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Octafish

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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:37 PM Nov 2013

JFK Conference: Mark Lane Addressed the Secret Government’s Role in the Assassination [View all]

As a Democrat, a DUer and as a citizen of the United States, I was proud to attend "Passing the Torch: An International Symposium on the 50th Anniversary of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" at Duquesne University in October.

One of the important speakers there I was privileged to hear is Mark Lane, whose program was entitled "The Secret Service and the Assassination of JFK." The title as printed in the program is a misnomer, as Mr. Lane referred mainly to the CIA and the related secret governmental agencies involved in national security, rather than just the Secret Service that is charged with the president’s physical protection. Mr. Lane made clear that no matter their motives, any role, or rationale -- the CIA blocked the investigations of the assassination from the Warren Commission, from which CIA withheld crucial information, including plotting with the Mafia to assassinate Fidel Castro; to that of New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, who established many connections between the assassination and the anti-Castro CIA operations; to the House Select Committee on Assassinations, that had a CIA director George H.W. plant work to destroy the investigation; to the present day, where the CIA continues to fight FOIA requests for information they were ordered by a federal court to release to the public. This is a problem for us today, the people for whom they serve without any form of democratic accountability.



An attorney, author, and early critic of the Warren Commission, Mr. Lane said he is proud to be the only public official arrested for being a Freedom Rider during the Civil Rights movement. At the Duquesne conference, Mr. Lane stated that he believed he was the one guy in the room of about 800 people who also was personal friends with President John F. Kennedy and Attorney General and later Senator Robert F. Kennedy. He got to know them in his role as New York City for JFK campaign chair in the 1960 election, particularly RFK, who served as his brother’s national campaign manager. Speaking from his unique personal and professional perspectives, Mr. Lane discussed the role of secret government in regard to the assassination.



EXCERPT...

This is what Arthur Krock wrote, published in The New York Times on October 3, 1963: "A very high American official -- and he was talking about John Kennedy -- has said the CIA's growth was likened to a malignancy, which was, the very high official said, was not sure even the White House could control.” And this very high official, probably the president, said. And was published, as I said, in The New York Times, October 3, 1963. “If the United States ever experiences an attempt at a coup to overthrow the government, it will come from the CIA and not the Pentagon. The CIA represents a tremendous power and total unaccountability to anyone.”

That's what was said in October. And the president was killed the following month.

The Warren Commission never called Arthur Krock to ask him who the official was; How come he could predict the assassination a month before it took place? or predict something happening; and who the high official was? The high official was John Kennedy. But, that has not been said (in the media). And so we have the government issuing a statement which is untrue. And then we have the news media accepting it and allowing no dissent.

No dissent. For one year, a full year after the assassination of the president, not one question was asked of the government or published anywhere in any newspaper, radio station, television station. Not one question about the validity of the government's investigation. Not one question.

I'd like to believe that now with the internet and instant communication we have all around the the whole world, that if that happened today, it would be very hard to keep it a secret. But, you can count on the fact that people will continue to try that, if events have to be covered up from their viewpoint.

And as I said, there was -- their statement (the Warren Commission’s) was, “Our position is that we must reassure the American people.” And Earl Warren came out and when he was asked, "When will we get the truth?” He said, “You may never get it in your lifetime. Hundreds of thousands of Americans might die if the facts came out.”

And so, he was terrified. The hundreds of Americans he was talking about was World War III, which was going to break out, if they told the truth. This was what the Warren Commission was told. It took me years to get (FOIA) transcripts of the in-house meetings of the commission.

But, this is what they were told: that Lee Harvey Oswald, according to the CIA, went to Mexico City in October, 1963. He then visited the two agencies there -- he visited the Soviet embassy, he was in the Soviet Union, and the Cuban embassy. And it's clear that he was planning after he killed -- this was in October, when he was there, they said -- he was planning to go to Cuba and from Cuba -- go from Mexico City after the assassination -- Oswald was -- and go to Cuba from Mexico City and then fly on to the Soviet Union. That's the story that was told to the Warren Commission.

And the CIA went on to say, however: “We don't believe that the Russians or the Cubans were in any way involved. But, if the story gets out, people will not believe us. And that's why hundreds of thousands of Americans will die in a war which is going to take place. That's what they told Earl Warren and scared him. He really was frightened by this.

The trouble was the story was a fabrication. Oswald had not been to Mexico City.

The person who designed that whole story was a man named David Atlee Phillips, who ran the Central Intelligence Agency for the entire western hemisphere from his office in Mexico City.

