38

I guess the question is that do DUers who use that language want legal proscriptions on Abortion el_bryanto Nov 2013 #50

I contend those who support choice have a vested interest in removing the harmful language PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #52

Well it clearly is a bit controversial el_bryanto Nov 2013 #60

I contest that you are wrong about this. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #132

k PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #133

IMO that's never the point of rare treestar Nov 2013 #126

I wish you were right. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #128

There is no need to be rude to me. Th1onein Nov 2013 #36

Anti-abortion means anti-choice in America. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #40

you are not being rude newcriminal Nov 2013 #42

She just said she uses anti-choice and anti-abortion "interchangeably" SunSeeker Nov 2013 #45

no I didn't newcriminal Nov 2013 #46

The poster I was responding to did, and you stepped in on her behalf. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #48

didn't say I was anti-choice and pro-choice newcriminal Nov 2013 #49

You can't be pro-choice AND anti-abortion as those two terms are understood. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #62

You are wrong LostOne4Ever Nov 2013 #74

Are you "personally against" abortion in cases of rape and health of the mother? SunSeeker Nov 2013 #76

Again you are the one making up definitions LostOne4Ever Nov 2013 #77

"FFS" is rude. But that's okay. Th1onein Nov 2013 #63

Anyone who is anti-abortion/anti-choice is rude, to put it mildly. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #67

you're in good company on that one's ignore list PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #78

Figures. Thanks. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #110

You know they wouldn't be able to resist reading your posts, or mine, or anyone else' they 'ignore'. idwiyo Nov 2013 #130

Very well said moonlady0623 Nov 2013 #13

kudos for telling your story and honestly confronting the emotions that come up Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #4

There is no one "right" way women feel, no way any "should" feel, a wide range of reasons and uppityperson Nov 2013 #5

^^ This. n/t winter is coming Nov 2013 #12

+ a million pnwmom Nov 2013 #7

did someone actaully tell you that you should be juming for joy? I did not see that, nor did I bettyellen Nov 2013 #8

Thank you. renie408 Nov 2013 #10

the "Yay abortion" was deliberately mischaracterizing those who support unfettered access bettyellen Nov 2013 #112

There wasn't just one thread, there were many. pnwmom Nov 2013 #22

In medical terms, most abortions are not complex procedures, which is what people are referring to. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #64

I'm not going to look for this now, but there was a lot more than that post. pnwmom Nov 2013 #68

I think the term "insignificant" here is reference to the alternative. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #69

And it can be a complicated medical procedure. Case by case. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #134

So can a tooth extraction. But early termination is statistically FAR FAR safer than carrying PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #135

Nobody is denying that. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #136

cool. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #137

LOL. I didn�t see your reply to PR and I used the same tooth extraction analogy. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #164

lol. GMTA! PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #167

Of course. So can a tooth extraction. But in the vast majority of cases, they are simple. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #160

Is that standard talking point? It's just weird you two with replies Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #161

Nope. Just a coincidence. Great minds think alike. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #162

ok - another: Abortion is safer than taking an injection of penicillin. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #168

Even in your 'ideal' world with 100% effective BC there will be those who will change their minds idwiyo Nov 2013 #117

As a man I will never know or understand it. zeemike Nov 2013 #11

I've expressed my own views on this - but think we should cut people el_bryanto Nov 2013 #14

this is a well thought out, balanced post el. seabeyond Nov 2013 #59

Thank you for the compliment. nt el_bryanto Nov 2013 #61

Cut them some slack? LostOne4Ever Nov 2013 #75

This /\ renie408 Nov 2013 #84

Because while they might well be the ones on attack at DU el_bryanto Nov 2013 #87

hyperbole much? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #88

Too bad. There is a full-on attack on reproductive rights. It's time to change the narritive. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #16

"It is a moral & positive choice that liberates women, saves lives, & protects families." SunSeeker Nov 2013 #17

Very well said. REP Nov 2013 #25

NM is voting right now on decisions that doctors and women should make. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #18

Its all about personal choice (to me) etherealtruth Nov 2013 #19

There is a BIG difference between saying abortion is "no biggie" and abortion is a positive choice. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #20

Compared to carrying to term and delivery, it's definitely "no biggie". PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #21

I have a friend who had an abortion and later, three babies. pnwmom Nov 2013 #26

What it is to individual women is a deeply personal decision. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #27

You're absolutely right from the medical perspective. pnwmom Nov 2013 #28

lol, I added to my reply before i saw yours. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #30

For Some Woman RobinA Nov 2013 #54

keep reading.. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #55

You can see that right in this thread, among several others pnwmom Nov 2013 #23

there you go newcriminal Nov 2013 #24

You are ignoring the rest of the sentence. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #34

you're ignoring what a lot of these women have been spewing newcriminal Nov 2013 #35

I think you are misunderstanding their point. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #41

I have read enough to call it spewing newcriminal Nov 2013 #43

You have made your position clear, but not your justification. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #47

I love that... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #44

No, it's just that some pro choice progressives cannot tolerate any statement renie408 Nov 2013 #80

huh, now take your first sentence and apply it to yourself. it works!! PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #81

