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Octafish

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64. Dr. Robert McClelland in Trauma Room One
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:51 AM
Nov 2013

by Brad Parker

After Charles Crenshaw, M.D., perhaps no Parkland physician-witness to John F. Kennedy's wounds has drawn more criticism than Robert McClelland, M.D. In order to help me sort fact from fiction, I contacted Dr. McClelland in 1992, and he was gracious enough to answer my questions. Based on my interview, and other evidence, I believe Dr. McClelland's credibility holds up extremely well, and his information, which has remained remarkably consistant for over thirty years, cannot be ignored.

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Another of Posner's favorite sources for refuting the wounds consistently described by Dr. McClelland is Dr. James Carrico. "We never had the opportunity to review his wounds in order to describe them accurately. We were trying to save his life," he told Posner (Posner 309). However, Dr. Carrico apparently observed the wounds well enough to describe them in great detail during a sworn statement to Arlen Specter on March 24, 1964:

Specter: "Would you describe as precisely for me as possible the nature of the wound which you observed on the President?"
Carrico: "The wound that I saw was a large gaping wound, located in the right occipitoparietal area. I would estimate to be 5 to 7 cm. (sic) in size, more or less circular with avulsions of the calvarium and scalp tissue. As I stated before, I believe there was shredded macerated cerebral and cerebellar tissues in both the wounds and on the fragments of skull attached to the dura" (emphasis added throughout) (6WCH 5-6).


During questioning by the HSCA's Andy Purdy in 1978, Dr. Carrico again described "...a fairly large wound in the right side of the head, in the parietal, occipital area. One could see blood and brains, both cerebellum and cerebrum fragments in that wound" (emphasis added) (7HSCA 268). On Purdy's urging, Dr. Carrico became more detailed in his descriptions:

Carrico: "The head wound was a much larger wound than the neck wound. It was five by seven centimeters, something like that, 2 1/2 by 3 (sic) inches, ragged, had blood and hair all around it, located in part of the parietal occipital region" (emphasis added).
Purdy: "Could you just state in layman's terms the approximate place that would be?"
Carrico: "That would be above and posterior to the ear, almost from the crown of the head, there was brain tissue showing through" (emphasis added) (7HSCA 278).

By 1992, however, he had mysteriously changed his opinion:

"We did say we saw shattered brain, cerebellum, in the cortex area, and I think we were mistaken. The reason I say that is that the President was lying on his back and shoulders, and you could see the hole, with the scalp and brain tissue hanging down his head, and it covered most of the occipital portion of his head. We saw a large hole in the right side of his head. I don't believe we saw any occipital bone. It was not there. It was parietal bone. And if we said otherwise, we were mistaken" (Posner 311).


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Dr. McClelland is unique in that not only did he have ample opportunity to examine President Kennedy's wounds, but his recollections, confirmed by his and others' early evidence, have remained consistent for over thirty years. This is in stark contrast to several Parkland physicians, most notably the incredible Dr. Jenkins, cited by Gerald Posner as critical of Dr. McClelland. More than once, Dr. Jenkins' and others' criticisms are undermined by their previous sworn testimony. It is ironic that in a book which claimed to have closed the case on the Kennedy assassination, Posner unquestionably relied so heavily upon such inconsistent sources. What is even more ironic is that Posner, a highly educated professional, was apparently ignorant of such contradictions. The same can be said for The Journal of the American Medical Association, whose claim of "Closing the Case in JAMA on the John F. Kennedy Autopsy" (Lundberg 1736- 738) is contradicted by the earlier statements of some of their key witnesses, as put forth in the Breo series of 1992 (Breo, "JFK's Death - Part I," 2794-2803; Breo, "JFK's Death - Part II," 2804-2807; Breo, "JFK's Death - Part III," 1748-1754).

CONTINUED w References...

