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In reply to the discussion: Don Curtis, Parkland resident, on JFK assassination: "the posterior part of his head was blown out." [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)81. Poor Bolo Boffin. Don't get mad because McClelland reported what he saw.
Here's what a real doctor has to say:
Review of Reclaiming History
by Gary L. Aguilar, 21 Dec 2007
Ed note: This review first appeared in the Nov/Dec issue of The Federal Lawyer.
"
A)lthough there have been hundreds of books on the (JFK) assassination," Vincent Bugliosi writes in the introduction to Reclaiming History, "no book has even attempted to be a comprehensive and fair evaluation of the entire (italics in original) case, including all of the major conspiracy theories." Indeed, no book has not even this 1612-page book, supplemented by a CD-rom containing 958 pages of endnotes although not because it is too short.
The gigantic swing that Bugliosi takes is easily the most ambitious one-person undertaking ever published on the Kennedy assassination. Bugliosi, the famous Charles Manson prosecutor, devotes more than 1400 pages of text and endnotes to "reclaiming" the lost truth as first set forth by the Warren Commission. He then devotes 900 more pages of text and endnotes to pounding myriad conspiracy theorists whose efforts over the years, Bugliosi claims, have wrought a grave injustice on the Commission and performed a "flagrant disservice to the American public."
It is not just that critics have convinced 75 percent of Americans (Bugliosis figure) to reject the official truth, which he says happens to be the real truth. These critics, Bugliosi contends, are also responsible for a widespread loss of faith in once-respected institutions. Such widespread skepticism, "gestating for decades in the nations marrow," he writes, "obviously has to have had a deleterious effect on the way Americans view those who lead them and determine their destiny. Indeed, Jefferson Morley, former Washington editor of the Nation, observes that Kennedys assassination has been 'a kind of national Rorschach test of the American political psyche. What Americans think about the Kennedy assassination reveals what they think about their government.'" To those who might wonder if more than 1600 pages of text and 900 pages of endnotes were really necessary, Bugliosi says that the problem is so severe that nothing less would have sufficed.
Although Warren Commission skeptics might not welcome this gargantuan new salvo, there is no denying that Bugliosis Herculean effort is an historic and important contribution. It is valuable not only as a reference for the myriad facts in the case and for debunking some of the pro-conspiracy codswallop that has not elsewhere already been debunked (most of it has been, if one has the time to find it). The books use also lies in demonstrating that it may not be possible for one person to fully master, or give a fair accounting of, this impossibly tangled mess of a case. In fact, despite Bugliosis pugnacious pummeling, he hasnt laid a glove on major elements of the case for conspiracy.
And, regrettably, it must be said that the most distinguishing characteristic of this book is its demagogic pugnacity. Bugliosi cleaves the world of opinion holders neatly in two sensible Warren Commission loyalists and conscious evildoers, the "conspiracy theorists." He allows, however, for the occasional sincere dupe. Although his prosecutorial, conclusions-driven style is redolent of Gerald Posners in Case Closed, the last attorney-written book to defend the Warren Commission, Bugliosis endless self-congratulation and his arrogant condescension make his book far more insufferable.
These traits may have served Bugliosi well as a Los Angeles County prosecutor where, he boasts, he won felony convictions in 105 of 106 jury trials. They may have helped him knock out true-crime books, including his famous book about the Manson murders, Helter Skelter. But his arrogance is of little use in untangling the hopelessly conflicted facts in this 44-year old national tragedy. His incessantly hurling slurs such as "deranged conspiracy theorist," "crackpot," "con man," "kook," and "huckster" at virtually all critics inevitably carries a whiff of buffoonery and anxious self-promotion about it. And thats particularly the case when hes flat-out wrong on the facts.
A typical example is Bugliosis mocking of skeptics who say that Robert Kennedy was, to borrow from Bugliosi, a "conspiracy theorist." He counters not with an informed discussion, but by producing an RFK quotation of support for the Warren Commission. Ironically, in the very week that Bugliosis book premiered, a new best-selling book by David Talbot, Brothers, was published proffering book-length documentation of something skeptics have long known and Bugliosi could have known if he had really looked: While RFK toed the official line in public for the obvious, political reasons, in private, and until the day he died, he remained active as, to borrow from Talbot, "Americas first assassination conspiracy theorist."
CONTINUED...
http://www.reclaiminghistory.org/
No offense to Bugliosi, but that's the truth. Why you find it offensive is your business, Bolo Boffin.
Review of Reclaiming History
by Gary L. Aguilar, 21 Dec 2007
Ed note: This review first appeared in the Nov/Dec issue of The Federal Lawyer.
"
The gigantic swing that Bugliosi takes is easily the most ambitious one-person undertaking ever published on the Kennedy assassination. Bugliosi, the famous Charles Manson prosecutor, devotes more than 1400 pages of text and endnotes to "reclaiming" the lost truth as first set forth by the Warren Commission. He then devotes 900 more pages of text and endnotes to pounding myriad conspiracy theorists whose efforts over the years, Bugliosi claims, have wrought a grave injustice on the Commission and performed a "flagrant disservice to the American public."
