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HooptieWagon

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153. Thats a lot of what ifs.

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 03:01 PM

Nov 2013

RFK didn't enter the 68 primary until late, so reopening the investigation was a low priority. Of course he could have run in '64 too.
And you are ignoring the fact that Warren made it a point to ask RFK if anything was being left out. RFK could have spoken up then, with the backing and protection of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. He replied there was nothing more to add. What he was hiding was MONGOOSE and other illegal CIA operations, which he and JFK were in to up to their eyebrows. And the CIA didn't reveal their Oswald files...which could be hiding the content, or HOW THEY WERE OBTAINED.
None of this implies a CIA conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy, merely a CIA conspiracy to conceal illegal operations similar to what the Curch investigation revealed. We shall find out in 2017 when the files are released.

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Let's have a poll on JFK [View all] JackRiddler Nov 2013 OP

Colonel Mustard! hrmjustin Nov 2013 #1

Hell no! It was Miss Scarlett, in the kitchen, with a candlestick! 11 Bravo Nov 2013 #76

Was not. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #80

LBJ billhicks76 Nov 2013 #101

JFK was Behind Benghazi Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #149

Yeah, a coup by the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Security-Lobbyist complex Ace Acme Nov 2013 #154

Someone needs to get out more. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #160

Yeah. You! nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #161

Woooo...zing..such a searing riposte! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #164

That's all the comment deserved. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #167

See #160 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #168

LOL! zappaman Nov 2013 #170

You flatter yourself. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #188

Whatever you say! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #189

Good one! zappaman Nov 2013 #190

The Formics? Agschmid Nov 2013 #2

Let's get some votes between now and the 22nd. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #3

Wanna Have Your Mind Blown??? billhicks76 Nov 2013 #102

Right Wingers gopiscrap Nov 2013 #4

What gopiscrap said. BlueJazz Nov 2013 #52

The Mafia is not very ideological. former9thward Nov 2013 #92

I disagree. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #116

Well, I'll give you they are pro-capitalist and most of those other things former9thward Nov 2013 #117

"Right-wing" JackRiddler Nov 2013 #118

I equate right wing with a lack of social services combined with an authoritarian governing style. former9thward Nov 2013 #119

Okay, this is semantics. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #123

Just so there is no misunderstanding. former9thward Nov 2013 #124

I saw a good progam on the History channel recently about the Mob vs. the KKK. hughee99 Nov 2013 #216

Another one? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #5

Thanks for the kick. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #6

You're welcome. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #7

Is the camel in the tent yet?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #8

Sid, you're silly. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #12

LOL!!! - Exactly What Does "Other" Mean Here ??? WillyT Nov 2013 #9

How dare you deny my Fidel Castro, the Freemasons, and Ancient Aliens theory of the assassination. JVS Nov 2013 #20

i'm not saying it was aliens... dionysus Nov 2013 #25

See post #23 zappaman Nov 2013 #27

bastard. now, if only we had a crack investigative journalist eho could solve the JFK mystery once dionysus Nov 2013 #29

There is already a crack team on it... zappaman Nov 2013 #32

As you know there is a proliferation of theories. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #21

I don't know who was responsible, Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #10

Yes, that is how I and most other people I know feel. It's an unsolved murder and hopefully sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #34

I'm in that camp as well. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #51

Me, Too ProfessorGAC Nov 2013 #73

It was time-travelling JFK himself, on the grassy knoll petronius Nov 2013 #11

What the heck is going on? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #13

"Outlawed"? That would never happen. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #14

Not a "forum". A "group". You of all people should know that. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #136

Whatever. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #195

When you spend time checking facts and sourcing quotes Ace Acme Nov 2013 #197

Free advertising is the tradeoff for your hurt feelings after your research is critiqued? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #198

I welcome critique. I have learned a lot from critique. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #207

That's not what's happening. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #211

I think Abe...err...Ace might be a tad confused. zappaman Nov 2013 #214

Are "serious researchers" anything like the "legitimate truth movement"? n/t zappaman Nov 2013 #199

Ha, CS is a POS forum whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #169

And you must have specific examples of this. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #196

I banned myself the day it opened whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #201

That's not anything the hosts did. That's your doing. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #206

Oh this will solve the mystery for sure. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #15

No one purports that it would. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #26

A majority of Americans believe in angels. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #35

And this is not what I said. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #36

Fringe, no, ignorant and uninformed and akin to religious belief? Yes. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #37

I agree with the faith part. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #40

Not really Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #41

Ah, but the mafia killer did mosey on to DPD HQ JackRiddler Nov 2013 #42

"Mafia killer"? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #48

Funny that Oswald's "Fair Play" address... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #54