Not long before he died, in the last seven years (or so) ago, he said that, I was at USC and appeared on the program with him) he said that, in fact, Oswald never was in Mexico City -- which destroyed the entire story which had been told to the Warren Commission.

When that was reported, an apologist for the Warren Commission said, “Well, it was because, yes, he said it, we can't deny that he said it.” This was well-publicized, this statement. “But the fact is that Mark Lane had subjected him to a cruel, grueling cross examination and confused him and that's why he said it.”

It was a (1977) meeting at USC (University of Southern California). I was on the panel and he was on the panel. I directed no question to him at all. And a student got up at the end and raised the subject, which I had not, that was: “Can you tell us about Mexico City, Mr. Phillips?" There was no cross examination. It was just the kid asking the question. And that's when Phillips said, "Oswald was never there."

And so the cover-up was that I had subjected him to this cross examination that wasn't. Of course, I didn't ask him anything. It was the student that said it. But that became the mantra of the Establishment to try to explain how the man who ran the Central Intelligence Agency for the United States (in the hemisphere) and elsewhere and did it from his office in Mexico City, made that statement, because of my brilliant cross-examination, although I never asked him the question.

And so here we are now, 50 years later, almost 50 years later, and there still are files which are classified. We don't even know the number, but we know there are in the tens of thousands of documents, that are classified by reasons of national security. Which obviously makes no sense, 50 years later. Never made any sense at the time because they were saying Lee Harvey Oswald did it alone. But anyway, even if made sense, then what issue of national security can possibly still be involved?

Well it's a question of CIA’s security. If the American people were told then or were even told now the truth about who killed their president, that would be the end of the CIA.

Most of the people who were involved are dead; in fact, maybe all of them. I know some names, but I don’t (name them). I'm a lawyer and I believe in our system of justice. I've never spoken out the name of any one individual who i believe is a suspect in the case because I think that our system is: Nobody is guilty in this country, each person is presumed to be innocent, even when they've been indicted, it is unfair to give up our whole judicial system in this one instance by saying yes, so-and-so probably did it. Guilt is determined by a jury or a plea of guilty or if you waive a jury, by a judge. The outcome is the result of a judicial proceeding. That is crucial to who we are, not every country has this blessing, which was handed down to us by the founders at the very beginning.

CONTINUED...



First off: The transcription above of Mr. Lane’s remarks from Oct. 18 at Duquesne above is mine. Any errors it may contain are my own.

Want to add: DU has discussed these issues: Arthur Krock on JFK, the CIA and Vietnam here; and former President Harry S Truman here.