HOW??? renie408 Nov 2013 #83

What specifically in the Davis thread made you cry? And why? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #85

Frankly, I find your intolerance a little ironic. renie408 Nov 2013 #90

you still did not answer the question. What IN THAT THREAD made you cry? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #91

And who are you, exactly, that I am supposed to justify my feelings to you? renie408 Nov 2013 #97

So it wasn't anyones posts that made you cry- yet you complain about the thread as if it bettyellen Nov 2013 #116

OMG newcriminal Nov 2013 #98

I read it twice, and could not see what the hell there was to cry about. bettyellen Nov 2013 #113

omg, thank you. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #115

She's not flagged for review. Do you want her to be? rug Nov 2013 #119

she was. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #122

she seems angry that others do not suffer the guilt she has. bettyellen Nov 2013 #129

agreed. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #131

"you intolerant, ugly minded bitch".... wow. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #92

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #94

get a grip. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #96

Have some empathy. If you are capable of it. renie408 Nov 2013 #99

eeek, locked out of your own thread. bummer. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #100

Quite the apology thread, eh?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #118

Perhaps you should look inward to understand... 99Forever Nov 2013 #102

your concern is noted. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #104

I really don't get... 99Forever Nov 2013 #105

super cute how you only read what you want read. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #106

I read every word of the exchange. 99Forever Nov 2013 #108

don't you love how overly sensitive "allies" seem sometimes? Scout Nov 2013 #156

Exactly. Worse than 'soft support'. That is 'limp support'. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #157

it's a weird head game alright! and I do not think I have ever seen a true ally play it. bettyellen Nov 2013 #169

Don't be such an "intolerant, ugly minded bitch" and call names. Coyotl Nov 2013 #107

I use to be a pro lifer marlakay Nov 2013 #31

Glad you came around. Too bad for your daughter & high school friend you didn't come around sooner. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #70

Obviously you didn't read what I said marlakay Nov 2013 #71

You're right. I don't know you. I just go by what you post. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #73

Whether it did or not marlakay Nov 2013 #111

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #89

We cry because of the rigged game of spiritual, social and economic inequality we get born to. ancianita Nov 2013 #39

Amazing post get the red out Nov 2013 #159

Have been through two abortions (on the male side of the equation), and neither was easy villager Nov 2013 #51

They were not meant to be born, yet HockeyMom Nov 2013 #53

i hear what you are saying, and in a spiritual sense, i can take it a step beyond. seabeyond Nov 2013 #57

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #56

Apologize for flame bait and then post another one? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #58

I support you on both your choice AND any threads you want to make. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #65

If anything, we should have more "purity tests" YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #66

Exactly. We need to own it. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #79

If anything... we should could keep our opinions/ideas/judgments out of ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #114

Still whining about this? Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #72

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #82

I'm not ashamed of my decision either. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #86

I am sorry that anyone has said anything like that to you, especially here. renie408 Nov 2013 #93

But it's ok for YOU to call me an ""intolerant, ugly minded bitch"? You're off the rails. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #95

I was going to alert on the comment that she directed at you, Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #101

And she's flagged for review. eek PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #103

No she's not. Try harder. rug Nov 2013 #120

She was. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #121

Well, now it's been corrected. rug Nov 2013 #123

lol, she's had 3 replies in this thread hidden and an OP locked yesterday. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #124

And only one before this thread. rug Nov 2013 #125

OOOh, buy her a cookie!! PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #127

Why don't you just keep alerting? Something is bound to stick. rug Nov 2013 #138

lol. I only alerted on one. And one does not get 3 hides in one thread for mere "disagreement". PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #140

No, it usually happens when someone is persistently attacked in a thread where she shares painful rug Nov 2013 #141

as if. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #143

A stunning rebuttal. rug Nov 2013 #146

thanks! PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #147

as if rug Nov 2013 #148

She was flagged for review. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #139

She's no longer. rug Nov 2013 #142

You were perfectly willing to talk out of your ass before Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #150

You used the wrong preposition. rug Nov 2013 #151

Ho hum. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #152

Yeah, I am done with that one, too. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #153

Somehow I doubt that. Adults tend to discuss rather than swarm. rug Nov 2013 #154

I'm fairly sure you were in those threads about adoption being better than abortion. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #145

She can't answer. She's locked out of this thread with THREE hides in it (should be more) for saying PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #149

Ah. I'm typing from my phone so didn't see the whole thread. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #155

Renie, your post illustrates what I have been saying here for a long time and that is CTyankee Nov 2013 #109

+ a gazillion n/t Scout Nov 2013 #144

I think people react to the Theocrats get the red out Nov 2013 #158

People will have different feelings about having an abortion gollygee Nov 2013 #163

You can't stop people from posting their opinions on here newcriminal Nov 2013 #165

I should have continued my thought gollygee Nov 2013 #166

THANK YOU!! "And some of the hard time women have is because we've created this aura of guilt... bettyellen Nov 2013 #170