It is not just that critics have convinced 75 percent of Americans (Bugliosis figure) to reject the official truth, which he says happens to be the real truth. These critics, Bugliosi contends, are also responsible for a widespread loss of faith in once-respected institutions. Such widespread skepticism, "gestating for decades in the nations marrow," he writes, "obviously has to have had a deleterious effect on the way Americans view those who lead them and determine their destiny. Indeed, Jefferson Morley, former Washington editor of the Nation, observes that Kennedys assassination has been 'a kind of national Rorschach test of the American political psyche. What Americans think about the Kennedy assassination reveals what they think about their government.'" To those who might wonder if more than 1600 pages of text and 900 pages of endnotes were really necessary, Bugliosi says that the problem is so severe that nothing less would have sufficed.
Although Warren Commission skeptics might not welcome this gargantuan new salvo, there is no denying that Bugliosis Herculean effort is an historic and important contribution. It is valuable not only as a reference for the myriad facts in the case and for debunking some of the pro-conspiracy codswallop that has not elsewhere already been debunked (most of it has been, if one has the time to find it). The books use also lies in demonstrating that it may not be possible for one person to fully master, or give a fair accounting of, this impossibly tangled mess of a case. In fact, despite Bugliosis pugnacious pummeling, he hasnt laid a glove on major elements of the case for conspiracy.
And, regrettably, it must be said that the most distinguishing characteristic of this book is its demagogic pugnacity. Bugliosi cleaves the world of opinion holders neatly in two sensible Warren Commission loyalists and conscious evildoers, the "conspiracy theorists." He allows, however, for the occasional sincere dupe. Although his prosecutorial, conclusions-driven style is redolent of Gerald Posners in Case Closed, the last attorney-written book to defend the Warren Commission, Bugliosis endless self-congratulation and his arrogant condescension make his book far more insufferable.
These traits may have served Bugliosi well as a Los Angeles County prosecutor where, he boasts, he won felony convictions in 105 of 106 jury trials. They may have helped him knock out true-crime books, including his famous book about the Manson murders, Helter Skelter. But his arrogance is of little use in untangling the hopelessly conflicted facts in this 44-year old national tragedy. His incessantly hurling slurs such as "deranged conspiracy theorist," "crackpot," "con man," "kook," and "huckster" at virtually all critics inevitably carries a whiff of buffoonery and anxious self-promotion about it. And thats particularly the case when hes flat-out wrong on the facts.
A typical example is Bugliosis mocking of skeptics who say that Robert Kennedy was, to borrow from Bugliosi, a "conspiracy theorist." He counters not with an informed discussion, but by producing an RFK quotation of support for the Warren Commission. Ironically, in the very week that Bugliosis book premiered, a new best-selling book by David Talbot, Brothers, was published proffering book-length documentation of something skeptics have long known and Bugliosi could have known if he had really looked: While RFK toed the official line in public for the obvious, political reasons, in private, and until the day he died, he remained active as, to borrow from Talbot, "Americas first assassination conspiracy theorist."
CONTINUED...
http://www.reclaiminghistory.org/
No offense to Bugliosi, but that's the truth. Why you find it offensive is your business, Bolo Boffin.
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Don Curtis, Parkland resident, on JFK assassination: "the posterior part of his head was blown out." [View all]
Karmadillo
Nov 2013
OP
''So you can take that and stuff it up there where you get the rest of your ideas.''
Octafish
Nov 2013
#50
No, that's bullshit generated for the likes of you. For those interested in learning...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#53
Yeah, Posner is a liar, Bugliosi is a liar, the Warren Commission were liars, etc.
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#98
I saw a mist cloud of organic matter from front right of his head exploding
Pretzel_Warrior
Nov 2013
#16
WARNING: GRAPHIC - Here is Zapruder frame 313. Ejecta goes FORWARD and upward.
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2013
#21
I find the grassy knoll belief is rooted in a lack of physics understanding.
NutmegYankee
Nov 2013
#37
I'm obviously talking about the people who insist that explosives were used.
NutmegYankee
Nov 2013
#71
Looks like a shot right through the back bottom of the seat, slightly towards the rear bumper
Cronus Protagonist
Nov 2013
#76
In the video I saw, it showed a piece of his head/skull flying back onto the trunk of
polly7
Nov 2013
#9
The back of Kennedy's head did not explode. (Warning: graphic images.)
Spider Jerusalem
Nov 2013
#32
Clint Hill, the agent on the trunk says she was reaching for a piece of his skull
dflprincess
Nov 2013
#15
Yes, the Zapruder film shows Mrs Kennedy climbing onto the back of the car of retrieve something
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#23
JFK didn't have an entry and exit wound on his head. The bullet took a chunk off.
Dash87
Nov 2013
#10
That's what we have autopsies for - to establish under calm and measurable circumstances
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#42
Eyewitness accounts often disagree with each other and the autopsy results.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#63
So now you've moved from they're authenticated to it stands to reason that despite
Karmadillo
Nov 2013
#116
No, the photos and X-rays have been authenticated. I've not moved from that at all.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#117
"(McClelland's) recollections... have remained consistent for over thirty years." You are wrong.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#73
I assert it shouldn't even BE debated fifty years later. We have the technology that
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#103
You will only get the truth long after anyone who was alive at the time is long dead.
former9thward
Nov 2013
#94
The truth was known within an HOUR of the assassination. The police arrested the killer.
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#100
Exactly. There would never have been documents classified or held back from public view if LHO was
GoneFishin
Nov 2013
#105