Want to say: [font color="orange"]I’m honored to be an American and proud to be a Democrat and a DUer who stands with Mark Lane.[/font color] Since 1964 when the Warren Report was issued, Mr. Lane has made clear the problems with the government’s narrative that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. And he since has made plain what those problems with the government's story are, and from where they originate, the halls of secret government, including those of the Central Intelligence Agency, still need to be held to account.
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Here's what the HSCA thought about Mark Lane: stopbush Nov 2013 #1
CIA Director Bush helped destroy HSCA investigation. Octafish Nov 2013 #7
So, on the one hand, you hold out the HSCA as a beacon of fact finding stopbush Nov 2013 #15
"I demand evidence" WTF? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #64
You sure do a lot of bloviating, but you've yet to offer an iota of evidence stopbush Nov 2013 #66
Bull malarkey RobertEarl Nov 2013 #68
I see. You're the type of person who argues that you can't prove George Washington really existed. stopbush Nov 2013 #69
Read the OP again RobertEarl Nov 2013 #71
''Bloviating'' is a term of art. Octafish Nov 2013 #103
Thank you my friend! zappaman Nov 2013 #108
I'd still side with Jim Garrison than the likes of you. Octafish Nov 2013 #110
I did comment on what Lane wrote. zappaman Nov 2013 #112
Capitalism's Invisible Army Octafish Nov 2013 #82
Blah, blah, blah. stopbush Nov 2013 #91
''Your questions are almost as dumb as the committee's'' Octafish Nov 2013 #96
More boring cut-n-paste from Octa who refuses to answer why they believe the HSCA stopbush Nov 2013 #98
What part of the OP is ''cut and paste,'' stopbush? Octafish Nov 2013 #100
Answer the question: why do you consider the HSCA to be a reliable source stopbush Nov 2013 #101
No one's asking you to engage. That's your problem. Octafish Nov 2013 #104
Please look at YOUR post #7 in this thread: "CIA Director Bush helped destroy HSCA investigation." stopbush Nov 2013 #105
G. Robert Blakey’s 2003 Addendum to the PBS Interview: Octafish Dec 2013 #171
Blakey believes the mob was involved and will probably go to his grave believing that. stopbush Dec 2013 #172
So, what Blakey said about the CIA isn't what Blakey said about the CIA? Octafish Dec 2013 #173
That would be learning fiction. stopbush Dec 2013 #174
Revelation 19.63 Octafish Dec 2013 #175
Why is it so important to you? notadmblnd Dec 2013 #177
"Smirk." - Poppy 'Skull & Boner' Bush (R - CIA - BFEE) Berlum Nov 2013 #78
Don't understand why certain DUers don't appreciate the BFEE connections to Dealey Plaza. Octafish Nov 2013 #106
Did Bush not know the patsy was supposed to be Oswald? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #116
Odd is how that same George HW Bush in Dallas Nov. 22, 1963 shows up to head CIA 12 years later. Octafish Nov 2013 #145
That is odd. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #146
Doesn't work for me, your act. Octafish Nov 2013 #147
Are you really accusing me of being here under false pretenses? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #148
Like your exchange with Jim DiEugenio? You did all you could to drive him off. Octafish Nov 2013 #149
Speak plainly, sir. Are you accusing me of being here under false pretenses? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #150
Or leave these foolish games and Meta distractions aside and start dealing with the evidence already Octafish Nov 2013 #151
so basically you aren't man enough to accuse Bolo straight up backwoodsbob Dec 2013 #161
No, I have not been 'payed' or paid to write about the assassination of President Kennedy. Octafish Dec 2013 #179
Of course he is. zappaman Dec 2013 #158
Odd thing for you to point out, considering what you write. Octafish Dec 2013 #180
Why do you accuse people of being paid zappaman Dec 2013 #181
They're your own words. Octafish Dec 2013 #184
There's a good analysis of the Parrott memo in Russ Baker's book 'Family of Secrets' Mc Mike Dec 2013 #186
Well said! Thank you, Mc Mike! Octafish Dec 2013 #189
I'm sorry that you sometimes take so much flack and displays of antipathy for posting good info. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #190
The problem for them is that no matter how they try to discredit ANYONE who doesn't march in sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #53
You must feel the same way about Obamacare. stopbush Nov 2013 #62
Mark Lane: The Original Shyster zappaman Nov 2013 #2
CIA Instructions to Media Assets Octafish Nov 2013 #8
You stand with a liar. zappaman Nov 2013 #10
So what? You defend the BFEE. Octafish Nov 2013 #11
I'm sure you can back up your smears? zappaman Nov 2013 #12
Not a smear when true. Octafish Nov 2013 #16
Show where I'm wrong. Otherwise don't libel me. zappaman Nov 2013 #18
LOL. Octafish Nov 2013 #24
LOL. zappaman Nov 2013 #26
journal.. feh. you're no REAL journalist man... you've never even been in a shootout!!1111 dionysus Nov 2013 #57
On the contrary... zappaman Nov 2013 #58
yeah but, but, do you have a bayonet, huh? a bullwhip? i think not sir. dionysus Nov 2013 #59
I think he means the many times you joke about the BFEE. Rex Nov 2013 #17
I'm quite sure he can speak for himself. zappaman Nov 2013 #21