And...............crickets. robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #66

His employee, Jada, said on TV on Sunday 11-24-63 that Ruby didn't like JFK and hated RFK. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #78

No, there are no "videotapes" because the technology didn't exist in 1963. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #81

Commercial videotape technology... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #87

Not "widely available" in 1951. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #88

Widely available at TV stations by 1963, of course. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #90

Sure, there's television footage, but so? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #100

You're the Duracell bunny for distractions. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #108

"Set of false generalisations"... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #112

French Captain Alfred Dreyfus may or may not agree with your premise... LanternWaste Nov 2013 #97

It's funny that the people in this debate who... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #109

Ain't it funny how shit happens in this random and chaotic world! Ace Acme Nov 2013 #138

Oh so its a number game. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #46

Not at all. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #49

LHO did it alone based on the known facts. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #53

If this were an election, the anti-WC candidate would be getting a rain of confetti nyquil_man Nov 2013 #65

This isn't an election... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #68

No, this is a poll whose results agree with your biases. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #69

You're completely missing the point. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #140

I saw the point quite clearly, thank you. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #152

You're still missing the point. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #157

Again, so what? nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #159

So nothing. Miss the point if you want to. I tried. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #162

You should have stopped at "nothing," nyquil_man Nov 2013 #165

I'd guess that they're not getting the case reopened because Ace Acme Nov 2013 #171

You seem so certain of the outcome. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #172

A majority of DUers seem to agree on a theory. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #173

You consider "CIA, etc" a theory? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #174

Read a couple of books and you won't need to ask. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #178

You don't know your own theory? nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #181

Course not. zappaman Nov 2013 #184

It's all over this thread... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #179

Still not specific. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #180

Why not have an investigation and find out? What a concept, eh? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #183

Ace Acme disagrees with you, Ace Acme. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #186

That was some fast reading! JackRiddler Nov 2013 #185

And you run right back to attacking the Warren Commission. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #187

No, your game is a diversion. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #192

So you're attacking one theory without providing a better alternative? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #193

You seem to have trouble understanding. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #200

You seem to confuse your beliefs with facts. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #208

You have strange notions of epistemology, nyquil Ace Acme Nov 2013 #203

And you think that any attempt at a new investigation is doomed to failure. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #209

Whenever someone tells me what I think, inevitably they're showing only Ace Acme Nov 2013 #217

What about when they quote you? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #218

When they paraphrase a quote out of context they confuse themselves. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #220

And this is why you don't try? nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #221

I wouldn't ask my Congress POS for a glass of water if my mustache was on fire. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #222

I'm touched that you'd rather waste your time arguing with me. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #223

And tell me, dear Jack, nyquil_man Nov 2013 #191

These poll results are making some people really cranky California_here Nov 2013 #47

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #63

Oswald and the CiA are not necessarily separate options. bemildred Nov 2013 #16

However... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #28

Not 100% sure, but I do know more than just Oswald was in on it! B Calm Nov 2013 #17

Other H2O Man Nov 2013 #18

That would obviously be Choice 2. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #30

. Little Star Nov 2013 #31

I voted 3. I think 2 is likely but it might be organized crime instead of military and intelligence JVS Nov 2013 #19

other; we don't know for sure exactly what happened. dionysus Nov 2013 #22

Well... zappaman Nov 2013 #23

JFK was taking on the big banks and the Federal Reserve, woo me with science Nov 2013 #24

I don't think that he was doing that. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #38

The Warren Commission's report was flawed. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #33

So that's option (2) or (3). JackRiddler Nov 2013 #39

"Knew of" sort of the "LIHOP" zipplewrath Nov 2013 #43

I Am Undecided Liberal_Dog Nov 2013 #44

there is so much information available now xiamiam Nov 2013 #45

It's not so shocking... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #50

before the internet, we had to buy books or get them from the library xiamiam Nov 2013 #56

Yes and no. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #58

I've found that smart people are even better than the rest of us Ace Acme Nov 2013 #143

I'm shocked anyone still thinks he didn't. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #55

even congress? the church committee did not believe oswald acted alone xiamiam Nov 2013 #57

I think you mean the HSCA. nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #61

yes..ty..nt xiamiam Nov 2013 #62

Once again: all of them: El Supremo Nov 2013 #59

operation 40 xiamiam Nov 2013 #60

Brian Epstein Seeking Serenity Nov 2013 #64

That's funny :) Pendrench Nov 2013 #146

Thank you. Seeking Serenity Nov 2013 #205

Other KamaAina Nov 2013 #67

Tuesday kick. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #70

I think there was a lot of anti-JFK sentiment from the powers that be ailsagirl Nov 2013 #71

