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Hoyt

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22. I suspect if people knew how expensive Medicare for all would be, they'd still gripe.

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 04:45 PM

Nov 2013

Medicare has no annual cap on out-of-pocket-costs, and the government couldn't develop the systems necessary to administer it without insurance companies. In the best of worlds it would be 10, maybe 15% less than exchange policies right now. People would scream more than they are now. Longterm, we could probably do more to control costs, but not right now.

Personally, I think we are better off letting insurance companies take the risks, invest in the systems, take the heat, etc., in shortterm and then dump them for single payer if they can't keep up with what is needed to provide affordable care.

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Imagine Single-Payer Healthcare and what the reaction would be. [View all] MineralMan Nov 2013 OP

I think you are exactly right. Everyone's thinking -providers, government, even consumer/patients Hoyt Nov 2013 #1

Companies would drop health insurance coverage for almost EVERYONE if Single Payer passed. NOVA_Dem Nov 2013 #14

Of course they would because no one would need insurance at all. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #31

If we are going to have the complaints, whining and screaming anyway, it would have been nice Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #2

I'd rather have that, too. But the reason we don't have it is MineralMan Nov 2013 #5

No, we got something far to the right of what the nation was asking for. woo me with science Nov 2013 #12

Yes, I know that's your opinion. MineralMan Nov 2013 #13

Nothing is possible when it is quietly and deliberately taken off the table. woo me with science Nov 2013 #26

We didn't hear about it because the richest folks don't support it - TBF Nov 2013 #29

I think you're right for the most part. woo me with science Nov 2013 #36

While I agree,he was going to be accused of sufrommich Nov 2013 #3

The President of The United States cannot make laws. MineralMan Nov 2013 #7

Yes,I'm aware of that. Obamacare is called sufrommich Nov 2013 #9

He chose not to fight for a public option woo me with science Nov 2013 #10

100% pure woo. nt tridim Nov 2013 #19

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #20

Welcome to DU arcane1 Nov 2013 #25

Maybe the leaders/corps would be screaming but the people would be happy. polichick Nov 2013 #4

Not all of the people. I can promise that. MineralMan Nov 2013 #6

+1000000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #8

I suspect if people knew how expensive Medicare for all would be, they'd still gripe. Hoyt Nov 2013 #22

Other than the insurance industry,I doubt that most sufrommich Nov 2013 #11

I think you're right. I'd also add much of the healthcare provider industry and MineralMan Nov 2013 #15

I'm not really disagreeing with you,I just sufrommich Nov 2013 #21

Obamacare looks very much like means-tested Medicaid. FarCenter Nov 2013 #32

That's who I meant - the insurance companies, the ones who helped write the ACA. polichick Nov 2013 #18

That's why I think the path to single payer goes through a public option path. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #16

I'm certain it will have to be a process. MineralMan Nov 2013 #17

A voluntary public option may sufrommich Nov 2013 #23

yup ... once you put it in the State exchanges, you have the competition you need. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #24

That matters little. What we need is universal subsidized access to the exchanges TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #45

I know some American expats in Japan who hated the national health system when Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #27

Yes. You pay for MineralMan Nov 2013 #41

"and everyone benefits according to their need" FarCenter Nov 2013 #28

Need? If you are sick you get care. MineralMan Nov 2013 #40

Most of the Industrial world does not in fact have 'single payer'. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #30

We have the network in place and it's very popular Chisox08 Nov 2013 #33

Exactly. MineralMan Nov 2013 #39

I know what my reaction would be. Deep13 Nov 2013 #34

"Everyone pays according to their income and everyone benefits according to their need." Martin Eden Nov 2013 #35

I think we need Marx in both places - TBF Nov 2013 #37

Yes. Healthcare should be a socialist system. MineralMan Nov 2013 #38

If our tax structure were more progressive, only the wealthy would complain. Laelth Nov 2013 #42

We don't have it because too many of our leaders truebluegreen Nov 2013 #43

Nonsense. The ACA is a corporate first model first proposed by Mitt Romney. Romulox Nov 2013 #44