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In reply to the discussion: the worst is true: MA teacher raped before being murdered by 14 year old student [View all]
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)4. F'real.
I mean, imagine if everyone had to face the music for all the rape+murders they committed at age 14. The courts would be positively jammed up!
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the worst is true: MA teacher raped before being murdered by 14 year old student [View all]
cali
Nov 2013
OP
I agree. I do thing though that there should be some mechanism that ensures that he is not
cali
Nov 2013
#2
The frontal lobe of the brain hasn't come close to fully developing yet at that stage.
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#35
I remember that age for me, I certainly had no impulses such as that, neither did
RKP5637
Nov 2013
#111
He must have because something prompted him to not go through with it.
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2013
#184
No, because my 14 year old brain jumped to something else after I couldn't get that gun open.
newcriminal
Nov 2013
#209
Dont children who get charged as juvenile automatically get out at 18 - 22?
DragonBorn
Nov 2013
#255
+1 This entire thread is an eye opener for me. I actually thought that only conservative mindset,
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#308
Your post is an abject reminder of why justice is dispensed in a court of law and not by
rug
Nov 2013
#347
You don't get to decide. Massachusetts law says that premeditated, felony murderers ARE tried as
MADem
Nov 2013
#246
You are right I don't get to decide, doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
newcriminal
Nov 2013
#251
yeah because having a republican a cop or a rapist-murderer living next door are all equally
arely staircase
Nov 2013
#342
Me either...I just don't get where all this conscienceless young hate is coming from. n/t
whathehell
Nov 2013
#207
I often wonder if it's an imitation of the hatred they are surrounded by today, violence in
RKP5637
Nov 2013
#213
Yep, I don't buy into it that he's too young to know what he was doing/did. If, that were the case,
RKP5637
Nov 2013
#327
I am beginning to wonder if European countries have this sort of thing in a very big way?
CTyankee
Nov 2013
#9
You still seem to be under the delusion that the type of crime somehow indicates a level of...
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#60
no, it's that this exact type of crime makes it too risky to bet on rehabilitation.
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#82
My nephew was a completely different person over the course of those years.
woodsprite
Nov 2013
#149
you have yet to provide one iota of scientific evidence backing your claims
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#309
Forty years of experience and you fail to understand basic human brain development.
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#217
I think today was the first time somebody tried to call my point into question..
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#231
Wow, that was rude. I don't think the poster missed anything--and you are assuming facts not in
MADem
Nov 2013
#283
What an interesting justification for treating children as adults in the justice system.
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#216
In other words, you lack a rebuttal and want to shame people into not responding.
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2013
#219
So, what other democratically enacted laws would you see circumvented by "studies"? n/t
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2013
#230
I don't think anyone posting here on this thread would feel comfortable with that particular
MADem
Nov 2013
#244
Agreed. He certainly displayed consciousness of guilt when he staged the body.
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2013
#263
it has to do with how you feel about incarceration for the public's safety.
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#269
you won't get a reply because its not about the statitics or theoricals on his brain function,
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#268
You are probably right but like I said, I wouldn't want that "statistic" living next door to me.
MADem
Nov 2013
#277
Then we need to change the system so that a few juvenile offenders can get longer sentences.
Yo_Mama
Nov 2013
#80
I am interested in learning that there is no chance he will become a repeat offender.
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#17
I bet he was fed junk food from an early age. Are you saying mentally ill people were all abused?
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#30
Don't lock them in a cage, but drug them and lock them in a ward? Not sure why those
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#67
I think that raping and murdering for entertainment is evil. You are free to disagree. nt
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#45
No, what's grotesquely stupid is attempting to treat a 14 year old child as an adult.
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#61
When you use phrases like 'no more evil than' you are in fact downplaying it. nt
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#93
you equated this brutal rape and murder -"It's no more evil" than pretending a 14 year old child
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#139
that is because you view it as revenge, I view it as a wise move for public safety.
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#148
He had a boxcutter on him, that he got from the art room, and a change of clothes.
MADem
Nov 2013
#147
He has to be sick because mentally healthy people do not rape, murder. So by definition
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#74
He planned the kidnapping/rape/torture/murder of his teacher, then went home, changed
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#199
see. we have a whole new form of therapy for these bottomfeeders. feed them the worst of the
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#204
for real, i would like for them to go thru his computer at home, or his phone and get back to us.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#210
It's exactly the same level of rationality as you continue to try and use to justify...
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#63
14 is old enough to know what murder is and to know fundamental right and wrong.