Oh I know it is a joke. Rex Nov 2013 #22
True. zappaman Nov 2013 #25
Well, Rextradomous will make a prediction about the future Rex Nov 2013 #29
Hmmm.... zappaman Nov 2013 #31
I swear that man IS an alien! Rex Nov 2013 #32
Thank you, Rex. Octafish Nov 2013 #33
Well my on speculation is that he was a Russian double agent. Rex Nov 2013 #34
I noticed the high volume of repetitive re-postings of that same accusation Mc Mike Nov 2013 #48
Lol! Now you deny your own words? zappaman Nov 2013 #72
P. S. A. Mc Mike Nov 2013 #80
How is not believing Lane the same as supporting the Bush family? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #79
E. Hunt was such an upstanding man. Now I'm convinced, Hunt denied it, therefore it must be true. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #55
"So much effort to prevent people from speaking their minds on this historical tragedy." zappaman Nov 2013 #56
Most of us, a majority of the people, want to see bullshit countered and don't everything their sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #65
E Howard Hunt planted fake cables in WH safe to make it look like JFK ordered Diem assassination... Octafish Nov 2013 #141
CIA caught red-handed in HSCA safe, a pattern of obstruction of justice in JFK assassination. Octafish Nov 2013 #142
Wow, thank you for that. Tampering with evidence. Yet nothing was done about it, and some wonder why sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #144
There's a special place in hell for Mark Lane. duffyduff Nov 2013 #95
Pretty lousy thing to say about anybody, let alone a good Democrat. Octafish Nov 2013 #97
I don't know what Brehm said, but Lane interviewed him on videotape. It's on You Tube. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #109
I don't think Mark Lane is the kind of person you want to be standing with. DanTex Nov 2013 #3
You also need to learn more. Lane was there with Congressman Ryan. Octafish Nov 2013 #9
Umm yeah, but that's not the only time he was there. DanTex Nov 2013 #19
Yes. Octafish Nov 2013 #77
It's not about predicting, it's about claiming a CIA conspiracy. DanTex Nov 2013 #81
interesting, have read his book and thought it was good gopiscrap Nov 2013 #4
Two important works: 'Rush to Judgment' and 'Plausible Denial' Octafish Nov 2013 #13
Who is defending Bush on DU, Octafish? zappaman Nov 2013 #14
You, for one. Octafish Nov 2013 #20
I see jokes about your obsession zappaman Nov 2013 #23
Didn't you just say something about being smeared and how you don't like it? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #63
Both of those books are full of lies and manipulations by Mr Mark Lane. stopbush Nov 2013 #27
How many times does Mark Lane mention CIA in 'Rush to Judgment'? Octafish Nov 2013 #152
You've got the wrong book. The CIA went after Lane's idiocies in in his POS book stopbush Dec 2013 #153
Good catch. zappaman Dec 2013 #154
Luckily, I knew that one off the top of my head. stopbush Dec 2013 #155
Speaking of assume. Octafish Dec 2013 #159
LOL! zappaman Dec 2013 #165
The point: CIA had no reason to stalk Lane in 1966. Octafish Dec 2013 #156
What's your source for that claim about the CIA stalking Lane? stopbush Dec 2013 #157
National Archives and Mark Lane Octafish Dec 2013 #160
Your link is useless. It says nothing about Mark Lane, stopbush Dec 2013 #162
Mark Lane talked about it in Pittsburgh. Octafish Dec 2013 #163
So, your first link WAS quite useless. stopbush Dec 2013 #164
You should try the truth sometime. Octafish Dec 2013 #176
Lane: Lawyer for "We The People" Patriot group and anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby frazzled Nov 2013 #5
Guilt by association is un-American. Lane is an attorney who represented two clients. Octafish Nov 2013 #28
I can't believe you're defending this guy frazzled Nov 2013 #35
It's easy. Mark Lane says we don't know the whole truth, but it looks like CIA conspiracy. Octafish Nov 2013 #38
"Guilt by association is un-American." Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #36
rofl. nt BootinUp Nov 2013 #127
I watched the 'Firing Line' debate between Lane and Buckley on YouTube the other day KurtNYC Nov 2013 #6
I thought Mark Lane was outstanding in that match-up. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #30
The only thing "outstanding" about Mark Lane is his outstanding in a field. Archae Nov 2013 #37
It doesn't matter, but I believe Mark Lane is Jewish. He also is an attorney... Octafish Nov 2013 #41
Mark Lane's involvement with Liberty Lobby references the JFK assassination. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #50
False. zappaman Nov 2013 #52
Mel Ayton? The disinformationist? Octafish Nov 2013 #134
I'm pretty new to all the JFK conspiracy stuff, about the past 6-7 years or so. I was only 9 months Ghost in the Machine Nov 2013 #73
He does very well even as Buckley sneers and goes ad hom on him. KurtNYC Nov 2013 #42
Dr. Cyril Wecht believes it was a coup d'etat too. mother earth Nov 2013 #39
Thank you, mother earth. Dr. Wecht is a national treasure. Octafish Nov 2013 #46
YOU are a DU treasure, Octafish, keep the info coming. I look forward to your next reporting. mother earth Nov 2013 #47
+10000000000000000000000000 PCIntern Nov 2013 #49
... mother earth Nov 2013 #114
