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Octafish

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81. Poor Bolo Boffin. Don't get mad because McClelland reported what he saw.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:14 AM
Nov 2013
Here's what a real doctor has to say:



Review of Reclaiming History

by Gary L. Aguilar, 21 Dec 2007

Ed note: This review first appeared in the Nov/Dec issue of The Federal Lawyer.

&quot A)lthough there have been hundreds of books on the (JFK) assassination," Vincent Bugliosi writes in the introduction to Reclaiming History, "no book has even attempted to be a comprehensive and fair evaluation of the entire (italics in original) case, including all of the major conspiracy theories." Indeed, no book has – not even this 1612-page book, supplemented by a CD-rom containing 958 pages of endnotes – although not because it is too short.

The gigantic swing that Bugliosi takes is easily the most ambitious one-person undertaking ever published on the Kennedy assassination. Bugliosi, the famous Charles Manson prosecutor, devotes more than 1400 pages of text and endnotes to "reclaiming" the lost truth as first set forth by the Warren Commission. He then devotes 900 more pages of text and endnotes to pounding myriad “conspiracy theorists” whose efforts over the years, Bugliosi claims, have wrought a grave injustice on the Commission and performed a "flagrant disservice to the American public."

It is not just that critics have convinced 75 percent of Americans (Bugliosi’s figure) to reject the official truth, which he says happens to be the real truth. These critics, Bugliosi contends, are also responsible for a widespread loss of faith in once-respected institutions. Such widespread skepticism, "gestating for decades in the nation’s marrow," he writes, "obviously has to have had a deleterious effect on the way Americans view those who lead them and determine their destiny. Indeed, Jefferson Morley, former Washington editor of the Nation, observes that Kennedy’s assassination has been 'a kind of national Rorschach test of the American political psyche. What Americans think about the Kennedy assassination reveals what they think about their government.'" To those who might wonder if more than 1600 pages of text and 900 pages of endnotes were really necessary, Bugliosi says that the problem is so severe that nothing less would have sufficed.

Although Warren Commission skeptics might not welcome this gargantuan new salvo, there is no denying that Bugliosi’s Herculean effort is an historic and important contribution. It is valuable not only as a reference for the myriad facts in the case and for debunking some of the pro-conspiracy codswallop that has not elsewhere already been debunked (most of it has been, if one has the time to find it). The book’s use also lies in demonstrating that it may not be possible for one person to fully master, or give a fair accounting of, this impossibly tangled mess of a case. In fact, despite Bugliosi’s pugnacious pummeling, he hasn’t laid a glove on major elements of the case for conspiracy.

And, regrettably, it must be said that the most distinguishing characteristic of this book is its demagogic pugnacity. Bugliosi cleaves the world of opinion holders neatly in two – sensible Warren Commission loyalists and conscious evildoers, the "conspiracy theorists." He allows, however, for the occasional sincere dupe. Although his prosecutorial, conclusions-driven style is redolent of Gerald Posner’s in Case Closed, the last attorney-written book to defend the Warren Commission, Bugliosi’s endless self-congratulation and his arrogant condescension make his book far more insufferable.

These traits may have served Bugliosi well as a Los Angeles County prosecutor where, he boasts, he won felony convictions in 105 of 106 jury trials. They may have helped him knock out true-crime books, including his famous book about the Manson murders, Helter Skelter. But his arrogance is of little use in untangling the hopelessly conflicted facts in this 44-year old national tragedy. His incessantly hurling slurs such as "deranged conspiracy theorist," "crackpot," "con man," "kook," and "huckster" at virtually all critics inevitably carries a whiff of buffoonery and anxious self-promotion about it. And that’s particularly the case when he’s flat-out wrong on the facts.

A typical example is Bugliosi’s mocking of skeptics who say that Robert Kennedy was, to borrow from Bugliosi, a "conspiracy theorist." He counters not with an informed discussion, but by producing an RFK quotation of support for the Warren Commission. Ironically, in the very week that Bugliosi’s book premiered, a new best-selling book by David Talbot, Brothers, was published proffering book-length documentation of something skeptics have long known and Bugliosi could have known if he had really looked: While RFK toed the official line in public for the obvious, political reasons, in private, and until the day he died, he remained active as, to borrow from Talbot, "America’s first assassination conspiracy theorist."