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#29
What "extenuating circumstances" would in any way excuse his rape and murder of this woman?
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#44
that kid put a shot gun in both his grand parents' mouths, shot them repeatedly and THEN burned the
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#81
he had a history of suicidal behaviour and acting out which is why he was on meds.
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#126
No; homicidal behavior as well. But of course, I'm just part of the Tin-Foil Hat Brigade.
WinkyDink
Nov 2013
#331
I agree, Magical Thyme, let's see how many are willing to take him in their home.
Thinkingabout
Nov 2013
#53
Thinking back to high school, for example, some students wore their scariness ...
RKP5637
Nov 2013
#175
Yes, of course I read the article. What it says is there is a predisposition to behavior
RKP5637
Nov 2013
#272
WTF does "evil" mean? He has a demon soul? Lucifer is his daddy? Spirits infest and control him?
NoOneMan
Nov 2013
#279
A bit more than a "moment"--and for a teacher who was trying to help him pass a test
MADem
Nov 2013
#151
His victim was just out of college, still burdened with loans, working at the job of her dreams, so
MADem
Nov 2013
#240
I agree. This isn't a kid who beat an abusive parent, this is someone who viciously
MADem
Nov 2013
#286
No. Zero. Yeah, he'll grow up to live in Suburbia with a wife, dog, and two kids. Riiiight.
WinkyDink
Nov 2013
#333
I think many see it as a system that should in part at least be about protecting people
arely staircase
Nov 2013
#343
I just got done searching his/her posts because I swore they made me go "huh?" once before this week
ScreamingMeemie
Nov 2013
#102
After he slashed her throat he wheeled her corpse outside and them he rammed a tree limb up her
Beausoir
Nov 2013
#305
LOL. What a load of bull. That monster is not fixable. He will be caged forever.
Beausoir
Nov 2013
#302
Why are there age of consent laws and why is the age of consent almost always higher than 14?
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#160
There isn't a sudden point at which all points of morality and responsibility at once become clear
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2013
#166
but all of those matters relates to impulse control. Enlightened society have understood for
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#168
one does not interpret the actions of a child the same way one interprets the actions of an adult
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#307
interpretation? seriously? this was a planned murder, not an impulsive manslaughter.
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#321
a murderer that happened to be a child. I simply don't agree with you that children can be held to
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#322
well the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (and many other states) don't agree with you
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#323
well this is completely out of step with almost every other western democracy on earth
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#324
When I come across crimes that I cannot even begin to comprehend where the motivation is beyond my
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#194
"all rational faculties would have told any thinking adult that there is a 100% chance that they
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#223
those guys in supermax are not fourteen years old children - this chlld is
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#227
If there were a mechanism in place to confine if there's no rehabilitiation, that would be one thing
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#232
In Massachusetts, a conviction of first degree murder carries a mandatory sentence of
Tanuki
Nov 2013
#329
That is true, but the Supreme Court has ruled that a juvenile cannot be charged so as to be
morningfog
Nov 2013
#330
I would really like to see all evidence presented in this case. Such horrific crime
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#211
He needs proper psychiatric assessment, done by at least two independent professionals.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#270
by planning the details, then staging her body and leaving a note, he showed he was likely
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#271
Doing time in prison is not 'escaping responsibility'. I don't support vengeance based prison system.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#290
you go cling to the fantasy that it is about vengeance, or that his lawyers will not blame everything
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#292
US legal system is vengence based, and it doesn't work. Also, are you replying to the right post?
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#297
yes, but it is all we have right now. doesn't mean that no one should go to jail, LOL. sorry.
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#299
Did anyone tell you this kid should go free? Where did you get that from? Not from my posts.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#301
minors automatically go free at a certain age, unless they are confined to a psych hospital
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#303
There is no point discussing this topic with someone who beleives 14yo is an adult. Is there?
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#306
Lobby to change the law than, instead of arguing he is mature enough to treat as adult.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#326
I don' have resourses for a new pet cause, but thank you. in the meantime, prosecters make
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#336
I repeat, no point discussing this topic with anyone who wants to treat 14yo as adult based on fear.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#337
Oh please, you want to shame me a scaredy cat. LOL. It is entirely a public safety issue.
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#340
I repeat, no point discussing this topic with anyone who wants to treat 14yo as adult based on fear
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#341
nt every 14 year old, just the ones who plan snd commit brutal torture and murder.
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#345
'Likely suspect' means someone with previous history of violence and/or cruelty.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#338