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1. Americans (many) have always been jerks (or at least had selfish motivations)
Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:57 AM
Nov 2013

The biggest flaw in the ACA is that it assumed everyone would suddenly start to cooperate

* insurance CEOs would be happy with more customers and not want to keep increasing profit/policy

* insurance CEOs would treat the MLR as intended rather than as "a reduction of medical costs means a reduction in profit while increase in medical costs (and premiums) is the only way to increase profit on ACA policies"

* corporate CEOs would not cut hours to 29/week or drop insurance when it's in their financial interest

* healthy people without insurance would choose a more expensive policy over the tax

* republicans who were against the ACA when it passed would cooperate in it's implementation

* medical providers and pharma would reduce costs of services and drugs

* doctors and hospital would take lower reimbursement rates rather than focus on non-ACA patients

* people who's insurance got worse would not raise a big stink

* unions would be ok paying $63/policy (like all other policies) for the next 3 years to make sure insurance companies stay in the exchanges

In the first 2, the CEOs may be legally obligated to do what's in the best interest of their shareholders and are in a bind if they want to cooperate with the ACA.

You just can't get 300 million people to work together when many of them will need to go against their own self-interest. Single-payer is the only way to accomplish the objectives of the ACA.




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Americans (many) have always been jerks (or at least had selfish motivations) alc Nov 2013 #1
That's quite sad. Still ... k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #2
"Obamacare Shows How Americans Are Becoming Jerks" Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #3
Bingo n/t Fumesucker Nov 2013 #25
Most people want the government to provide, so long as it doesn't cost them anything personally. dawg Nov 2013 #4
Maybe people are just realizing that government can't do everything. badtoworse Nov 2013 #5
It can't do everything. But one thing government *can* do ... dawg Nov 2013 #7
+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #26
that's not true. governments in nations less wealthy than ours do all those things and more CreekDog Nov 2013 #22
I've spent time in a fair number of countries and I haven't seen it. How about some examples. badtoworse Nov 2013 #23
Germany, for example, strong anti poverty programs, strong funding of infrastructure CreekDog Nov 2013 #24
They don't have a military to speak of. That's not a realistic option for us. badtoworse Nov 2013 #28
Reducing our military spending is not an option? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #31
Of course it is and I'd like to see it. badtoworse Nov 2013 #34
Maybe response #5 it is time for you to go back Stargazer99 Nov 2013 #27
Then again, maybe people were responding to the WORDING of the question kenny blankenship Nov 2013 #29
Good observation as to the first point - that's a subtlety I missed. badtoworse Nov 2013 #30
Besides the bad economy, the growth of the Intenet and decline of mass media probably plays a role FarCenter Nov 2013 #6
My wife and I were talking this morning about how we're noticing deutsey Nov 2013 #8
SMH Mr Dixon Nov 2013 #9
Americans may be looking at their paychecks and wondering seveneyes Nov 2013 #10
You win the thread (beginner's luck?) kenny blankenship Nov 2013 #18
nice title hfojvt Nov 2013 #11
The CBO should analyze Federal Single Payer coverage JNinWB Nov 2013 #12
The more corporations/1% - aided by "our" gov't - shit on people... polichick Nov 2013 #13
I wonder how many would approve if we had single payer LittleBlue Nov 2013 #14
After you raised their taxes by a bunch and took away every single American's insurance geek tragedy Nov 2013 #15
You mean, after we give everyone healthcare instead of insurance? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #16
As I noted above JNinWB Nov 2013 #19
If you look at countries with government-run healthcare systems LittleBlue Nov 2013 #21
Who would put together the computer systems for the new national government-run geek tragedy Nov 2013 #20
"Jerks" B2G Nov 2013 #17
You overestimate the character of the American people Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #32
More are not B2G Nov 2013 #33
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