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace../09/fp.back_issues/16th_Issue/mcclelland.html


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figures gopiscrap Nov 2013 #1
That's what I was told newfie11 Nov 2013 #2
I wonder how he saw that as the attending surgeon testified stopbush Nov 2013 #3
Dr. McClelland appears to support Karmadillo Nov 2013 #4
It says in the article that he picked the President's head up. Maraya1969 Nov 2013 #5
You'll reach for anything, won't you? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #26
The Parkland doctors were driven to invention Ace Acme Nov 2013 #66
Ha ha. Thumbs up. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #69
What a load of bullshit Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #6
Please explain. nt Javaman Nov 2013 #18
I have further down thread. What a waste of our time Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #19
you have a few reponces, which one? please give me the reponce #. Thanks. nt Javaman Nov 2013 #36
The doctors at Parkland never saw the back of Kennedy's head. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #7
Wrong. Octafish Nov 2013 #43
No, it is you who are wrong, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #44
McClelland was there. He reported what he saw. Octafish Nov 2013 #47
In order for the back of Kennedy's head to be blown out? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #52
Have you seen this? Samantha Nov 2013 #58
The autopsy doctors were there. They reported what they saw. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #60
Octafish, please give it up. There was NO conspiracy. n/t duffyduff Nov 2013 #97
Not until Oswald is proven to be a hero!!! zappaman Nov 2013 #101
..... GoneFishin Nov 2013 #104
That's not what he said in 1988: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #46
McClelland reported what he saw. Posner reported what he wanted to say. Octafish Nov 2013 #48
And Jerome Corsi is a JFK conspiracy theorist. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #49
''So you can take that and stuff it up there where you get the rest of your ideas.'' Octafish Nov 2013 #50
No, the subject... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #51
No, that's bullshit generated for the likes of you. For those interested in learning... Octafish Nov 2013 #53
So the autopsy photos, X-rays, and Zapruder film are all faked? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #54
Scary, huh? Octafish Nov 2013 #55
I see, you can't actually read. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #56
Eyewitnesses have stated that is not what they saw. Octafish Nov 2013 #57
And? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #59
Awww looky he posted a huge reply in hopes it would magically prove him right! Rex Nov 2013 #61
The thing they never mention is how the CIA LIED to the Warren Commission. Octafish Nov 2013 #65
The evidence proves me right. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #83
Did you read the reply? Didn't think so. stopbush Nov 2013 #108
Yeah, Posner is a liar, Bugliosi is a liar, the Warren Commission were liars, etc. duffyduff Nov 2013 #98
Don't forget the doctors...they lied too. zappaman Nov 2013 #99
Anybody. And I mean ANYBODY watching Zapruder film Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #8
I saw organic matter fly upwards. Bonobo Nov 2013 #14
I saw a mist cloud of organic matter from front right of his head exploding Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #16
It happens just like this...graphic warning...watermelon destruction HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #40
WARNING: GRAPHIC - Here is Zapruder frame 313. Ejecta goes FORWARD and upward. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #21
IDK, ricochet plus not full front, but grassy knoll area? Bonobo Nov 2013 #24
Trajectory analysis says no Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #28
Thanks, my thoughts exactly. bobGandolf Nov 2013 #89
Quite conclusive to me in that photo, as horrible as it is. Hoyt Nov 2013 #29
I find the grassy knoll belief is rooted in a lack of physics understanding. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #37
That or physics is in on the conspiracy too. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #45
Yeah, because physics rules out advance knowledge. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #70
I'm obviously talking about the people who insist that explosives were used. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #71
No, you go further... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #72
You've obviously read too much into it. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #75
Well then, if you are open... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #88
Looks like a shot right through the back bottom of the seat, slightly towards the rear bumper Cronus Protagonist Nov 2013 #76
In the video I saw, it showed a piece of his head/skull flying back onto the trunk of polly7 Nov 2013 #9
You are full of it. No such authentic video exists Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #11
Nah ........ it wasn't in any dream and no, I'm not full of it. polly7 Nov 2013 #12
No, that happened Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #27
From Clint Hill's memoir FedUpWithIt All Nov 2013 #31