CONTINUED...

http://www.reclaiminghistory.org/



No offense to Bugliosi, but that's the truth. Why you find it offensive is your business, Bolo Boffin.

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figures gopiscrap Nov 2013 #1
That's what I was told newfie11 Nov 2013 #2
I wonder how he saw that as the attending surgeon testified stopbush Nov 2013 #3
Dr. McClelland appears to support Karmadillo Nov 2013 #4
It says in the article that he picked the President's head up. Maraya1969 Nov 2013 #5
You'll reach for anything, won't you? JackRiddler Nov 2013 #26
The Parkland doctors were driven to invention Ace Acme Nov 2013 #66
Ha ha. Thumbs up. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #69
What a load of bullshit Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #6
Please explain. nt Javaman Nov 2013 #18
I have further down thread. What a waste of our time Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #19
you have a few reponces, which one? please give me the reponce #. Thanks. nt Javaman Nov 2013 #36
The doctors at Parkland never saw the back of Kennedy's head. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #7
Wrong. Octafish Nov 2013 #43
No, it is you who are wrong, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #44
McClelland was there. He reported what he saw. Octafish Nov 2013 #47
In order for the back of Kennedy's head to be blown out? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #52
Have you seen this? Samantha Nov 2013 #58
The autopsy doctors were there. They reported what they saw. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #60
Octafish, please give it up. There was NO conspiracy. n/t duffyduff Nov 2013 #97
Not until Oswald is proven to be a hero!!! zappaman Nov 2013 #101
..... GoneFishin Nov 2013 #104
That's not what he said in 1988: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #46
McClelland reported what he saw. Posner reported what he wanted to say. Octafish Nov 2013 #48
And Jerome Corsi is a JFK conspiracy theorist. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #49
''So you can take that and stuff it up there where you get the rest of your ideas.'' Octafish Nov 2013 #50
No, the subject... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #51
No, that's bullshit generated for the likes of you. For those interested in learning... Octafish Nov 2013 #53
So the autopsy photos, X-rays, and Zapruder film are all faked? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #54
Scary, huh? Octafish Nov 2013 #55
I see, you can't actually read. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #56
Eyewitnesses have stated that is not what they saw. Octafish Nov 2013 #57
And? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #59
Awww looky he posted a huge reply in hopes it would magically prove him right! Rex Nov 2013 #61
The thing they never mention is how the CIA LIED to the Warren Commission. Octafish Nov 2013 #65
The evidence proves me right. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #83
Did you read the reply? Didn't think so. stopbush Nov 2013 #108
Yeah, Posner is a liar, Bugliosi is a liar, the Warren Commission were liars, etc. duffyduff Nov 2013 #98
Don't forget the doctors...they lied too. zappaman Nov 2013 #99
Anybody. And I mean ANYBODY watching Zapruder film Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #8
I saw organic matter fly upwards. Bonobo Nov 2013 #14
I saw a mist cloud of organic matter from front right of his head exploding Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #16
It happens just like this...graphic warning...watermelon destruction HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #40
WARNING: GRAPHIC - Here is Zapruder frame 313. Ejecta goes FORWARD and upward. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #21
IDK, ricochet plus not full front, but grassy knoll area? Bonobo Nov 2013 #24
Trajectory analysis says no Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #28
Thanks, my thoughts exactly. bobGandolf Nov 2013 #89
Quite conclusive to me in that photo, as horrible as it is. Hoyt Nov 2013 #29
I find the grassy knoll belief is rooted in a lack of physics understanding. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #37
That or physics is in on the conspiracy too. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #45
Yeah, because physics rules out advance knowledge. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #70
I'm obviously talking about the people who insist that explosives were used. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #71
No, you go further... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #72
You've obviously read too much into it. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #75
Well then, if you are open... JackRiddler Nov 2013 #88
Looks like a shot right through the back bottom of the seat, slightly towards the rear bumper Cronus Protagonist Nov 2013 #76
In the video I saw, it showed a piece of his head/skull flying back onto the trunk of polly7 Nov 2013 #9
You are full of it. No such authentic video exists Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #11
Nah ........ it wasn't in any dream and no, I'm not full of it. polly7 Nov 2013 #12
No, that happened Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #27
From Clint Hill's memoir FedUpWithIt All Nov 2013 #31
