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hfojvt

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45. it's not implausible in my experience

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:06 AM

Mar 2012

Take my own primary election (please). In my home county I got 82.5% of the vote. In nearby Atchison County, I won big 65.49% to 25% to 9.4%.

Then there's the other side of the state. In my opponent's home county, she won 81.11% of the vote. In nearby Cherokee County, she won 80.34% of the vote.

Remember that we both were relative unknowns. Unlike Kaptur, who has been a Congresswoman for about a hundred years. Kaptur is very well known in her district, and also very well liked.

I think if relative unknowns can get 80%+ of the vote in their home counties, that it is not at all implausible for a many term congresswoman to get 95%+ in her home county. The mere existence of a huge landslide does not prove some sort of cheating. She has precinct people in that county, a machine to get out the vote, the vote for herself.

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Kaptur Defeats Kucinich 94% to 4% on 100% Unverifiable E-Vote Systems in Toledo, OH? [View all] BradBlog Mar 2012 OP

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #1

Nothing to see here folks,just move along. former9thward Mar 2012 #2

Welcome to DU! sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #3

Wow think Mar 2012 #4

Those numbers don't look the least bit fishy to you? SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #7

No. Tell me: did you think it was "fishy" when Obama won 92% of the DC vote in 2008, NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #12

Whether the numbers are accurate or not they can't be verified. think Mar 2012 #16

I asked you this question below but you might have missed it. Were they running against other sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #17

Looks like it was the presidential election not primary: think Mar 2012 #18

That's exactly what I said. NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #19

Well, that's very different. These were two Democrats and I know for me, eg, it was a difficult sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #22

Republicans vote in a general election. jeff47 Mar 2012 #27

Well his district obviously disagrees with you. He has been reelected repeatedly as she has sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #29

Sorry, I decided to change my point and edited while you were responding. jeff47 Mar 2012 #30

Okay, no problem. I know Marcy Kaptur is very popular in her district. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #32

It Was The Voters Of Ohio That Were Responsible... KharmaTrain Mar 2012 #109

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but DC is always jsmirman Mar 2012 #62

Those numbers were vs Republicans. Which would seemingly make such a margin NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #20

Thanks, actually I think that it is more strange in a district that is so Democratic to have numbers sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #25

I agree with you about the verification. NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #28

I agree and I am sure even if there were errors it would not change the results. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #31

In the 2004 Democratic Presidential Primary DK only got 2.7 percent of Lucas County onenote Mar 2012 #113

see my experience in post #45 hfojvt Mar 2012 #49

90% of Democrats do not agree anywhere on anything. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #87

Obviously they can, because they just did. NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #92

Why would they even bother trying to fix a vote in DC? DCKit Mar 2012 #41

That's exactly my point: Obama, Kerry, and Gore all won over 90% with no "fixing" of the vote. NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #53

Thank you - having lived in DC for the last four years jsmirman Mar 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #46

Democrats at 90% in D.C. Yes, that is very believable. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #86

Just like this is quite believable. NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #90

You might be right, BUT tkmorris Mar 2012 #8

What a powerful, convincing argument... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #9

What was the total votes cast in the district? Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #5

Yes, I am from Toledo ellie Mar 2012 #6

But has she ever, or has anyone ever other than Saddam Hussein, won by this kind of margin before? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #13

Dennis has done even worse in Lucas County in the past onenote Mar 2012 #116

Of course. KamaAina Mar 2012 #130

Don't forget Dennis with 2.7 percent in Lucas County onenote Mar 2012 #131

You are wrong. Mumble Mar 2012 #23

It's a semi-closed primary frazzled Mar 2012 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author think Mar 2012 #10

Ya know, Brad, early on in the e-voting debate, I told everyone that, sooner or later, results... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #11

And, sadly... BradBlog Mar 2012 #35

The insiders who worked the issue hard got disabused of the Dem vs Rep nature of the problem.... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #38

Democratic candidates have consistently won 85-90% of the vote in DC in presidential elections. NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #14

Are those primary numbers? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #15

See my reply (#20) NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #21

This is DC. It makes Manhattan and Brooklyn look like Right Wing enclaves jsmirman Mar 2012 #66