And yet when he was a part of the HSCA investigation, he agreed that the head wounds Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #51
That's funny, because Wecht said something different to the HSCA Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #137
"Secret Government": taking a mile mathematic Nov 2013 #40
You must be new to the term, mathematic. Octafish Nov 2013 #43
Enjoy your stay. n/t mattclearing Nov 2013 #74
Looks like you've got a host of Hugh Aynesworth wannabees in this thread Sir-K&R, NGU bobthedrummer Nov 2013 #44
It's like watching a flock take off and spin around... Octafish Nov 2013 #83
So much more eloquent than what I was going to say! SaveAmerica Nov 2013 #90
"Do you have a book about Kennedy that you recommend?" red dog 1 Nov 2013 #119
Here are a few good reads... Octafish Nov 2013 #133
a very good post in the best thread yet reddread Nov 2013 #140
K&R! Omaha Steve Nov 2013 #45
LBJ got Earl Warren to go along... Octafish Nov 2013 #84
Bill Hicks on JFK Initech Nov 2013 #54
Jim Hicks used comedy to spell out Truth. Octafish Nov 2013 #85
Thank you, Octafish, for your work on the assassination. A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #60
Same here... PCIntern Nov 2013 #61
'SPOOKS' MAKE LIFE MISERABLE FOR AMBASSADOR LODGE Octafish Nov 2013 #88
We forget that the first "conspiracy theorist" was Oswald himself. A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #111
Excellent post. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #67
Ford pardoned Nixon Octafish Nov 2013 #89
Yes, that is true. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #93
You should have seen Piers Morgan get the vapors. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #70
Thanks for the heads-up! Piers is something to behold. Octafish Nov 2013 #92
I finally got around to reading Lane's Rush to Judgment in the mid-70s. I usually save books but struggle4progress Nov 2013 #75
Mark Lane hasn't changed his mind since then. Octafish Nov 2013 #99
Seems after forty years, Lane's still working to get more than two pebbles in a straight line struggle4progress Nov 2013 #115
The ''Secret Service'' men on the Grassy Knoll Octafish Nov 2013 #128
A spoon of barley tossed into a barrel of water makes mighty thin gruel. Here's the testimony struggle4progress Nov 2013 #129
It's no joke. It's what TWO DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS REPORTED. Octafish Dec 2013 #182
K&R burrowowl Nov 2013 #76
I noticed a couple o' typos on re-reading in the cold light of a new day... Octafish Nov 2013 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #86
I've still got a dog-eared copy of Rush to Judgment on my bookshelf. robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #87
You know Edwin Black? He wrote about the Chicago Plot... Octafish Nov 2013 #107
I love IBM and the Holocaust! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #117
Joseph Adams Milteer saw that it keep going in Dallas 50 years ago... Octafish Dec 2013 #169
One more thing on the subject of Chicago robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #121
The Chicago Plot involved a tipster named ''Lee.'' And the DIA harrassed Edwin Black. Octafish Nov 2013 #132
Well, the DIA angle is a twist I wasn't aware of! robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #138
James Carroll wrote ''House of War''... Octafish Nov 2013 #139
I think you're right about the cabal. robertpaulsen Nov 2013 #143
I think YOU're right about the cabal... Octafish Dec 2013 #178
Octafish, did you SEE this? Veciana admits Bishop was Phillips! robertpaulsen Dec 2013 #191
And then the guy passed away. Octafish Dec 2013 #192
Apparently, Veciana's death was misreported, according to Vince Palamara. robertpaulsen Dec 2013 #193
I heard Lane speak many years ago. It was him Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #102
'Rush to Judgment' woke me up... Octafish Nov 2013 #126
Thank you Octafish i miss america Nov 2013 #113
Oliver Stone: JFK conspiracy deniers are in denial Octafish Nov 2013 #122
K&R...Thanks for posting. red dog 1 Nov 2013 #118
Mr. Lane credited himself on that one! Said it should've been called 'The Mark Lane Bill.' LOL! Octafish Nov 2013 #120
"The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA).. red dog 1 Nov 2013 #123
Thanks! Octafish Nov 2013 #124
It was, indeed, Oliver Stone's "JFK" that got Congress to pass the "JFK Act" red dog 1 Nov 2013 #125
Deep gratitude for your work on this, Mr. Octafish Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #130
That's Acquila Clemons, who said it Oswald did not shoot Officer Tippit Octafish Nov 2013 #135
K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #131
For the Record... Octafish Nov 2013 #136
A Death Bed Declaration? CIA Tied to JFK Assassination Judi Lynn Dec 2013 #166
Well that's new information. what a great thread Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #167
Veciana was set to talk to Gaeton Fonzi re David Atlee Phillips... Octafish Dec 2013 #168
Citizen Lane by NCIS' Pauley Perrette MinM Dec 2013 #170
Thank you, MinM. Here's FBI Agent Donald A. Adams on Joseph Adams Milteer... Octafish Dec 2013 #187
Mr. Lane, I will never forget upi402 Dec 2013 #183
Seems the Novo Brothers helped assassinate Letelier and Moffit in 1976... Octafish Dec 2013 #188
K&R (nt). Kurovski Dec 2013 #185
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