The back of Kennedy's head did not explode. (Warning: graphic images.) Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #32
Clint Hill, the agent on the trunk says she was reaching for a piece of his skull dflprincess Nov 2013 #15
Yes, the Zapruder film shows Mrs Kennedy climbing onto the back of the car of retrieve something struggle4progress Nov 2013 #23
JFK didn't have an entry and exit wound on his head. The bullet took a chunk off. Dash87 Nov 2013 #10
Was Kennedy not dead as soon as his head exploded? FLyellowdog Nov 2013 #13
to all intents and purposes, yes Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #20
Thanks. Amazing that he even had a pulse. nt FLyellowdog Nov 2013 #30
Isn't it more likely he was physically dead JimDandy Nov 2013 #77
Re: "intimidation" - from Curtis' 1964 testimony Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #17
I wasn't there, but if there was intimidation by Specter, Karmadillo Nov 2013 #22
Specter had to remind Curtis to talk about the hemotoma he'd mentioned Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #25
Again, if there was intimidation, it was likely off the record before Karmadillo Nov 2013 #33
It was a big nasty wound on the side of his head. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #34
The witnesses are pretty specific about Karmadillo Nov 2013 #35
Anyone locating the wound solely in the back of the head is wrong. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #38
All these people who were there are wrong and you're right. I guess Karmadillo Nov 2013 #41
That's what we have autopsies for - to establish under calm and measurable circumstances Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #42
Not sure if JFK's autopsy qualifies as Karmadillo Nov 2013 #62
Eyewitness accounts often disagree with each other and the autopsy results. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #63
Gosh. Witnesses in Bethesda support witnesses in Parkland on the blow out. Karmadillo Nov 2013 #67
And other witnesses disagree with them. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #68
Have the photos really been authenticated? Bolo Boffin says yes, but Karmadillo Nov 2013 #114
The HSCA said that, not little old me. I'm just passing it on. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #115
So now you've moved from they're authenticated to it stands to reason that despite Karmadillo Nov 2013 #116
No, the photos and X-rays have been authenticated. I've not moved from that at all. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #117
That's consistent w/Malcolm Kilduff's press conference .. MinM Nov 2013 #39
Dr. Robert McClelland in Trauma Room One Octafish Nov 2013 #64
"(McClelland's) recollections... have remained consistent for over thirty years." You are wrong. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #73
Obviously, the BFEE got him to change his story. N/t zappaman Nov 2013 #74
I don't understand why you make fun of the BFEE, zappaman. Octafish Nov 2013 #79
McClelland was there. He reported what he saw. Octafish Nov 2013 #78
No, he has not been consistent for fifty years. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #80
Poor Bolo Boffin. Don't get mad because McClelland reported what he saw. Octafish Nov 2013 #81
Who's mad? Not me. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #82
McClelland reported what he saw. Bugliosi wasn't there. Octafish Nov 2013 #84
McClelland was wrong. The autopsy pictures and photos prove this. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #85
Bolo Boffin, you couldn't be more wrong. Octafish Nov 2013 #86
The HSCA verified the autopsy photos and pictures were authentic. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #87
Bullshit. Octafish Nov 2013 #92
Sorry, Octafish. The HSCA did indeed verify the autopsy photos and X-rays. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #93
The record shows CIA caught red-handed altering evidence. Octafish Nov 2013 #95
Octafish. You're exaggerating. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #111
The flailing about on display is rather sad. zappaman Nov 2013 #112
You've reached the point of comic absurdity, Octa. stopbush Nov 2013 #109
Why oh why.... bobGandolf Nov 2013 #90
I assert it shouldn't even BE debated fifty years later. We have the technology that duffyduff Nov 2013 #103
Will someone just tell us the fucking truth. For once? Just once? Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #91
You will only get the truth long after anyone who was alive at the time is long dead. former9thward Nov 2013 #94
The truth was known within an HOUR of the assassination. The police arrested the killer. duffyduff Nov 2013 #100
That's what Allen Dulles and the CIA want you to believe. Octafish Nov 2013 #106
They arrested Oswald after he killed a cop. zappaman Nov 2013 #107
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #96
Hoover "hated" the Kennedy's with a passion. Lint Head Nov 2013 #102
Exactly. There would never have been documents classified or held back from public view if LHO was GoneFishin Nov 2013 #105
Yeah. Just like the way they held back info on Project Mogul stopbush Nov 2013 #110
Sorry. I don't know anything about that. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #113
Kick. n/t area51 Nov 2013 #118
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