East Cleveland dsc Mar 2012 #93

Republican registration is only 7% in D.C. former9thward Mar 2012 #96

I would wonder if those numbers were tallied via an unverifiable e-vote machine... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #118

Was there an exit poll? Vattel Mar 2012 #24

Without any other evidence, all this is is "big number!!!" jeff47 Mar 2012 #26

Since there is no way to verify the vote, there is no reason EFerrari Mar 2012 #33

BULLFUCKING SHIT, if you read the link it's the machines have a voter-verified paper audit trail. joshcryer Mar 2012 #34

"Dip their pinky finger in purple unwashable ink"??? BradBlog Mar 2012 #36

I have one Brad. If there is a question about the result of an election sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #37

Yes, that has happened and has been done before. Ask for a public records request. joshcryer Mar 2012 #40

Good luck with that! BradBlog Mar 2012 #56

3506.18 Electronic voting machine - verified paper audit trail as official ballot in recount. joshcryer Mar 2012 #63

"in recount" BradBlog Mar 2012 #69

If a voter verified paper audit trail is made available to the public = FOIA joshcryer Mar 2012 #72

An unsatisfying answer for ya... BradBlog Mar 2012 #55

Voter verified paper audit trails shall be preserved in the same manner and for the same time period joshcryer Mar 2012 #67

Thanks, that's what I thought. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #70

You can request an audit. Please do. But then you wouldn't get hits on your site... joshcryer Mar 2012 #39

What the hell is wrong with you, dude? And why are YOU posting false information?? BradBlog Mar 2012 #57

100% unverifiable = FALSE, dishonest joshcryer Mar 2012 #61

So you continue to defame? Really??? BradBlog Mar 2012 #71

I have already established that you are posting misinformation. Call me a liar all you want. joshcryer Mar 2012 #73

Simple Watson. Kaptur supporters knew how to read and use computers. nt bluestate10 Mar 2012 #42

and once again the uppercrust dems are arrogant jerks fascisthunter Mar 2012 #48

oh, Democrats are hacking machines now? PeaceNikki Mar 2012 #43

An audit would reveal any hacks. joshcryer Mar 2012 #44

No, it wouldn't. (Or, at least there is no guarantee of that) BradBlog Mar 2012 #59

The audit trial is considered paper ballots in the event of auditing. joshcryer Mar 2012 #65

WRONG. AGAIN. DUDE. Jesus... BradBlog Mar 2012 #74

You're the one contending that something fishy is going on, yet all your evidence is... joshcryer Mar 2012 #76

To quote the noted computer security expert David Dill-- eridani Mar 2012 #105

Why would you assume Democrats? quakerboy Mar 2012 #51

Who said Democrats -- or anyone -- is hacking the machines? BradBlog Mar 2012 #58

Your question was false, misleading, disinformation. joshcryer Mar 2012 #64

A question can be "false" and "disinformation"? Really? BradBlog Mar 2012 #75

"question about the seemingly implausible and certainly unverifiable results" joshcryer Mar 2012 #78

You may have trouble with the definition of the word "false" BradBlog Mar 2012 #99

What evidence have you provided? joshcryer Mar 2012 #102

so far it looks like you are losing this argument.. snooper2 Mar 2012 #115

I disagree. Can you expand on that? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #125

For example, notice how BradBlog hasn't responded to post #102 snooper2 Mar 2012 #126

Actually Brad has responded to almost all of joshcryer's posts most of which sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #127

I guess we have our own opinions :) snooper2 Mar 2012 #128

True, but opinions are not worth very much, yours or mine. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #136

I totally disagree. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #150

It was not false and it was not unclear. I understood what sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #77

I have spoken for myself and I have yet to be refuted. joshcryer Mar 2012 #80

No one insulted you. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #82

Yes you did. "make sure to be clear that it is YOU who does not understand what he posted" joshcryer Mar 2012 #83

It is only YOUR opinion that the 'OP is not giving correct information' and it is my sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #88

I have established that the information is wrong. It is not 100% unverifiable. joshcryer Mar 2012 #89

You have "established" nothing of the kind. But you HAVE defamed me with your misinformation. BradBlog Mar 2012 #98