Actually, thousands of pages of documents are still suppressed... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #74

I think he acted with someone and that it was widely known. HijackedLabel Nov 2013 #72

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #77

Lean toward Oswald alone. moondust Nov 2013 #75

It's not hard to imagine but what do the facts say? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #79

Believe what you will. moondust Nov 2013 #83

Belief is what you're offering here. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #84

I've been waiting for a thread like this for weeks hoping to find the answers mountain grammy Nov 2013 #82

the day reddread Nov 2013 #85

Results as of Nov 14 (200 votes) JackRiddler Nov 2013 #86

Yay, truthiness! Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #93

Evasion JackRiddler Nov 2013 #94

But you are wrong. Oswald was the only shooter that day. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #95

Garrison? Union Scribe Nov 2013 #107

Clay Shaw? The CIA asset? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #110

That's why he went after Shaw. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #120

The CIA as you know lied... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #121

It never fails. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #89

"Occam's Razor" JackRiddler Nov 2013 #91

More like I stop trying to figure it out because I get tired. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #111

I vote Oswald alone. DanTex Nov 2013 #96

Sure, here are a couple of books... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #98

Thanks. I'll start with the video since I'm lazy. DanTex Nov 2013 #99

I think Johnson had him killed marlakay Nov 2013 #103

We will never know joesdaughter Nov 2013 #104

We already do know... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #115

Our Government is far too incompetent.... Oakenshield Nov 2013 #105

This is a hilarious idea. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #114

JFK. Blwon away. That is all I have to say. Chuck Smythe Nov 2013 #106

In all honesty... pipi_k Nov 2013 #113

Oswald was sheep dip Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #122

All that about the Minox camera? Nonsense. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #127

Fidel Castro's speech on Nov. 22, 1963 JackRiddler Nov 2013 #125

Shortly before he died, Gerald Ford..... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #126

This requires a lot of faith - misplaced faith. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #128

None of which explains RFK's silence. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #129

You answered your own question. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #148

Thats a lot of what ifs. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #153

How do you know what RFK's priorities were? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #158

Not faith...logic. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #130

By your logic the invasion of Iraq could never have happened Ace Acme Nov 2013 #150

It wasn't kept secret, was it? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #155

Oh, the killing of JFK was a secret? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #156

Warren was a very mixed bag. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #147

Four days to 50. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #131

I guess most of us are CT'ists here after all. Jamastiene Nov 2013 #132

Well said but I contest the terms. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #133

"Where New JFK Evidence Points" by Jim Di Eugenio JackRiddler Nov 2013 #134

Thank you. Bookmarked for reading later today. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #202

Find the people who killed Harry Ruby fadedrose Nov 2013 #135

After years of thinking there had to be something/someone else, I visited ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #137

thank you for posting this poll. It should help to put a few bullies in their place DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #139

So advocacy of evidence rather than conjecture and suppostion is "bullying"? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #141

Obviously not, but thanks for stepping forward. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #144

I'm not sure precisely what you're talking about. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #145

No, bullying is bullying. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #177

Hah. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #224

There's been a conspiracy to suppress evidence, no question. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #151

I think Oswald shot Kennedy but he did not act alone Samantha Nov 2013 #142

Probably Oswald but whether he had co-conspirators or encouragement from someone else JDPriestly Nov 2013 #163

I've always believed that Oswald acted alone AND there was a conspiracy. Xithras Nov 2013 #166

Kind of the opposite... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #176

Not really Xithras Nov 2013 #194

Demand the evidence then... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #204

I have Xithras Nov 2013 #212

Very much depends... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #215

I think poppy was involved madokie Nov 2013 #175

Absolutely! zappaman Nov 2013 #182

I think he wasn't YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #226

Other: The GOP's desire for world domination is nothing new........ wandy Nov 2013 #210

The Democrats' desire for world domination is pretty obvious too. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #219

So really it is a poll about who killed JFK. nt Deep13 Nov 2013 #213

Omg, you're right! JackRiddler Nov 2013 #229

I voted CIA etc. And I refuse to feel embarrassed by that. n/t truth2power Nov 2013 #225

My buddy Jamey Hecht says: JackRiddler Nov 2013 #227

One day to go, 322 votes, results remain steady JackRiddler Nov 2013 #228

Sen Gary Hart: 'American Journalism Never Followed Up On (JFK) Story" JackRiddler Nov 2013 #230

The late that night bump JackRiddler Nov 2013 #231

Results as of Nov. 25 JackRiddler Nov 2013 #232