The back of Kennedy's head did not explode. (Warning: graphic images.) Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #32
Clint Hill, the agent on the trunk says she was reaching for a piece of his skull dflprincess Nov 2013 #15
Yes, the Zapruder film shows Mrs Kennedy climbing onto the back of the car of retrieve something struggle4progress Nov 2013 #23
JFK didn't have an entry and exit wound on his head. The bullet took a chunk off. Dash87 Nov 2013 #10
Was Kennedy not dead as soon as his head exploded? FLyellowdog Nov 2013 #13
to all intents and purposes, yes Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #20
Thanks. Amazing that he even had a pulse. nt FLyellowdog Nov 2013 #30
Isn't it more likely he was physically dead JimDandy Nov 2013 #77
Re: "intimidation" - from Curtis' 1964 testimony Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #17
I wasn't there, but if there was intimidation by Specter, Karmadillo Nov 2013 #22
Specter had to remind Curtis to talk about the hemotoma he'd mentioned Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #25
Again, if there was intimidation, it was likely off the record before Karmadillo Nov 2013 #33
It was a big nasty wound on the side of his head. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #34
The witnesses are pretty specific about Karmadillo Nov 2013 #35
Anyone locating the wound solely in the back of the head is wrong. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #38
All these people who were there are wrong and you're right. I guess Karmadillo Nov 2013 #41
That's what we have autopsies for - to establish under calm and measurable circumstances Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #42
Not sure if JFK's autopsy qualifies as Karmadillo Nov 2013 #62
Eyewitness accounts often disagree with each other and the autopsy results. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #63
Gosh. Witnesses in Bethesda support witnesses in Parkland on the blow out. Karmadillo Nov 2013 #67
And other witnesses disagree with them. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #68
Have the photos really been authenticated? Bolo Boffin says yes, but Karmadillo Nov 2013 #114
The HSCA said that, not little old me. I'm just passing it on. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #115
So now you've moved from they're authenticated to it stands to reason that despite Karmadillo Nov 2013 #116
No, the photos and X-rays have been authenticated. I've not moved from that at all. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #117
That's consistent w/Malcolm Kilduff's press conference .. MinM Nov 2013 #39
Dr. Robert McClelland in Trauma Room One Octafish Nov 2013 #64
"(McClelland's) recollections... have remained consistent for over thirty years." You are wrong. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #73
Obviously, the BFEE got him to change his story. N/t zappaman Nov 2013 #74
I don't understand why you make fun of the BFEE, zappaman. Octafish Nov 2013 #79
McClelland was there. He reported what he saw. Octafish Nov 2013 #78
No, he has not been consistent for fifty years. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #80
Poor Bolo Boffin. Don't get mad because McClelland reported what he saw. Octafish Nov 2013 #81
Who's mad? Not me. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #82
McClelland reported what he saw. Bugliosi wasn't there. Octafish Nov 2013 #84
McClelland was wrong. The autopsy pictures and photos prove this. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #85
Bolo Boffin, you couldn't be more wrong. Octafish Nov 2013 #86
The HSCA verified the autopsy photos and pictures were authentic. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #87
Bullshit. Octafish Nov 2013 #92
Sorry, Octafish. The HSCA did indeed verify the autopsy photos and X-rays. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #93
The record shows CIA caught red-handed altering evidence. Octafish Nov 2013 #95
Octafish. You're exaggerating. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #111
The flailing about on display is rather sad. zappaman Nov 2013 #112
You've reached the point of comic absurdity, Octa. stopbush Nov 2013 #109
Why oh why.... bobGandolf Nov 2013 #90
I assert it shouldn't even BE debated fifty years later. We have the technology that duffyduff Nov 2013 #103
Will someone just tell us the fucking truth. For once? Just once? Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #91
You will only get the truth long after anyone who was alive at the time is long dead. former9thward Nov 2013 #94
The truth was known within an HOUR of the assassination. The police arrested the killer. duffyduff Nov 2013 #100
That's what Allen Dulles and the CIA want you to believe. Octafish Nov 2013 #106
They arrested Oswald after he killed a cop. zappaman Nov 2013 #107
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #96
Hoover "hated" the Kennedy's with a passion. Lint Head Nov 2013 #102
Exactly. There would never have been documents classified or held back from public view if LHO was GoneFishin Nov 2013 #105
Yeah. Just like the way they held back info on Project Mogul stopbush Nov 2013 #110
Sorry. I don't know anything about that. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #113
Kick. n/t area51 Nov 2013 #118
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