There has been no audit. Why don't you go do one? joshcryer Mar 2012 #100

it's not implausible in my experience hfojvt Mar 2012 #45

Oh no... the centrist dems didn't push him out fascisthunter Mar 2012 #47

I personally think Venezuela's system is cleaner than our own. joshcryer Mar 2012 #68

Luckily, citizen oversight has nothing to do with what JoshCryer "thinks"... BradBlog Mar 2012 #79

I've yet to be convinced. See, the poll workers, in the end, are the weakest link. joshcryer Mar 2012 #81

Yes, Very Probable ISUGRADIA Mar 2012 #50

I like Kucinich as much as the next guy but I'm sick of all this conspiracy shit.... FLAprogressive Mar 2012 #54

I've totally lost all faith in both the voting and political system. Zorra Mar 2012 #84

I haven't had confidence in the integrity of the vote since 2000. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #85

I wonder how many here that are making uninformed comments have actually been to Toledo. SmellyFeet Mar 2012 #91

It might have a little bit to do with this dsc Mar 2012 #94

Well duh! We've all been here long enough to know that if my preferred candidate loses, tritsofme Mar 2012 #95

I agree with the alerter - conspiracy theory. Locking. HopeHoops Mar 2012 #97

Whatever convinced you to unlock it is, imo, peer pressure. joshcryer Mar 2012 #101

It may be verifiable, but is is never verified unless you actually do an audit eridani Mar 2012 #106

No vote is "verified" unless the vote is handled by mutual observers. joshcryer Mar 2012 #122

Utter nonsense. Lucas County has touchscreen DREs, which can never be verified. eridani Mar 2012 #132

Circles. Going in circles. VVAT = verifiable. Period. joshcryer Mar 2012 #133

You still haven't explained why we should trust the output of any proprietary software eridani Mar 2012 #137

No where did I say that. joshcryer Mar 2012 #138

Please reread post # 55 eridani Mar 2012 #142

I did not say it was unhackable. joshcryer Mar 2012 #144

Not at all. Unless you are suggesting that forensic analysis of programs is routine eridani Mar 2012 #145

Thank you: sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #135

You're entitled to your opinion, but it wasn't peer pressure - it was a careful review of the thread HopeHoops Mar 2012 #108

To get a result like this, two things needed to happen: Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #103

Issues be damned, name recognition ALONE should have been, what, 5% to 15%.... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #107

Why would name recognition matter onenote Mar 2012 #114

I'm told there are some people out there who actually don't follow issues.... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #117

Even if they didn't follow issues, anyone showing up to vote in a Democratic primary in Lucas County onenote Mar 2012 #119

Let's say 10% of primary voters voted purely on name recognition and not issues... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #120

It is sad that people just refuse to realize that outside of his district in Ohio, Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #104

This is ridiculous. Jennicut Mar 2012 #110

Part of the problem with this redistricting Nikia Mar 2012 #111

Actually, DK did better in Lucas County this year than in 2004 onenote Mar 2012 #112

Do you have a source for that? I tried in vain to find it. joshcryer Mar 2012 #121

Here you go onenote Mar 2012 #123

What do you want? A perfect recording of actual votes? Now that's plain silly! Better Believe It Mar 2012 #124

Would we be having this debate if the vote in Lucas County was 75/25 for Kaptur? onenote Mar 2012 #129

Of course not. joshcryer Mar 2012 #134

If you knew anything about Ohio politics you would know that DK is NOT beloved in any WCGreen Mar 2012 #139

Thanks. I was informed of that, and his attacks in Toledo. joshcryer Mar 2012 #141

No, unfortunately. And THAT is the real threat to election integrity. eridani Mar 2012 #151

K & R! lonestarnot Mar 2012 #140

The Shadow Government views Kucinich as a threat Ter Mar 2012 #143

are you seriously suggesting that Kucinich really defeated Kaptur? onenote Mar 2012 #146

Jesus, DK is no threat to anyone... WCGreen Mar 2012 #147

Well, those who worked with him in Congress, disagree with you. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #148

I've known DK personally since 1994 when he had his comback... WCGreen Mar 2012 #149